VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [Dr PinkCake]

[ChipLecsap]

The most unrealistic thing about this game…

…more unrealistic than Bella’s waist…

…more ridiculous than Jill’s smile…

…more nonsensical than the loan debacle…

…more frustrating than Tybalt’s blackmail…

…is that a 19 year old guy is in a sexual relationship with a girl, they both are into each other, and they are not fucking like rabbits every chance they get!

So Jill and Bella get a pass on this, because the situation with them calls for less sex, but the throuple or Sage…

In reality they’d be fucking every evening.

Who here, when they first started having sex with their girlfriend (or boyfriend, as the case may be), decided once a month was probably adequate?

I don’t mind it really, I mean the game has too much going on for there to heaps of fucking scenes with each LI, and I actually think the pacing between scenes of that nature is pretty good.

But yeah, not realistic!

. I think MC and Josy ( Best Girl ) are closer to what you want. They cleary can't keep their hand off from each others, and take every opportunity to Fuck. . Josy is like Hulk, except she is not always angry, She is Alway Horny

 

[Killerwhale5678]

Really? I think BaDIK is definitely the best "college game" on F95. It's not my favourite game overall, but I don't see any other university settings that are better. Which one is your top pick?

I'd put BADIK on the top in every category because there isn't any incest which is a really good thing for Li in the game.The majority of AVN out rely on incest to make players interested and thank DPC for avoiding that

 

[ename144]

I don't like principled defenses.

we start from the right assumption that DPC does what he wants with his game, but this does not mean in any way that his choice is the best unquestionably.

but let's not talk about art out of proportion, everything is art, but also not, every production process is full of repetitive and mechanical steps, tests and verifications where a third party look is usually just preferable (or do testers ruin the creative process too?). Michelangelo did not paint the Sistine chapel by himself inch by inch, and no one doubts neither that it is art, nor that it is his. I would say that even enough for DPC's admission it is an organizational choice (the risk of losing more time in the coordination of the work than earned by delegating part of the work) and therefore an economic one (what interest does DPC have to speed up his work? and to share his earnings? earn less for less time).
the first doubt is legitimate, even if the history of humanity says the opposite, the second is understandable but has nothing to do with art.

Sure, but the question is if a Sistine Chapel painted directly by Michelangelo himself would have been different than one painted by people under his supervision. I suspect the answer is yes, though whether it would have been better, worse or effectively the same is impossible to say. But DPC is the one calling the shots. If he thinks a collaborative BaDIK would be sufficiently different from the version he makes himself, there's no reason to doubt him and not much point in debating it. You can think he's making a mistake, obviously, but that's no different than any other artistic disagreement.

The economic question is a separate aspect. If DPC had a single patron who commissioned a massive, college-themed AVN for his 10th reunion and thus needed it done on time, DPC might have been forced to put a team together to meet the deadline. Likewise, if DPC wanted to be the head of a prestigious AVN design studio, he could have assembled a team to make AL, then expanded to make BaDIK. But DPC has a crowd-sourced funding that pays him without hard deadlines, and he seems much happier writing games himself than on managing people. So rather than forcing DPC's hand to develop the game on ways he dislikes, the economics actually encourage and enable him to take his time and do it 'right.'

Which again, doesn't mean that it's the optimum outcome from our own point of view, just that it IS a valid choice, and one we're very unlikely to be able to change.

from the end of chapter four to the end of chapter six, how much time will have passed?
I would say at least 2 weeks, in these two weeks MC will never "sleep" with Maya and Josy again.

about as believable as Sage being with Chad for months if not years without sex.

It's been about a month, though the exact timeline is nebulous now. I agree it's frustrating that the MC hasn't spent a night with Maya (much less both girls) since then. As usual, I blame the crossroads.

But I will say it's not quite as unreasonable as it may seem at first glance. The MC and Maya were still insisting they AREN'T a formal throuple yet, and more importantly they are trying to keep the relationship a secret. They should still be doing more to spend time together, but there are practical limits to how much that could happen.

This should begin to change come Season 3 if you're on their branch, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

 

[Cooling Prob]

Jill's got the Royal Family Teeth gene

 

[Casiope]

Having a team does not necessarily mean better quality or faster releases. Sometimes the team is just an excuse to justify a bigger budget to Patreon contributors. On the other hand, there is a certain tendency that when a game becomes more complex, because of its story or its features, the releases become less frequent.

These considerations lead me to accept Dr PinkCake's choice as long as the quality follows. But I understand the criticism of those who, from an accounting view, say that the creator can afford to hire developers; but he cannot be blamed for a promise he never made.

 

[AchedCroissant]

The king
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Pff this man can fuck all these girls in the same night and he wouldn't cum and he could fuck them again and he still wouldn't cum.... That's why he's the king, he would only cum if he wanted it

And he could make Arieth a virgin again if he wanted to.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Sure, but the question is if a Sistine Chapel painted directly by Michelangelo himself would have been different than one painted by people under his supervision. I suspect the answer is yes, though whether it would have been better, worse or effectively the same is impossible to say. But DPC is the one calling the shots. If he thinks a collaborative BaDIK would be sufficiently different from the version he makes himself, there's no reason to doubt him and not much point in debating it. You can think he's making a mistake, obviously, but that's no different than any other artistic disagreement.

The economic question is a separate aspect. If DPC had a single patron who commissioned a massive, college-themed AVN for his 10th reunion and thus needed it done on time, DPC might have been forced to put a team together to meet the deadline. Likewise, if DPC wanted to be the head of a prestigious AVN design studio, he could have assembled a team to make AL, then expanded to make BaDIK. But DPC has a crowd-sourced funding that pays him without hard deadlines, and he seems much happier writing games himself than on managing people. So rather than forcing DPC's hand to develop the game on ways he dislikes, the economics actually encourage and enable him to take his time and do it 'right.'

Which again, doesn't mean that it's the optimum outcome from our own point of view, just that it IS a valid choice, and one we're very unlikely to be able to change.

if Michelangelo had wanted to do it all by himself, probably we would have never seen it... and I don't see why having someone prepare the colors, mount the proofs on the vault of the chapel should have worsened the quality.

the certainty of having it versus the subjective uncertainty of quality, I would say that in the case of the sistine chapel the patreons system worked well

the economic aspect in my opinion is decisive, but in that it is difficult to disagree with DPC

It's been about a month, though the exact timeline is nebulous now. I agree it's frustrating that the MC hasn't spent a night with Maya (much less both girls) since then. As usual, I blame the crossroads.

But I will say it's not quite as unreasonable as it may seem at first glance. The MC and Maya were still insisting they AREN'T a formal throuple yet, and more importantly they are trying to keep the relationship a secret. They should still be doing more to spend time together, but there are practical limits to how much that could happen.

This should begin to change come Season 3 if you're on their branch, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

sleeping together at the end is only symbolic, the problem is that they never even talked about their relationship, that it was absolutely a new experience for everyone and they just wanted to see if it worked or not. and at the end of that month, then there is Patrick's shock therapy, they don't take any step forward, maybe some backwards. they are never 3 but always 2 in rotation...

from that moment on, the only substantial difference is the jealousy they feel for Jill and Sage, and MC's unilateral decision that they have yet to communicate, so for them the crossroad is yet to be reached.

Having a team does not necessarily mean better quality or faster releases. Sometimes the team is just an excuse to justify a bigger budget to Patreon contributors. On the other hand, there is a certain tendency that when a game becomes more complex, because of its story or its features, the releases become less frequent.

These considerations lead me to accept Dr PinkCake's choice as long as the quality follows. But I understand the criticism of those who, from an accounting view, say that the creator can afford to hire developers; but he cannot be blamed for a promise he never made.

you are describing a dysfunctional team, and that therefore must be rebuilt, but that is as good an example as a depressed author who becomes an alcoholic...

About quality, the discourse is subjective, but there is no way to argue that a team works faster than an individual, the whole history of mankind testifies to that.

then the choice of DPC we all have to accept it, and whether we share it or not doesn't matter.

 

[OFT]

from the end of chapter four to the end of chapter six, how much time will have passed?
I would say at least 2 weeks, in these two weeks MC will never "sleep" with Maya and Josy again.

about as believable as Sage being with Chad for months if not years without sex.

It's been about a month, though the exact timeline is nebulous now. I agree it's frustrating that the MC hasn't spent a night with Maya (much less both girls) since then. As usual, I blame the crossroads.

But I will say it's not quite as unreasonable as it may seem at first glance. The MC and Maya were still insisting they AREN'T a formal throuple yet, and more importantly they are trying to keep the relationship a secret. They should still be doing more to spend time together, but there are practical limits to how much that could happen.

This should begin to change come Season 3 if you're on their branch, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Six in-game days passed from the end of Episode 4 to the end of Episode 6:





The total in-game elapsed time is about 7 weeks, depending on the length of the Episode 7 time skip and the actual ending day of Episode 8. (Breakdown is here.)

 

[Lostanddamned]

Every will they/won't they romance show in western tv except Castle has folded after the season where "they" get together within two seasons

As for Jill, its pretty clear that relationship is 1. going to be totally on Jill's terms til she gets the point that you can't control every variable. 2. you're getting sex every once in a while with her, and only when she considers it meaningful.

This isn't a TV show though, it's a porn game. It's not a good idea to postpone content just because you fear that you will lose your fans. VatosGames postponed the Nora content for like 14 episodes and people already knew what to expect when a new episode dropped, until he finally gave people the scene they wanted (and it was an amazing one, probably the best on in the game by far).

I honestly didn't believe DPC would give us a Jill scene until like episode 9 or 10 and hell then I still thought that it would be like a handjob or something. But he's good at reading his fanbase I guess and he realized that people were getting tired of his shit and ridiculed him for it. As for the scene, it's not great, not terrible. Problem was that he put it in the same episode that had a lot of great scenes and it kinda got lost in the way.

 

[Darkwen]

. I think MC and Josy ( Best Girl ) are closer to what you want. They cleary can't keep their hand off from each others, and take every opportunity to Fuck. . Josy is like Hulk, except she is not always angry, She is Alway Horny
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Now I have a green Josy in my head and its kinda turning me on

 

[xinkala]

Now I have a green Josy in my head and its kinda turning me on

well don't ashamed!
I'm already hard

 

[felicemastronzo]

This isn't a TV show though, it's a porn game. It's not a good idea to postpone content just because you fear that you will lose your fans. VatosGames postponed the Nora content for like 14 episodes and people already knew what to expect when a new episode dropped, until he finally gave people the scene they wanted (and it was an amazing one, probably the best on in the game by far).

I honestly didn't believe DPC would give us a Jill scene until like episode 9 or 10 and hell then I still thought that it would be like a handjob or something. But he's good at reading his fanbase I guess and he realized that people were getting tired of his shit and ridiculed him for it. As for the scene, it's not great, not terrible. Problem was that he put it in the same episode that had a lot of great scenes and it kinda got lost in the way.

DPC has done very well

the idea that the plot should be held up by the stage-by-stage conquest of sex is really the height of laziness

first a hand job, then a blow job, then in some cases anal (especially if there is incest), and finally a shocking missionary...

 

[Coinzell]

Who here, when they first started having sex with their girlfriend...

Someone here is having sex and a girlfriend? That's a revelation.

 

[Cabin Fever]

. I think MC and Josy ( Best Girl ) are closer to what you want. They cleary can't keep their hand off from each others, and take every opportunity to Fuck. . Josy is like Hulk, except she is not always angry, She is Alway Horny
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The irony of a diminutive girl being compared to Hulk...

 

[ChipLecsap]

This isn't a TV show though, it's a porn game. It's not a good idea to postpone content just because you fear that you will lose your fans. VatosGames postponed the Nora content for like 14 episodes and people already knew what to expect when a new episode dropped, until he finally gave people the scene they wanted (and it was an amazing one, probably the best on in the game by far).

I honestly didn't believe DPC would give us a Jill scene until like episode 9 or 10 and hell then I still thought that it would be like a handjob or something. But he's good at reading his fanbase I guess and he realized that people were getting tired of his shit and ridiculed him for it. As for the scene, it's not great, not terrible. Problem was that he put it in the same episode that had a lot of great scenes and it kinda got lost in the way.

Yeah, and immediately after it , possible one of the Jill's fan, ( or maybe a Bella fan ) , asked for less lewd scene..

 

[Killerwhale5678]

Jill's got the Royal Family Teeth gene

Seems like you're too familiar with it

 

[Lostanddamned]

DPC has done very well

the idea that the plot should be held up by the stage-by-stage conquest of sex is really the height of laziness

first a hand job, then a blow job, then in some cases anal (especially if there is incest), and finally a shocking missionary...

I'm glad he didn't do it that way, it's repetitive and boring because every other dev does the same thing. Hell, even CheekyGimp who is top tier dev did the same thing with Monica. Because in their minds "We can't, but I'll give you a blowjob to help you get some relief" is good plot and logical.

Yeah, and immediately after it , possible one of the Jill's fan, ( or maybe a Bella fan ) , asked for less lewd scene..

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. If you are trying to imply that I said such thing, I'll let you know that Jill was the last route I completed because after the blackmail storyline I find her the least interesting character of them all.

But hey, if Jill's route opens the way for Bianca's route, count me in. I'm a good guy and I'll sacrifice myself for you.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I'm glad he didn't do it that way, it's repetitive and boring because every other dev does the same thing. Hell, even CheekyGimp who is top tier dev did the same thing with Monica. Because in their minds "We can't, but I'll give you a blowjob to help you get some relief" is good plot and logical.

different LIs can't go at the same speed, and that's fine

the madness is to imagine that they are all mandatory stages

for example for Sage and Bella it fits as a path (more or less fast but from stage to stage), with Jill it would not have made sense, I always argued that we would have sex with her much sooner than when she would offer us other services...

each li has its own story and timeline

 

[ChipLecsap]

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. If you are trying to imply that I said such thing, I'll let you know that Jill was the last route I completed because after the blackmail storyline I find her the least interesting character of them all.

But hey, if Jill's route opens the way for Bianca's route, count me in. I'm a good guy and I'll sacrifice myself for you.

This time I was not implying anything. I assume not every Bella fan is like you. Just like I don't considering myself to the same league as other "Josy fans" They are all heretics .

But Jokes aside, I said, may be a Bella fan, because it's interesting that this question happened right after both Jill and Bella get their sex scene, and someone immediately demanded less . What the fuck is wrong with Patreon peoples ? . another proof why its good thing DPC does not lissening to them

 

[mindern]

This isn't a TV show though, it's a porn game. It's not a good idea to postpone content just because you fear that you will lose your fans. VatosGames postponed the Nora content for like 14 episodes and people already knew what to expect when a new episode dropped, until he finally gave people the scene they wanted (and it was an amazing one, probably the best on in the game by far).

I honestly didn't believe DPC would give us a Jill scene until like episode 9 or 10 and hell then I still thought that it would be like a handjob or something. But he's good at reading his fanbase I guess and he realized that people were getting tired of his shit and ridiculed him for it. As for the scene, it's not great, not terrible. Problem was that he put it in the same episode that had a lot of great scenes and it kinda got lost in the way.

To be fair people predicted the “after the music concert” time frame like 3 episodes ago.

I don’t think what drove DPC to have the scene now was some pressure to give the people what they want it was because he wrote her arc that way. It was all deliberate. DPC said himself in the recent Q&A his policy is players play the game, game makers make the games. He claims people don’t influence his writing (that’s obviously an easy thing to say) so it’s not insane he just wrote her that way.

Besides, It’s not like the sex with Jill was out of the blue or incongruous. She went on and on about being a virgin, the three date rule… DPC was about as blatant as you can be drawing parallels between her behaviour on stage and her thoughts about sex. He sealed that deal with some extraordinarily rare inner monologue from Jill… how many girls do we actually hear the thoughts of so we know exactly where they stand?

It was the most telegraphed sex scene in the game in my opinion. He spent time setting up her stage fright and then her “bedroom fright” and the MC helping her over come one was kinda inevitably gonna lead to her overcoming the other. I think it was a deliberate choice built over 3+ episodes rather than him giving into complaints.