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A indicates all the relevant contacts are USA based and it's also lists it as USA based, so I would guess it a USA based company and subject to USA laws.
Yeah. It's San Francisco. When it comes to porn I wish they were russians or japanese:/
 
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I'm not from the US, so I'm asking: Is there any other content apart from child pornography which is classed as an offense under US law? Because the representation of incest relationships among adults in fiction should not be a problem unless things are much much worse than I thought.
 
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I'm not from the US, so I'm asking: Is there any other content apart from child pornography which is classed as an offense under US law? Because the representation of incest relationships among adults in fiction should not be a problem unless things are much much worse than I thought.
Beastality basically.
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So incest games are now prohibited on Patreon? damn lol
No they are not. As long as the sex is consensual then incest is ok on Patreon.

From the ToS of Patreon.
"We also do not allow other fringe sexual fetish content, such as incest, necrophilia, or fetish content that is hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex."
 
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No they are not.

From the ToS of Patreon.
"We also do not allow other fringe sexual fetish content, such as incest, necrophilia, or fetish content that is hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex."
non-consensual

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Yep, could be, something I wasn't aware of.
On my end, they let me download 1GB without logging in... and 3 or 5 while being logged in. Not sure about 3 or 5 though, gotta check. I've also seen there is a button called Reload which deletes your cache from their servers and you can download more after. I suspect there's also a fast network/internet requirement... if you have low speed they don't let you download so much because you keep their server/s occupied. Don't know but I never had problems with Mega... always download speeds are 10-12 MB/s.
Google Drive on the other hand is awesome, can download with almost my maximum bandwidth speed of 34 MB/s... speed is between 25-30.
My advice is to also use your dynamic IP, if you have it... reset your internet device to get new IP and can download more but only files that have 1GB size or what limit you have if you don't want to make a free account.
 

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No they are not. As long as the sex is consensual then incest is ok on Patreon.

From the ToS of Patreon.
"We also do not allow other fringe sexual fetish content, such as incest, necrophilia, or fetish content that is hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex."
What you posted literally says incest is not allowed. The non-consensual part is another thing that is not allowed.
 

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What you posted literally says incest is not allowed. The non-consensual part is another thing that is not allowed.
You have to take the whole sentence to understand.
None consensual sex of any kind is not allowed but consensual sex of any kind is allowed.
 

thestickman

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You have to take the whole sentence to understand.
None consensual sex of any kind is not allowed but consensual sex of any kind is allowed.
That's not what it is saying. It is saying that ALL of the following are prohibited:
- Incest
- Necrophilia
- Fetish content that is hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex

The non-consensual part is a separate item on the list. All three of those are not allowed. It even goes on to specify in the next paragraph that some incest is allowed in certain contexts and cites examples like Game of Thrones. Which means that incest on the whole, especially in the context of games like DmD, is not allowed.
 

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That's not what it is saying. It is saying that ALL of the following are prohibited:
- Incest
- Necrophilia
- Fetish content that is hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex

The non-consensual part is a separate item on the list. All three of those are not allowed. It even goes on to specify in the next paragraph that some incest is allowed in certain contexts and cites examples like Game of Throens. Which means that incest on the whole is not allowed.
I am sorry you do not see it and you are trying to break the sentence in to 2 parts and it is not.
The sentence stands as a whole and not 2 or more parts.

The last part of the sentence "hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex."" is for the whole sentence and not just the end.
 

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In that case I'm pretty sure you're overthinking it. It's kinda obviously about incest per se and other fetishes.
 

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That's not what it is saying. It is saying that ALL of the following are prohibited:
- Incest
- Necrophilia
- Fetish content that is hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex

The non-consensual part is a separate item on the list. All three of those are not allowed. It even goes on to specify in the next paragraph that some incest is allowed in certain contexts and cites examples like Game of Thrones. Which means that incest on the whole, especially in the context of games like DmD, is not allowed.
Sorry but you are breaking it in two parts, it is a single sentence the "that is" part signifies that the incest and other genres are prohibited only when they are non-consensual.
 

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From a legal stand point this could honestly been seen as a loop hole as it can easily be misunderstood.
As far as im reading it you can really take the sentence both ways.
 

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You have to take the whole sentence to understand.
None consensual sex of any kind is not allowed but consensual sex of any kind is allowed.
MC's sex with his sleeping sister in SS was non-consensual.
 

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No they are not. As long as the sex is consensual then incest is ok on Patreon.

From the ToS of Patreon.
"We also do not allow other fringe sexual fetish content, such as incest, necrophilia, or fetish content that is hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex."
I've seen a few people mentioning this part now, so I just want to point out the placement of the comma and the or.
In my mind, the , or separates fetish content from the other two, and the hard to distinguish part is only applying to fetish content. In my mind incest and necrophilia are just out either way. Other fetish content will be decided on in a case by case basis. Others may read that differently, but that's how I read it.

This makes sense to me, as some fetish content can be adult but doesn't involve sex, or involves consensual sex. Fetishes can include foot fetishes, dress up/cosplay fetishes, and a whole bunch of other things. In this case, they are probably referring to bondage fetishes, which can sometimes be hard to distinguish...

In either case, in the guidelines update Patreon mentioned a huge loophole by allowing 'works of fiction' such as Lolita and Game of Thrones. Since most porn games are works of fiction anyways, yeah I think you have an out there. Whether the Trust and Safety team sees it that way will likely be very subjective, so best of luck to those who get caught in this dragnet.
 
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Mark600601

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So anyway
I havent been paying attention to this game in a while (not since 0.11) and with everything behind a paywall on his patreon now Im not sure what all is going on lol.
Whats this I hear about different chapters?
And what exactly does that entail
(Im still interested in this game I just needed a break from it)
 
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