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Payoneer signed a contract with Patreon as a payment/payout processer, fully aware that they allow NSFW content. They would be violating that contract (and opening themselves to a world of hurt from a law perspective.) by banning/deactivating said users who work through Patreon.
Adult games/visual novels do not fall under the traditional definition of "adult entertainment", whether that's because it's a relatively small niche in a much, much larger industry or because it's behind a paywall is anyone's guess. Patreon doesn't allow OnlyFans-style pornography, and
That being said: Keep your options as open as you possibly can. Get Stripe, Get Wise, Get Paypal, Get Payoneer. If you keep your ass covered, then you're just that much more prepared when/if something goes down on one of them. Spaces like this volatile. One minute, you're raking in cash. In the next, Paypal's pulling an OnlyFans (Rhetorically, that is. This isn't happening.) and there goes a lot of people's money.
Adult games/visual novels do not fall under the traditional definition of "adult entertainment", whether that's because it's a relatively small niche in a much, much larger industry or because it's behind a paywall is anyone's guess. Patreon doesn't allow OnlyFans-style pornography, and
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. But I believe this specifically refers to camgirls/camwhores, digital prostitution (OnlyFans.), actual sex benefits/actual prostitution via Patreon (which has happened.), and stuff of that sort as it's all considered 'high-risk' (see link above for more). Literal "adult entertainment". Same goes for Paypal. They're legally obligated to accept whatever comes from Patreon. Unless said account(s) are doing illegal things/violating ToS content.That being said: Keep your options as open as you possibly can. Get Stripe, Get Wise, Get Paypal, Get Payoneer. If you keep your ass covered, then you're just that much more prepared when/if something goes down on one of them. Spaces like this volatile. One minute, you're raking in cash. In the next, Paypal's pulling an OnlyFans (Rhetorically, that is. This isn't happening.) and there goes a lot of people's money.
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I am curious about this topic too. some creators removed totally content like incest or zoo of their games. or others hide it and let enable via external patches.
i am not sure how patreon know about that or they make a auditory over internet and the code game?.
i am not sure how patreon know about that or they make a auditory over internet and the code game?.
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Globally speaking, payment processors agree to deal with Patreon's adult content, because Patreon gave them guaranties.
The main risk for them being frauds, and ending accomplice of crimes related to prostitution, those guaranties are, firstly, the frozen deposit used as guaranty fund. This mean that, in case of frauds, it's not the payment processor that will refund the victim, the money will come from this fund ; it's big enough for the interest to cover most of the expenses.
Secondly, Patreon's commitment in the, let's call it "identity verification". Since you need to be registered to be engaged in any payment, there's less risks than with pure anonymous platforms. The risks still exist, of course, but it's limited ; you'll be able to make only one monthly payment with the fraudulent count, instead of the dozen you could do with an anonymous platform. And Patreon also have some levers they can use to avoid too obvious, recurrent or not, attempts ; I do believe than two different accounts can't use the exact same debit/credit card or paypal account, by example. What again can't be done with an anonymous platform.
Thirdly, Patreon's moderation. They banned prostitution and topics that are morally borderline, but that also are the more shady ; therefore the more subjects to frauds. This permit to the payment processors to be more in peace, and to all the other creators to exist.
Ive been using it of 3 or four years now, no issues.
Hi, i was banned from Payoneer because part of my activity goes against their T.O.S. No incest, zoo, non consensual sex, drugs or any stuff like that on my game. So... they ban me just becuase i was creating +18 content.
I was originally setting my Payoneer account back in 2014 for withdraw money earned on freelancer.com
I was originally setting my Payoneer account back in 2014 for withdraw money earned on freelancer.com
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is that what Payoneer explained to you?
that's strange, because, for example, the game
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fully revolves around non-con. but they just put this sentence in their description and seem fine with it...
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also has rape and no problems with money.maybe incest and zoo impacted your ban more...
UPD: sorry, misread it. I see that your game has none of this stuff...
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Then I take it you were not financing the game through Patreon.
Well, rape/non-con is not allowed on Patreon unless the context warrants it (no glorification, as Patreon calls it). So if your game has rape and you're on Patreon, you're likely violating their guidelines.
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As I understand it, glorification falls under stuff like A Serbian Film or I Spit On Your Grave, or things of that sort. Implied, historical, and biographical rape are often the exception under Patreon's (admittedly) vague umbrella. Or as Patreon specifically refers to, survivor stories like Lolita. The question from that point, is where exactly do they draw the line between Lolita and I Spit On Your Grave?
yeah, thanks, I misread it.
I don't know, but I doubt that PayPal, for example, has different rules from Payoneer.
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To be more precise, here the responsibility lie between payoneer and Patreon hands.
When they became partners with Patreon, Payoneer have surely been warned that some accounts are +18, and have either agreed or disagreed to deal with them. Then, if they agreed, they have to proceed the payment without consequences ; it's their contract with Patreon. And if they disagreed, Patreon shouldn't propose them as possible partner when the account is flagged as +18 ; it's, implicitly, their contract with their users.
But all this apply only for Patreon ; like I said they offered guaranties (a frozen deposit of US$ 20 millions) used to cover the cost in case of frauds. What imply that, if they agreed, you can use your payoneer account with Patreon, but you still can't use it for other sources of income, like a tip jar by example. If you do so, they'll ban you due to the said other source of income. And obviously once you're banned, you'll not be able to use it anymore with Patreon.
For Peter_Leach, there's around 20,000 creators of adult content on Patreon, saying that Patreon do not provide forms of withdrawal that can be used with +18 content is false.
You should ask Patreon why they proposed payoneer to you, since your account is flagged +18 and they don't accept to deal with such content. Then just see what happen.
The Payoneer account was cerated back in 2014, better times for me... i really don't remember sending any links, but my only source of funding in that period (and the only one until the closing date apart from +18 Patreon) was freelancer.com.
So my only sources of funding were freelancer.com and Patreon.
Anyway I will do it again when the age verification process of the creators of +18 is done. (Patreon will do this if I'm not wrong in October)
Regarding late responses, they were sooooo late.
That was their last answer when asking if I could unlink that Payoneer from my Patreon (obviously with the intention of using another Payoneer). It is not even possible to unlink the source of financing, which makes me realize that the problem IS my creation on Patreon since i even think that my Payoneer could have been hacked and someone tried some dirty move.
With that answer that doubt dissipates, the problem is 100% confirmed that it is my game on Patreon where there is nothing that can go against Patreon rules, just a guy who fucks old women and visits brothels... plain +18, no drugs, not even viagra!, not non-consensual sex, no zoo, no underage suspicion (every woman has her age clearly shown and they look very mature..), no slavery or whore procurer... just fucking plain vanilla sex.
How do you know freelancer.com isn't the problem? Or some other activity from you, like trying to setup different payoneers or whatever? With just the info you've given, I don't see any proof it's about your Patreon. If it was your Patreon, it would be strange as it would go against what we know about adult creators on Patreon using Payoneer and the deal Patreon have with Payoneer.
I stopped withdraws from freelancer years ago, the withdrawal service to Payoneer is no longer available in freelancer since 2017 or so... the only source of funding in the last 5 years was Patreon.
No, I have not tried to open a second account because I know it is not possible to have more than one.
I suppose that the cause of the blocking has been Patreon due to the impossibility of disconnecting the account from there and that the only source of financing since 2017 has been that.
I also contacted Patreon who apparently did their best to disconnect it and the response they got was similar to what i received and copied here.
It is really inappropriate to say that 100% of the cause was that, it was my mistake due to the heat of the moment, but I don't see any other apparent cause either.
That's strange. I would ask both Patreon and Payoneer (again if you already have) how this could happen when Patreon have a deal with Payoneer to allow funds from adult content creators. If they don't have such a deal, then it's bad news for many of us.