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Overall:
  • Molly being raped at all is questionable in retrospect
  • It being USER2 behind the rape instead of Pareidolia who's shown the same capabilities, the ability to copy others, and the actual desire to have girls raped seems unlikely
  • Pareidolia has always been more capable than it's let on (apparently bested the others in their seasons at least once, albeit the circumstances may have played a part, but the overall power levels and how they actually work, aren't exactly clear in the first place)
  • Pareidolia still has reason to keep Sensei on it's side even in it's season (He might rely on a different USER or god if given the chance otherwise, and there's no way that Pareidolia wants that)
  • USER2 is probably coming for Pareidolia's ass. Lmao.
Nevertheless, it's impossible to say for sure. We can just agree to agree it's not clear for now, as it's probably meant to be. There's no way you could convince me there's a 0% chance, tbh. At least for now. If USER2 starts having Sensei rape individuals then It'd be different, and as Maya has said:
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A few things I'd point out are:
  • I know this is your segue to question Sekai's credibility, but arguing what exactly happened to Molly isn't the point. There was divine intervention there regardless of how far gone Molly may or may not be; I merely want to think about whether it was USER2 that was behind it or not. I used her words to rule out HOPE, but whether Sekai was lying or not does not increase the odds of true culprit being Pareidolia (in fact it decreases because math)
  • I didn't assume Pareidolia has no further reason to manipulate Sensei. In fact it does; it still relies on Sensei to "learn how to feel" at the end of the day, and Sensei relies on its one-sided promise about bringing Maya back. What I actually assumed is Pareidolia has no further reason to lie about what happened to Molly if it was the one behind the scene since Pareidolia has no trouble admitting this time it's its own doing with Karin.
  • Following up the previous bullet point: Pareidolia continuing keeping Sensei on its side sounds reasonable, but doing this by lying about what happened to Molly does not. Shifting blame no longer works as soon as the same trick is pulled on Karin. If Pareidolia doesn't deny its doing with Karin then "lying about Molly so Sensei remains on its side" makes little sense.
  • Your claim "Pareidolia isn't all powerful even in his Season. It's capable and likely has been far more so than it's let on, which may have been hinted......" sounds self-contradicting. Regardless, I know and agree that Pareidolia can interfere to a certain extent even in the old chapters (whether I agree with your interpretation on Pluto Was Never Really A Planet is a different story), but the key piece that connects this shown fact to Pareidolia being the possible culprit of the Molly incident remains missing. Revealing how much it can do in other scenarios doesn't immediately equate increasing its chance of being the mastermind of a particular scenario if Pareidolia cannot be proven to be the only capable gods at the time. If today Lavender's Green didn't have USER2's name on it I'd consider the possibility of Pareidolia to a great extent with its shown tendency and whatnot, but choosing to disregard the displayed USER2 because we now assume Pareidolia was likely always pretending to be weaker than it actually was is far-fetched.
(I have to cherry pick only a few points to respond because some looks very apples to oranges with low relevancy to my question, or not really proving anything. Let me know if I misunderstood or took things out of context because of it)

But I finally can see where our divergence kicks in; you will automatically assign a certain level of possibility to every statement entities like Pareidolia and Sekai made being lies. And I tend to believe what they say until it is proven otherwise by finding out their hidden motives in the future events, or unless they are just sounding overtly non-serious or full of red flags since the beginning. You mentioned that taking their words for granted without a reason to do so brings up complications, but to me refuting their every point brings up even more complications (not from Sensei's perspective but from reader's perspective, or my own since I don't want to one-sided generalize about it).

Because what that means is that you are required to assign currently unverifiable motives along with plenty more assumptions for the hypothesized lies. Things like "Sekai/Pareidolia just wanted Sensei and us to think he did, so he'd be more willing to rape others and collect others, later", "Pareidolia is probably regretting not gaining more control over Sensei", or "Pareidolia was likely always pretending to be weaker than it actually was" are all something that is related to motives and cannot be verified. These are the good amount of assumptions you have to make in order to accommodate the off chance of them lying; meanwhile, believing what they said only needs one assumption that is "they're telling the truth regarding a particular subject". We can agree to disagree here as long as Occam's razor still sits in my head, but to be fair I realize this isn't a digenetic reason on my end so I won't press it further.
 
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Overall:
  • Molly being raped at all is questionable in retrospect
  • It being USER2 behind the rape instead of Pareidolia who's shown the same capabilities, the ability to copy others, and the actual desire to have girls raped seems unlikely
  • Pareidolia has always been more capable than it's let on (apparently bested the others in their seasons at least once, albeit the circumstances may have played a part, but the overall power levels and how they actually work, aren't exactly clear in the first place)
  • Pareidolia still has reason to keep Sensei on it's side even in it's season (He might rely on a different USER or god if given the chance otherwise, and there's no way that Pareidolia wants that)
  • USER2 is probably coming for Pareidolia's ass. Lmao.
Nevertheless, it's impossible to say for sure. We can just agree to agree it's not clear for now, as it's probably meant to be. There's no way you could convince me there's a 0% chance, tbh. At least for now. If USER2 starts having Sensei rape individuals then It'd be different, and as Maya has said:
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A mostly and probably wrong speculation about crossed lines crossed lines, but also a few questions about USER2 and Pareidolia.
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I also do not believe Molly was raped (in the penis-in-vagina sense) because she would absolutely have been feeling it when she woke up if it had happened.
I'd imagine people that believe she was raped would also believe that her virginity was restored along with her clothes. Kinda of like Makoto in Bluejay.

Now why would a god that wants a sacrifice bother restoring someone's virginity, I have no idea. And there's another thing, if she was raped that happened while Akira was disconnected from Terminal23, which I'm not even sure would count. Cause it's not like he was blacking out while doing stuff, he'd be completely out of it - which never happened before or after this.
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Also, Wires would never send a message such as the one above.
 
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Do we have any information on Io's past? Aside from that she was sexually abused?
Why did people go along with Nodoka's competition?
 

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Why did people go along with Nodoka's competition?
Because Selebus messed up. He's a great writer, but it happens. Either that, which is the most commonly accepted opinion here, or they all just don't care about Io. Which is plausible, but it's still weird - because if that was the case, they could have addressed that in some of the conversations.

Let me put it this way, let's say you are called to this secret sexual meeting once in a lifetime but hours before it happens the girl that's throwing it says some random ass bizarre shit to someone that doesn't care about anyone else in class. Would you not still go? I don't think anyone there really cares for either Nodoka or Io. They're more interested in the event itself.

Again, I'm in the team that thinks it was bad writing. But there it is.
 

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Because Selebus messed up. He's a great writer, but it happens. Either that, which is the most commonly accepted opinion here, or they all just don't care about Io. Which is plausible, but it's still weird - because if that was the case, they could have addressed that in some of the conversations.
I honestly find it hard to believe that anyone would just... ignore Nodoka revealing someone's biggest secret... I don't think even Yumi or Futaba would just go along with it...
 
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I honestly find it hard to believe that anyone would just... ignore Nodoka revealing someone's biggest secret... I don't think even Yumi or Futaba would just go along with it...
You're looking at it from the player's perspective. Nodoka didn't reveal anything - because none of them (apart from Uta) knows anything. Io doesn't talk to anyone. From their perspective, Nodoka said some random perverted crap as she always does. And in this case was slapped for it. Case closed.

I would remind you that Tsuneyo did something kind of similar during her comedy presentation as well, and in that case everyone was much more affected because she was implying that she knew. Nodoka made it very clear that she was guessing, so nothing was revealed, at most everyone considered the possibility given Io and Uta's reaction.
 

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Im playing catch up and just got to: Our Time Atop This Mattress. Even Sensei is calling this out as a trap. What are the ramifications of picking one girl over another? Rin seems like a bad homie idea, Yumi also sounds like a bad idea as she too is sort of a hommie. Ayane seems like a no lose choice. Tsubasa seems like the choice the game wants me to make... and Chinami, well I am pretty sure the game is going to turn off if I click that button like it has done many times before when I experiment with choices.
 

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I had forgotten the fact that Noriko literally drugged Akira, what the actual fuck.
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I try my best to be on your team, Noriko. But what the actual fuck. I'm livid. If I was Akira, I'd never talk to this girl again. Then again I'd never be Akira for a multitude of reasons, praise be.
 
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Im playing catch up and just got to: Our Time Atop This Mattress. Even Sensei is calling this out as a trap. What are the ramifications of picking one girl over another? Rin seems like a bad homie idea, Yumi also sounds like a bad idea as she too is sort of a hommie. Ayane seems like a no lose choice. Tsubasa seems like the choice the game wants me to make... and Chinami, well I am pretty sure the game is going to turn off if I click that button like it has done many times before when I experiment with choices.
The game won't turn off. But there is currently only one choice that leads to an event, which is Ayane's. And that's likely the only one that will turn to an event (there are future conversations regarding Yumi or Rin though).
 
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The game won't turn off. But there is currently only one choice that leads to an event, which is Ayane's. And that's likely the only one that will turn to an event (there are future conversations regarding Yumi or Rin though).
Awesome. Exactly what I needed. My fear was a need for backtracking if I missed an event. Thanks man.
 
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I had forgotten the fact that Noriko literally drugged Akira, what the actual fuck.
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I try my best to be on your team, Noriko. But what the actual fuck. I'm livid. If I was Akira, I'd never talk to this girl again. Then again I'd never be Akira for a multitude of reasons, praise be.
It was hot af tho.
You don't want to be drugged out of love by your "little sister"?


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It was hot af tho.
You don't want to be drugged out of love by your "little sister"?
I don't find hot to be drugged without consent no. I went into this convinced to give her the win, all she had to do was literally show up. Yet somehow she managed to ruin everything. As much as it pains me, Ami is completely right. Noriko's idea of love (in this particular case) is just distorted beyond belief - she had no way to know if this would harm him and did it anyway for such a stupid reason.

Like, you searched for this person your entire life, you want to dedicate your entire life for him, and your brilliant plan AFTER HE SAID FOR YOU TO STOP ACTING INSANE is to drug him to win a random competition? my god. Someone give Noriko an award for being the most stupid person alive.
 
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I don't find hot to be drugged without consent no. I went into this convinced to give her the win, all she had to do was literally show up. Yet somehow she managed to ruin everything. As much as it pains me, Ami is completely right. Noriko's idea of love (in this particular case) is just distorted beyond belief - she had no way to know if this would harm him and did it anyway for such a stupid reason.

Like, you searched for this person your entire life, you want to dedicate your entire life for him, and your brilliant plan AFTER HE SAID FOR YOU TO STOP ACTING INSANE is to drug him to win a random competition? my god. Someone give Noriko an award for being the most stupid person alive.
Complete opposite for me. It showed me that she's COMMITTED to the bit. She took Ami's victory in one fell swoop.
 

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You're looking at it from the player's perspective. Nodoka didn't reveal anything - because none of them (apart from Uta) knows anything. Io doesn't talk to anyone. From their perspective, Nodoka said some random perverted crap as she always does. And in this case was slapped for it. Case closed.

I would remind you that Tsuneyo did something kind of similar during her comedy presentation as well, and in that case everyone was much more affected because she was implying that she knew. Nodoka made it very clear that she was guessing, so nothing was revealed, at most everyone considered the possibility given Io and Uta's reaction.
Eh, I'd say it's still different. Nodoka was clearly making a guess, not a joke, and she had just finished giving off a string of eerily accurate answers that she also shouldn't have known. Everyone present seemed to be taking it seriously, even if they possibly weren't sure it was true. They just don't mention it during Nodokathon. So yeah I'd just go with bad writing.
 

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I've noticed that the girls really don't care about anyone else besides Akira and their dorm roommate. If Nodoka had done that to any other girl then Uta probably would have shown up. I'm not saying that they don't like the other girls but there's definitely a lot more distance between them then the interactions we see let on.
 
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Can I have seconds, please?
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Which event is this?


I've noticed that the girls really don't care about anyone else besides Akira and their dorm roommate. If Nodoka had done that to any other girl then Uta probably would have shown up. I'm not saying that they don't like the other girls but there's definitely a lot more distance between them then the interactions we see let on.
I was keen on dismantling this theory, but the only thing I dismantled was my hope that girls care about other girls...
 
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