Went from a 1080p monitor to a 4K monitor. Will I notice a difference in clarity or sharpness when playing Renpy games, or any others? Are some rendered at a high resolution? Or will I not notice much of a difference? What games look best in 4K?
Just got a 4K monitor, will the clarity of Renpy games (or any others) be noticeable?
- Thread starter sillygoose7
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- Mar 9, 2018
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They should.
It should look crispier and have more detail, but the thing is, the game dev has to provide a 4K version to enjoy this benefit. Sadly most games are 1080p, which results in zero difference from a 1080 monitor unless it has real-time 3D/nonprerender cutscenes.
It should look crispier and have more detail, but the thing is, the game dev has to provide a 4K version to enjoy this benefit. Sadly most games are 1080p, which results in zero difference from a 1080 monitor unless it has real-time 3D/nonprerender cutscenes.
So generally speaking, most Renpy games won't look any different on a 4K screen since they're rendered at 1080p?
- Mar 9, 2018
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Yeah, they would basically look the same as if it was on your old 1080p monitor.
Nah it will, if the render is low resolution, then it will appear worse in 4k monitor (fullscreen).
Just think like watching 480p videos on lil phone vs television.
the clarity of upscaling the 1080p to exactly 4k will now not degrade the original. meaning, watching the 1080p in fullscreen will be exacty as good as watching it on a 1080p monitor.
but if you stretch the 1080p up to anything even one pixel less it'll lose information and be worse than on a 1080p monitor.
and anything that has bigger resolution than 1080p will always fundamentally lose information because 4K isn't enough to sample bigger than 1080p image to save all the information. it's fundamentally impossible according to the laws of physics.
this is called shannon's sampling theorem, and basically it says you need at minimum a sampling resolution of 2x to even theoretically have a chance of not losing quality. in practice you still lose quality, but there's a theoretical possibility you won't.
the lesson is: in practice anything but original resolution will be lower quality. but it'll be fine. your eyes don't have the resolution to see individual pixels even on a 40" 1080p unless you sit way too close to it. uncomportably close, you can try it to see where you start seeing pixels instead of image areas.
but if you stretch the 1080p up to anything even one pixel less it'll lose information and be worse than on a 1080p monitor.
and anything that has bigger resolution than 1080p will always fundamentally lose information because 4K isn't enough to sample bigger than 1080p image to save all the information. it's fundamentally impossible according to the laws of physics.
this is called shannon's sampling theorem, and basically it says you need at minimum a sampling resolution of 2x to even theoretically have a chance of not losing quality. in practice you still lose quality, but there's a theoretical possibility you won't.
the lesson is: in practice anything but original resolution will be lower quality. but it'll be fine. your eyes don't have the resolution to see individual pixels even on a 40" 1080p unless you sit way too close to it. uncomportably close, you can try it to see where you start seeing pixels instead of image areas.
you're talking about the size of the screen, not the resolution. you are assuming that the news 4k monitor is bigger than the old 1080p monitor, while a few others in the thread are assuming the new monitor is the same inch. we don't know which is true since op has not said
shannon's sampling theorem is about analog signals, not pixels (digital). it's overkill as an explanation for something that is about one pixel not being able to become 1.1 pixels horizontally or vertically.
one pixel can be replaced with 4 pixels, (2 pixels horizontally, 2 pixels vertically, for a 4 pixel square), which is exactly the case when going from 1080p (1920x1080) to 4k (3840x2160) since it's 4 times the pixels. no information is lost so there is no reduction in quality (information-wise). but if the original was slightly bigger than 1920x1080, say 1920x1081, then each horizontal pixel can't be replaced with 2 pixels on a 4k monitor and there will be distortion.