VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

Ayhsel said:

I understand your feelings. To be fair though, we are all a bit hypocritical in those scenarios But I do agree that choosing an outfit should not translated to cheating or not cheating. Give me the choice in both scenarios or don't give me a choice in either.

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Eh, in games I rarely cheat if the MC is in an established relationship. I only do that if I am playing a "Man-bear-pig-slut" playthrough. In this game I turned everyone down until Miru left the campsite. By that point she'd given her ex a bj because I chose the wrong outfit. Other than that she didn't cheat. I just didn't like that she wasn't conflicted about it at all and didn't say anything about it to the MC. As if she thought oral wasn't cheating.

Anyway, with the rework perhaps he will add in a hint system so that we don't make decisions that lead to cheating without being aware of it. I'm fine with characters fucking other characters when I know why it happened and how I triggered it. Most of the stuff prior to that was fairly obvious.

Is it really possible to impregnate Zoey in the darkstar route? I keep restarting the scene and it never happens.

fallenkos said:

Is it really possible to impregnate Zoey in the darkstar route? I keep restarting the scene and it never happens.

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There's a 50% chance for it.

what this game need is a Walktrough mod
Great game btw

Oldboyy said:

oh, that sucks. Anyway I have a question regarding the Darkstar route. Does that route include the love route with katie or is it just sex encounter with the girls at the camp (no string attached). pardon the english

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I am honestly not sure I would have to play it again later or tomorrow and get back to you on that, I do have multiple "routes" So ill give em all a try and see what comes out of it, Hope I do not forgot. But pretty sure it get's you to do some sexual stuff with the characters with little in terms of anything being attached, I do think what and how you threat Katie during any interaction at the camp does stay in effect after leaving the camp though. But I will have to test it out to be sure.

Avaron1974 said:

Apart from Katie, none of the other girls show any sign of willingness to share. The other sister flat out tells you she won't share. Miru gets really pissy if you cheat and i'm 100% sure Dana would leave if you managed to get with her and cheated.

Pretty safe bet to say no, there is no harem route.

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Not sure there is a Harem route but it does seem that there is an option of having multiple girls so technically still a Harem but just not in the way that you get all the girls, depending on how you play you could go a swinging route with Miru or at least sharing so that option is available or at least hinted to be available in current build 0.5 lower, not sure about the rework.
As for the Sisters there is def implanted that you can make them make peace and have them accept each other,just that has to go slowly so that the older one doesn't end up shanking the younger one. But from the looks of 0.6 it seems that the older sister definitely does listen to her twin brother in fear of losing him.

Ayhsel said:

This is me quoting myself (what a douche, right? I don't wanna write the same lines again) from a post about NTR in Love and Submission

Having said that Miru's personality was implied to be kind of the cheater from the beginning though.

I understand your feelings. To be fair though, we are all a bit hypocritical in those scenarios But I do agree that choosing an outfit should not translated to cheating or not cheating. Give me the choice in both scenarios or don't give me a choice in either. Or at least hint that choosing a sexy outfit makes Miru's uncontrollably horny or some crap like that. Some comment so that her cheating does not feel out of the blue.

Given what we know I would also include Zoey, Gina, Scarlet and Emilie. But I mean not a full open harem in which they all get together but characters that would accept being in a sexual relationship with the MC even if they knew he had other partners (not necessarily that other partner being aware, though).

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Oh dude I have quoted myself a few times before too for many reasons, including people trying to twist my words so no worries. But yeah I understand and I am of the same opinion that if something doesn't make sense with writing it just annoys me, sadly this happens 95% of the time in so called NTR games then in the non NTR ones, Games where you cannot have all the girls seems to do pretty good on writing. And those without magic and what not who manage to balance things out also do well but it is in these games that it suffers when you get the " forced harems " I dislike those too but they don't happen often enough for me to care about it, mainly because those games are sandbox based and I don't play much of those ( now and again I do but most of the time I stay clear of em ).

As for Miru, I don't exactly got the feel from the get go she would cheat, she seemed like someone with a super high libido and horny as fk, And sure she lacks filter but that was fine because it made it seem like even though she sounded insensitive she was being honest about her experiences, which got thrown out the window the moment she gone for the modeling gig and dropping to her knees depending on the outfit. And depending on how she was treated she does not kiss her ex and if you choose the cute outfit and all that she does depending on choice push the ex away thinking about mc, THAT made sense. However that should also have been the same for if you chose the sexier lingerie had that stayed that way it would have made quite a bit more sense. I have nothing against Miru, I do like her I just don't like how he handled some of the things about her, which in turn made people hate her for it, Miru is otherwise well written and likable the problem is she has so much competition from otherwise a bunch of good looking goddesses that she seems basic, however I am of the opinion for example looking at Dana, She is hot as fk good looking and well legit, however she has zero experience in terms of intercourse and what not which makes her quite basic in that field.Nothing wrong with that but Miru makes up for the lack of her looks ( which in my opinion is not bad at all ) by being a beast in bed and crazy and fact she down to try new things. Your twin being hot as hell seems like a manipulating bitch but turns out she is actually soft on the inside and afraid of losing the MC and she he technically has power over her, Katie seemed like a mean outright bitch but was internally and emotionally damaged from all the shit she had gone through and was afraid of that happening again but showed that when it was going to be different this time that she was pretty much down to try anything albeit slowly and seems the type that is a swap between a dom and a sub depending on the situation.

I am going to prob have to rethink the characters and their personalities on the full rework but that is fine.

headhunter32 said:

what this game need is a Walktrough mod
Great game btw

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I fully agree with this, but I hope that whoever want to do that will wait for the full rework before doing it as with what we currently have would be a complete and utter waste of time. But it does seem to definitely need a Walkthrough or guide based on the routes and kinks each individual character are going to have.

Goldgear613 said:

I fully agree with this, but I hope that whoever want to do that will wait for the full rework before doing it as with what we currently have would be a complete and utter waste of time. But it does seem to definitely need a Walkthrough or guide based on the routes and kinks each individual character are going to have.

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What I really want in a walkthrough mod is the ability to choose a LI and have it only highlight the choices for them. Too many focus on trying to fuck every LI but if there are consequences to those actions it would be nice to not have a walkthrough mod highlight them for players.

I am really excited for the rework but that's going to be a long wait.

Numn9112007 said:

Not sure there is a Harem route but it does seem that there is an option of having multiple girls so technically still a Harem but just not in the way that you get all the girls, depending on how you play you could go a swinging route with Miru or at least sharing so that option is available or at least hinted to be available in current build 0.5 lower, not sure about the rework.
As for the Sisters there is def implanted that you can make them make peace and have them accept each other,just that has to go slowly so that the older one doesn't end up shanking the younger one. But from the looks of 0.6 it seems that the older sister definitely does listen to her twin brother in fear of losing him.

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I'm very sure there will be a couple of sharing groups but I know at least 2 girls that won't share. Dana is looking for a proper relationship as is Leia.

I think everyone else could be fair game. Katie seems more open than most and I think Zo would be on board with group stuff and will probably bring her large breasted friend along for the funs.

Miru I can't get a read on whether she'd be up for it or not. Character wise she'd probably be open for swinging I guess but I doubt she'd let him have all the fun.

I think that with coffee shop girl who's name I forget was setting the scene for future swinging between MC and Miru with her and her partner.

the update will be soon right?

shaf3i said:

the update will be soon right?

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It's only just been updated.

Next one is a long way off.

Oldboyy said:

oh, that sucks. Anyway I have a question regarding the Darkstar route. Does that route include the love route with katie or is it just sex encounter with the girls at the camp (no string attached). pardon the english

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You can enter the Darkstar route and still join the Katie love route later.

But, there is not a single route in this game that has no strings attached.

Numn9112007 said:

I don't understand this update. It will not advance past .5 update. No matter what I do. I deleted everything. Downloaded it again. Played all the way through again and it still does not move to chapter 6. What's the damn deal? There is not incest mod or anything on it either. Literally just downloaded from this site and played through. Seems to be lots of people with the same problem with no answer.

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The only answer I have is that a guy posted a "Fix for a third-party patch" and this fix didn't have the full update in it.
It even got pinned to the OP for several hours until the error got noticed.
This third-party patch was buggy and did send users to the main menu.

Nobody I personally know can replicate this error at the moment. I am still keeping my eyes open.



About Harems

You can be sure that there will never be a full-out Harem route in any of my story-focused games.

From my point of view, a harem often destroys a lot of character build-up. (I am talking about story-focused games).
Imagine a girl like Leia suddenly accepting to share you with anyone else.
That's way out of character.

All depth, all her desires are gone. Now she's just here to pleasure the player.


What my games will have are mini-harems/triangles etc.

Certain girls will accept to share you with other certain girls. (If you made the right choices)
And there are also girls that don't want to share you at all. (Just like you probably don't want to share her.)



And about Miru NTR

It's kinda pointless to discuss the old Miru NTR. I cringe when I see those scenes.
Back then I made the mistake of thinking I had to give the players something.. And sadly, Miru was the victim.

The rework will have a completely rewritten Miru, a girl that actually can be called a girlfriend but she will keep her craziness.
That's either your thing or it isn't.

0.6 gave you a preview of the new Miru. A girl that might be a little weird here and there but would go through hell with you.

bottomfeeder said:

Anyone know the details of the 0.6 full release? I searched the thread and nothing pops up

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In a few days.
The bonus scene has 8+ animations. That takes some time.

Avaron1974 said:

It's only just been updated.

Next one is a long way off.

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I know but the dev said this is a beta version I thought that the complete version will be soon

MrFriendly said:

What I really want in a walkthrough mod is the ability to choose a LI and have it only highlight the choices for them. Too many focus on trying to fuck every LI but if there are consequences to those actions it would be nice to not have a walkthrough mod highlight them for players.

I am really excited for the rework but that's going to be a long wait.

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I want it to tweak some of the random generated stuff that makes no sense. I get the rng when it comes to pregnancy, but there's many other luck of the draw situation in the game that doesn't makes much sense, and it's there because of Ocean's own preference to make things random.

TL8ez said:

I want it to tweak some of the random generated stuff that makes no sense. I get the rng when it comes to pregnancy, but there's many other luck of the draw situation in the game that doesn't makes much sense, and it's there because of Ocean's own preference to make things random.

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At least during the camping scene you could go random or pick someone specific. That was a nice change.

MrFriendly said:

At least during the camping scene you could go random or pick someone specific. That was a nice change.

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That must be something new to 0.6 beta. I was among the few who could use their previous save, so I didn't have to go through those scenes again, therefore I missed if there was a change to that.

headhunter32 said:

what this game need is a Walktrough mod
Great game btw

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Goldgear613 said:

I fully agree with this, but I hope that whoever want to do that will wait for the full rework before doing it as with what we currently have would be a complete and utter waste of time. But it does seem to definitely need a Walkthrough or guide based on the routes and kinks each individual character are going to have.

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MrFriendly said:

What I really want in a walkthrough mod is the ability to choose a LI and have it only highlight the choices for them. Too many focus on trying to fuck every LI but if there are consequences to those actions it would be nice to not have a walkthrough mod highlight them for players.

I am really excited for the rework but that's going to be a long wait.

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For game such as this that I am very interested in story I dislike using walkthrough on my first play. On that one I just try to be most into character as possible. I mean I do that in pretty much everygame, but the focus is different. Having said that, a walkthrough mod would be a nice thing to have.

However, it's gonna be a lot of work. I don't know about coding but the current version of this game is extremely nonlinear. My guess is that walkthrough mod requires to understand the paths so that you can highlight the correct options. And even with the rework (or potentially even more with the rework) to be able to do it part by part with each update is gonna render an impossible job, cause you may not know which variables are important. So you might need to wait for the 33 chapters to be released.

Sounds like we should not be counting on one anytime soon even after the rework.

Oceanlab said:

You can enter the Darkstar route and still join the Katie love route later.

But, there is not a single route in this game that has no strings attached.



The only answer I have is that a guy posted a "Fix for a third-party patch" and this fix didn't have the full update in it.
It even got pinned to the OP for several hours until the error got noticed.
This third-party patch was buggy and did send users to the main menu.

Nobody I personally know can replicate this error at the moment. I am still keeping my eyes open.



About Harems

You can be sure that there will never be a full-out Harem route in any of my story-focused games.

From my point of view, a harem often destroys a lot of character build-up. (I am talking about story-focused games).
Imagine a girl like Leia suddenly accepting to share you with anyone else.
That's way out of character.

All depth, all her desires are gone. Now she's just here to pleasure the player.


What my games will have are mini-harems/triangles etc.

Certain girls will accept to share you with other certain girls. (If you made the right choices)
And there are also girls that don't want to share you at all. (Just like you probably don't want to share her.)



And about Miru NTR

It's kinda pointless to discuss the old Miru NTR. I cringe when I see those scenes.
Back then I made the mistake of thinking I had to give the players something.. And sadly, Miru was the victim.

The rework will have a completely rewritten Miru, a girl that actually can be called a girlfriend but she will keep her craziness.
That's either your thing or it isn't.

0.6 gave you a preview of the new Miru. A girl that might be a little weird here and there but would go through hell with you.




In a few days.
The bonus scene has 8+ animations. That takes some time.

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This pretty much game all the perfect answers I wanted to hear (well, read, cause you know, duh)

Ayhsel said:

For game such as this that I am very interested in story I dislike using walkthrough on my first play. On that one I just try to be most into character as possible. I mean I do that in pretty much everygame, but the focus is different. Having said that, a walkthrough mod would be a nice thing to have.

However, it's gonna be a lot of work. I don't know about coding but the current version of this game is extremely nonlinear. My guess is that walkthrough mod requires to understand the paths so that you can highlight the correct options. And even with the rework (or potentially even more with the rework) to be able to do it part by part with each update is gonna render an impossible job, cause you may not know which variables are important. So you might need to wait for the 33 chapters to be released.

Sounds like we should not be counting on one anytime soon even after the rework.



This pretty much game all the perfect answers I wanted to hear (well, read, cause you know, duh)

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Yeah, I played through without a walkthrough in the NTR off and on versions. Which is why I was annoyed that a simple choice of clothing was enough to make Miku suck her exes dick. I didn't expect that at all. LOL

We shall see what comes when we finally get the rework. Perhaps I will actually like the bitch. Right now I want to be able to leave her at home or break up with her as soon as the game starts. Her personality is grating.

TL8ez said:

That must be something new to 0.6 beta. I was among the few who could use their previous save, so I didn't have to go through those scenes again, therefore I missed if there was a change to that.

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It is, I went throught via the magic of the skip button even though I had a save. There were some changes prior to that scene iirc

How much content is there in the game? Is it enough to start playing or should I wait for more updates? :/

Ayhsel said:

For game such as this that I am very interested in story I dislike using walkthrough on my first play. On that one I just try to be most into character as possible. I mean I do that in pretty much everygame, but the focus is different. Having said that, a walkthrough mod would be a nice thing to have.

However, it's gonna be a lot of work. I don't know about coding but the current version of this game is extremely nonlinear. My guess is that walkthrough mod requires to understand the paths so that you can highlight the correct options. And even with the rework (or potentially even more with the rework) to be able to do it part by part with each update is gonna render an impossible job, cause you may not know which variables are important. So you might need to wait for the 33 chapters to be released.

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I agree with this too but I also do agree the walkthrough needs to be there still, who decides to use it or not is up to them. I do go for blind playthroughs myself without the need of a walkthrough when invested in a game. As I do different routes on my own based on the choices I make. But after a certain point depending on how many things will be added a walkthrough would be much appreciated. For example, 33 Chapters and if save breaks or new stuff gets added where save comparability is compromised and having to start over it would help. Again I personally don't use it unless I have to fully start over and trying to replicate what I made before if changes were made. On the new rework update I wont be using one if it get's released.
I like figuring stuff out on my own.

lolplayer123 said:

How much content is there in the game? Is it enough to start playing or should I wait for more updates? :/

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There is quite a bit however right now it is a mix of rework and old work so it can get a bit confusing at a certain point. I suggest if you want the full experience then wait for the full rework update and if not then download 0.5 and not touch 0.6 as that is the rework. That way you can see at least what the game is about and or in a way see how much the game has changed when the rework happens. My suggestion if you never have played this and want to not be confused is wait for the rework.

Well I don't know what I did different but I got the chapter 6 to work. I just deleted everything again. All folders even the one in the reply folder under users. Unzipped again , played through and it worked. Didn't make since cause its the same exact thing I did before. But o well it works now. Chapter 6 looks great. The girls facial updates look great.