Seeking 10/10 games like being a dik, treasure of nadia

Pretentious Goblin

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What is that program that makes those 3d models? Can't play any game like that cause they all look the same and unnatural/unattractive to me :(
It's Honey Select (2?). I'm not normally a huge fan of it either because of the "sterile" look and the bodies tending to look very similar, but I found it decent in this game, especially with almost everything being animated.
 
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Isnt that the game where you are actually forced to prostitue one of the main girls? I dont think thats in the same sprite as the ones the OP mentioned if it is.
MC passes around Gloria to degrade her, though it's not NTR or even netorase since they're not an item.
 

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Episode 9 of Being A Dik is almost complete, it's supposed to come out this month or the next.
Holly shit! Guess i should get my shit together and prepare myself to dive into that one then! It's been years since I played Acting Lessons, I was pretty damn impressed by the character writing at the time. And held off on this one being complete to experience it from start to finish. This might be the most excited I have been for a 3Dcg vn since that time. Thanks for letting me know!
 
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I've been looking for 10/10 games like being a dik and treasure of nadia. Good story and animations
My recommendations:
Midnight Paradise
College Kings
Milfy City
Lust Epidemic
College Kings and Midnight Paradise are trash. Definitely not close to 10/10 games.
Really hard to find adult games that are the total package in terms of good writing, renders, lewds, and sound. Being a DIK is definitely top tier, and I'd put City of Broken Dreamers up there too, though the writing isn't great.
Most AVNs are good and one thing and not so much at others. Flirty F, and Solvalley School have great lewds but that's about it. Harem Hotel has solid writing and characters but lewds are boring. Dreams of Desire is gorgeous, but MC is a super creepy perv. Photo Hunt and Mystwood Manor have some very nice scenes, but the sandbox grind to get them sucks balls.
I's say recently done games, Once in a Lifetime, After the Inferno, and Myst, are good all-around games and rate highly. (y)
 

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I's say recently done games, Once in a Lifetime, After the Inferno, and Myst, are good all-around games and rate highly. (y)
Guess my standards are either too different or not compatible with what is considered great here. Because honestly...
Looking at these Models from "Mist" gives me goosebumps, and not at all in a good way. The same with those eyes in "After the Inferno". I mean, I commend the dev trying to do something with the models, but those large irises look just strange and creepy to me. Not to even talking about how even a new game like that uses models I saw in games at least four years ago, if not longer. Are there really not some other ways to differentiate these models by now?

But I also want to be trying to be fair. "Mist" and "After the Inferno" seem at least interesting in their settings, even if the latter gives me some Witcher vibes with that shot. Which brings me to "Once in a Lifetime" and I have got to say i do like the look (and yup i'm only talking about optics here, call me a hypocrite for graphics whoring for once :p) the best out of all the recently finished games you named.

Really hard to find adult games that are the total package in terms of good writing, renders, lewds, and sound.
I guess those are the problems of that shitty early access / pateron / subscribe star funding model. Most games seem to get abandoned long before they get ever finished, or drawn out to the point of getting worse and worse every update. Which was an issue even the last time I tried to delve into some of these western made vns...

Honest question was there ever something similarly cool created like "Depraved Awakening"? You were still mentioning "Dreams of Desire" which makes me raise my eyebrow, because that thing should be pretty old by now, right? if it got a "Definitive Edition" should not matter. "Acting Lessons", "Depraved Awakening", "Melody" all seemed to have come out very close to each other. Pretty much anything else I did try was either unfinished like "Being a Dik" or "City of Broken Dreamers" or mediocre and sometimes even downright shit.

Edit: Guess I can add some more to the list. "Daughter For Desert" and is "Double Homework" finished by now? I also found two in dev ones which always looked pretty cool those being "Harem Hotel" and "Mythic Manor" but that is usually why I do not want to get in dev things recommended, these still not being finished is kinda depressing...
 
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Mythic Manor" but that is usually why I do not want to get in dev things recommended, these still not being finished is kinda depressing...
It's Mystwood Manor, and it's complete. Second game from Faerin, same Dev who did Man of the House. Like that game, it has some very nice scenes, but they take a long time to unlock because of the sandbox management system. I get that some people only like photo realistic Daz3D, but I enjoy different art styles, as long as the story is good.
Sound matters to me more than animations, which is why I'd rate Melody much higher than Sisterly Lust, as that Dev couldn't even be bothered with any audio at all.
I agree that the better AVNs to finish, have been finished for a while, and the rest seem to be in Dev forever.
Mostly, I think anyone looking for 10/10 porn games, is setting themselves up for disappointment, as generally speaking, the most talented content creators, are not making porn. ;)
Better to set your sights a little lower and appreciate each game for what it has to offer. Providing it's worth playing. There is an ever-growing mountain of crap AVNs that are not worth the time at all.
 

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It's Mystwood Manor, and it's complete. Second game from Faerin, same Dev who did Man of the House. Like that game, it has some very nice scenes, but they take a long time to unlock because of the sandbox management system.
Nah, sorry, you confused this with that. ;) I mean, it's not much of a mystery how that happened, those names are pretty similar after all, so yeah... I did copy the name from an unfinished 3dcg text doc I made years ago and went over today directly, so it could hardly be that much of a brain fart. :D

I get that some people only like photo realistic Daz3D, but I enjoy different art styles, as long as the story is good.
I tell you, I'm usually the first dude to call what I did with my last post out with any normal game, beacuse gameplay mechanics exists in those and these are king. But it's after all pretty much the most prominent factor in these western made vns. So I can hardly shake the feeling if I see the same three recycled models for half a decade now that this is not a quality product. And I know you should not do that, but storytelling and these renders is all these have. It's pretty much that and Honey Select as a style. Bar some cool exceptions with drawn art like Uni. So yeah, forgive me for being that focussed on the only thing I can tell and differentiate the quality of western made vns apart.

I kinda wish there was more to it. But if I had to be perfectly honest. Even games here, I liked "Acting Lessons", "Melody" and "Depraved Awakening." I would hardly call a 10 / 10 game. There is way too much missing... And I'm fully aware how jaded I do sound, and forgive me for going on a tangent. But usually if you took a break from a medium for a few years and come back, you find a treasure trove of completed media to sift through and enjoy.

And looking at this list today made me more sour than I should've been. I can even admit I found cool stuff I was surprised about was done still. But scams and wank like Ecchi Sensei and other devs in this scene doing the same thing still drag my mood down, and going through that thread only a bit ago (which had many games I followed about three years ago in it too, btw.) Finding many of these abandoned didn't help my mood, getting more positive.


Sound matters to me more than animations, which is why I'd rate Melody much higher than Sisterly Lust, as that Dev couldn't even be bothered with any audio at all.
Yup, welcome to the club on that one! I come from japanese vns looking into this scene the second time now and not only do I find pretty much dead games from a voice-acting, sound and music standpoint, but also stuff like "Echoes of Lust" (or "Lust Theory") now, apparently. As one of the highest rated games on the site. And while I'm not going to say that was complete shit, the game part and the time-loop set up were wasted and structured solely to drag the playtime out in S1 so utterly to the point where I had to force myself to even finish it to be able to rate it on my vndb profile...

All around, I can not shake the feeling the audience here overvalues porn and pretty renders over everything else, including storytelling. Which might sound ironic in that context now. But believe me if all of these games were finished I wouldn't do such blanket judgments and quickly try to cut down the selection of what to even pay attention to let alone play myself. And of course I would look deeper into them. But this is pretty much digging for pearls in a trash-heap here, to be perfectly frank for a sec.

I agree that the better AVNs to finish, have been finished for a while, and the rest seem to be in Dev forever.
Mostly, I think anyone looking for 10/10 porn games, is setting themselves up for disappointment, as generally speaking, the most talented content creators, are not making porn. ;)
Funny you would make that argument in a time when "Batwomen" or "Rings of Power" exist... :sneaky: But jokes aside I don't think that is wrong per se, but this is also a problem of focussing far too narrowly down on only western indie devs, which at the end of the day are amateurs. Not going to argue every japanese vn is a masterpiece or written brilliantly, but there is so much way better stuff out there and even here on the site, ironically enough! You are doing yourself a disservice to just look at english language games, hell media as a whole really.

Better to set your sights a little lower and appreciate each game for what it has to offer.
Here I fundamentally disagree, sorry to say that. If you "only appreciate what's currently on offer" you will never get anything better than that "current thing", once again talking about current year Hollywood or any western entertainment really... Expanding your horizons and trying out shit you might not expect to be your thing or even going back and watching decades old stuff is the only way to keep perspective, imo.

Providing it's worth playing. There is an ever-growing mountain of crap AVNs that are not worth the time at all.
Yup, like in any media, so nothing new in the west after all, right? :)
 
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That was going way too far overboard with the offtopic rambling. I try to bring it back on topic.
But this time i'm going full on recommending "weeb stuff", so that might not be the most popular thing to do here. But frankly, I still did not find anything close here to a work like Muv Luv Alternative. Which imo is one of the best written science fiction works on the visual novel market. The detriment it has, there is a whole game, which is mediocre to set all the character backstories and do the heavy lifting introducing the cast and that is about half as long as Alternative itself, the original Muv Luv. So similar to things you usually hear a Trek fan or Stargate nerds talk about some "rough early seasons", this is very comparable to it. The og game is not sci-fi however until the end when it switches gears setting up the world Alternative will continue to play out in.

But I can not rage hard enough against anyone trying to tell you to "just skip" the og game and only play Alternative! Do not do that! At most, you can skip some routes if you really can not stand it, but you should not skip the whole thing! If you do, you will lessen the weight and impact, Alternative has way too much to be worth saving time like that. That game relies entirely on the connection and attachment to the characters you got from playing the prequel, like every well written follow-up story should do.


The next one I recommend I'm not quite onboard with calling a "Masterpiece", but it's still incredibly well done. And a style of writing, which even in japanese vns is not seen that often. Full Metal Daemon Muramasa is the name of it. It's placed in an alt History 20th Century Japanese setting, which uses its characters to give each and every one of them philosophical ideals to be rooted in. The entire story hinges on this approach and weaves its narrative around it. There is not much else like this on the english speaking market.


The next one is a classic I wanted to mention, even if it might not be as "accessible" to a general readership. Both Fate/ Stay Night and the semi-sequel Fate/Hollow Ataraxia are still pretty damn great even to this day. The basic idea it's a world where magic and science combined, but otherwise it's similar to modern day japan (as in early 2000) aside from that twist to it. Ancient Magicians created a ritual called "The Holy Grail War" in which prominent figures of History and Mythical Legends serve as familiars to the participants fighting in a death match. The last man standing gets the "Holy Grail" to grant his wish. This being Japan, of course the cast consists of late teens and young adults. That's just the hurdle you have to get over. Most Japanese media put their target audience age demographic on screen to do their storytelling with. :p


I close my recommendations on something funny and upbeat. So the Last one Majikoi! Love Me Seriously! This is one of the funniest vns I know of. It's a student school setting, but the twist is the world is basically Dragon Ball Z and so the School is centered around Martial Arts fighting. And instead of Goku we have the chicks you get to bang being the strongest in the setting. However, the writing is very mature and adult, there are both sex jokes and fucking very frequently in this game. They do some pretty edgy humor at times. It's just amazing to watch all of this unfold! You get the impression of the setting being alive, and there is a real friendship and group dynamic going on with the cast as well. This is not just the usual Dating Sim fare, where you have the feeling the world is suddenly dying around you once you pick the chick you want to play the route of.

The sequel Majikoi S does some things differently and introduces stronger male fighters as well. But I want to stay on the first game mainly, because S is mostly just fan service and porn, a collection of side characters and sex with them and very little story. It has way "more content" as in doubling the routes, but it also about halves their length, resulting in routes lasting maybe 3 to 5 hours at best very frequently. The main cast from the first game gets sidelined pretty hard too. So to me, it's far worse than the original game.

One final thing which is imo not ideal is the translation. Both the and the newly commissioned and released one at the end of 2020 from publisher JAST USA which the links here in the forum point to do have problems. And while the fan translation being inconsistent can be explained away by different teams completing different routes over many years separately from each other. The changes in character the official translation did, is imo just not true to their personalities anymore. Especially the protagonist got changed so much, he doesn't even speak like he belongs to this group of friends anymore - despite having grown up with them! Frankly, I would not read the JAST version. (and I tried my best with it as it came out) Furthermore, Majikoi S as well as the Majikoi A FanDisc only have fan translations done by the same group, called "Maji Translations", so it makes more sense to read their version if you continue on with more Majikoi anyway. Nicknames, the way they talk with each other, honorifics, it's pretty much a consistency thing across the board. ;)


Ok...that was about all I wanted to suggest. I do hope these recommendations were helpful to some! And that I did a decent job of bringing the thread on topic again with this post now. :)
 
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Everygame with too much grind like photohunt is not 10/10. Problem is with balancing it out. Life in Santa County is also good. Also I would say game that is not complete in years could lose some points in time. Like Being a Dik.
 

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Guess my standards are either too different or not compatible with what is considered great here. Because honestly...
Looking at these Models from "Mist" gives me goosebumps, and not at all in a good way. The same with those eyes in "After the Inferno". I mean, I commend the dev trying to do something with the models, but those large irises look just strange and creepy to me. Not to even talking about how even a new game like that uses models I saw in games at least four years ago, if not longer. Are there really not some other ways to differentiate these models by now?

But I also want to be trying to be fair. "Mist" and "After the Inferno" seem at least interesting in their settings, even if the latter gives me some Witcher vibes with that shot. Which brings me to "Once in a Lifetime" and I have got to say i do like the look (and yup i'm only talking about optics here, call me a hypocrite for graphics whoring for once :p) the best out of all the recently finished games you named.



I guess those are the problems of that shitty early access / pateron / subscribe star funding model. Most games seem to get abandoned long before they get ever finished, or drawn out to the point of getting worse and worse every update. Which was an issue even the last time I tried to delve into some of these western made vns...

Honest question was there ever something similarly cool created like "Depraved Awakening"? You were still mentioning "Dreams of Desire" which makes me raise my eyebrow, because that thing should be pretty old by now, right? if it got a "Definitive Edition" should not matter. "Acting Lessons", "Depraved Awakening", "Melody" all seemed to have come out very close to each other. Pretty much anything else I did try was either unfinished like "Being a Dik" or "City of Broken Dreamers" or mediocre and sometimes even downright shit.

Edit: Guess I can add some more to the list. "Daughter For Desert" and is "Double Homework" finished by now? I also found two in dev ones which always looked pretty cool those being "Harem Hotel" and "Mythic Manor" but that is usually why I do not want to get in dev things recommended, these still not being finished is kinda depressing...
I mean personal preference is so subjective but I find Mist to have some of the best looking art, and After the Inferno looks great to me based on the pics I'm gonna give it a go. You listed some other great games depraved is fantastic and acting lessons and dreams of desire.

I gave harem hotel a try a while ago and it seemed ok except the characters were so wildly unpleasant to look, mythic manor slightly better but also terrible. The main takeaway here is that nobody should use honey select. Just gotta learn a different program or have someone do the art because what's the point of spending all that time writing and building gameplay just to have it be very unpleasant and unnatural to look at?

Edit: daughter for dessert as well what is the point of that art? Looks to me like they just all came out of volunteering to be practiced on by first day amateurs attending clown makeup school. Not to mention the strange proportions of facial features. Some very creepy stuff to behold.

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