VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[Tulrek]

I personally would not wish to be a Patreon supporter of AWAM given the slow update schedule.

But I hate this childish obsession that any time a developer spends more than a month between updates then that it is because he is "milking" his Patreons. And invariably this accusation comes from someone who is not themselves a Patreon supporter but like many of us, is getting it free from F95.

If you are a Patreon supporter you are entitled to complain about milking or being ripped off. Otherwise just stick to your free fapping.

I AGREE with you BUT your last line is not accurate.

A patreon is NOT an employer.
The patreoned guy is NOT an amployee.
There is NO contract between them, except for the "rewards".
A patreon support the guy.
A patreon is NOT paying him for work, just for supporting him.
The patreoned guy is obliged of NOTHING towards his patreons, excepte the "rewards".

If you are in terms with the line of work and the work ethic of your patreoned guy, then all is fine.
If you don't, you stop to be a patreon AND you have NOTHING to say to him.
The patreon is free to do has he see fit for his business.

All this is not directed towards you Poser_Voyeur.
I use your post to illustrate my meanings.

 

[Lust&Pateron]

I personally would not wish to be a Patreon supporter of AWAM given the slow update schedule.

But I hate this childish obsession that any time a developer spends more than a month between updates then that it is because he is "milking" his Patreons. And invariably this accusation comes from someone who is not themselves a Patreon supporter but like many of us, is getting it free from F95.

If you are a Patreon supporter you are entitled to complain about milking or being ripped off. Otherwise just stick to your free fapping.

Yeah but he's taking 6months, not a 1

If you are a Patreon supporter you are entitled to complain about milking or being ripped off. Otherwise just stick to your free fapping.

also there is nothing to fap to after what 2 years of 1,000 renders of going to the toilet

I give you an example, halay story, has an update every month, and sex scenes. I support.

The office wife, updates every month, though i don't like the story any more i supported

 

[madbloke]

...Are we old?

Well I suppose its all relative, compared to the juveniles that seem to thrive on trolling this thread, I guess we are.

 

[Lust&Pateron]

The patreoned guy is obliged of NOTHING towards his patreons, excepte the "rewards".

i disagree, he's obliged a game that was promised on a time frame which isn't 10 years

 

[Tulrek]

i disagree, he's obliged a game that was promised on a time frame which isn't 10 years

There is no official contract about that. Patreon support a guy, not a work.
That is where a lot of people is mistaken. I was at first until I was explained what patronage really means.

 

[nexer]

Again and again the same thing. Patrons have a direct line, others enjoy what's out there.

Respect to events, a wife likes the attention of her husband, but even the compliment of a stranger is not lost, even if her husband takes great care of her in every way.
Sophia is a bit " neglected", she is looking for attention (her visit to Liam's office is a proof), so all the attention that comes is absorbed like a sponge. Mixing this with her attraction to the younger ones, it leads to events like Tutoring, where we're not just talking about getting attention but letting her instincts flow, in a safe place.
The event is about Sophia, not the apostles. Where is the difference with Larry, for example? Sophia has the initiative. She will decide what and how. No one is going to force her.
Let's see if the apostles are going to ask Sophia if she has given her son Sex-ed.
The Japanese are good at this.

 

[Sabertooth__]

300 renders on the first 2 scenes?

Arnt they the old people visit and the young kids teaching?

300? HAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh the walking and talking images are off the scale this update!!!!

We don't know about that. Last update everyone was thinking that the Larry event will just be talking but that scene furthered Sophia's corruption considerably also had Sophia having sex with another guy even if it was in imagination.

Her outfit on the nursing route is changed so you never know what that would lead to, because if it was changed and made shorter than the other nurses it must have a reason.
The second side job storyline is still developing so there will be more talking. Personally I expect nothing from the 2nd side job in this update

 

[Scarlet56]

I will try to have an objective vision and not the one with my passionate heart.

It doesn't matter how long or how many renderings. I'll be blunt, the game is sorely lacking in facial expression.
If we look closely, a scene is: shot/reverse shot, shot/reverse shot again and again.

Maybe with more facial expression, it could replace / decrease a number of renderings to be created.
At the end of the day, L&P would have spent the same amount of time as it does today making a version but with more facial expression and less rendering.
More facial expressions = maybe a more "lively" scene gain. Less rendering, less narration for the same amount of time.

For me, all the strength and, above all, what I like about this game are Sophia's inner thoughts. Without it, the game would be much less interesting.

In any case, for me. I am too old, to be satisfied, just by seeing sex. (Even less , fapping on it).
I need a good story; AWAM offers me one.

 

[abram1]

i disagree, he's obliged a game that was promised on a time frame which isn't 10 years

Agree to disagree.
Does any of the patrons signs up any paperwork before starting to support anyone on Patreon? No.
Maybe potential patrons making some kind of verbal agreement? Highly unlikely.

What does a patron do? The same some of them did during the Renaissance era. They are sort of a helping hand for the artists. Some stay no matter what. Others, having built imaginary castles deep down themselves and seeing that the content developer doesn't meet their expectations, leave. There's always a choice.

Therefore, none of the creators is obliged to anyone in any way. Don't like what you see - vote with your wallet. They may listen to the feedback, but the final decision is upon them.

L&P's initial plan was to finish this game with around 10k renders, if I'm not mistaken, which is pretty damn close to what we have at the moment. But once you've discovered a goldmine like AWAM, you may course correct the whole project from the ground up.

The very first update was basically a bait, to see, how the audience would react to it. People liked it, and he moved on to expand and improve the game in all the ways possible. I'd say 10 years or 2027 is a very optimistic scenario, considering we're barely 40% through the story and his ambitions are prevailing over him.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

...Are we old?

I'm 97.

 

[Catherine1972]

There are only those left here who really love AWAM and support it in whatever way, only words or other encouragement. Critics, comments from those who will play in 20 minutes because the "skip" button is their best friend will come back to the next update.

 

[codex35]

...Are we old?

I remember teletubbies lol

 

[Lust&Pateron]

There is no official contract about that. Patreon support a guy, not a work.
That is where a lot of people is mistaken. I was at first until I was explained what patronage really means.

Which goes back to my original comment, he's ripping of his patrons.

He promised a complete game within 10,000 renders. He's extended and extended renders and paths for no real reason, that adds no real context other than "filter pieces" and as such has delayed so that the game won't be completed anytime soon.

How can you not seen that, this is a business model to rip of his loyal patrons?

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Which goes back to my original comment, he's ripping of his patrons.

He promised a complete game within 10,000 renders. He's extended and extended renders and paths for no real reason, that adds no real context other than "filter pieces" and as such has delayed so that the game won't be completed anytime soon.

How can you not seen that, this is a business model to rip of his loyal patrons?

Have you seen the quality of typical "rip-off" games? Because they're never anywhere close to this. The sheer level of quality shows that this is not a "rip-off" game, but a resource-intensive one and one that has a high level of ambition behind it.

It does move slower than pretty much all of us would like and is bloated with too many side stories, but the level of effort that goes in to make it look so stunning is more likely the reason why it takes so long because quality like this can't be done quickly by just one person.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Have you seen the quality of typical "rip-off" games? Because they're never anywhere close to this. The sheer level of quality shows that this is not a "rip-off" game, but a resource-intensive one and one that has a high level of ambition behind it.

It does move slower than pretty much all of us would like and is bloated with too many side stories, but the level of effort that goes in to make it look so stunning is more likely the reason why it takes so long because quality like this can't be done quickly by just one person.

Currently, there is one high-quality "rip-off" game that I can think of right now, and I don't know how this Patron maintains their member count since their last update was almost one and a half years ago and makes promises of new updates.

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So agree about the speed of AWAM and how L&P communicates his thoughts about speeding up the release of the updates and then falls short of his plan for updates, but so far, L&P has released updates compare to the spoiler.

 

[abram1]

Which goes back to my original comment, he's ripping of his patrons.

He promised a complete game within 10,000 renders. He's extended and extended renders and paths for no real reason, that adds no real context other than "filter pieces" and as such has delayed so that the game won't be completed anytime soon.

How can you not seen that, this is a business model to rip of his loyal patrons?

I may easily play the role of devil's lawyer, but I'll pass on this temptation. My dude, this dev works all by himself, which is a biggest drawback and the sole reason of inconsistency.
If you wanna know what a rip off is or feels like, welcome to this thread. That dumpster has been of fire for months now. The quality of ICSTOR's excuses is so abysmal that it's funny in its own way. I can only salute and be amazed by the stubbornes of his patrons.
Would you be so kind to show his exact words, where "he promised" to finish his game in the X amount of renders? Promises doesn't equal intentions and the latter is subject to change.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I may easily play the role of devil's lawyer, but I'll pass on this temptation. My dude, this dev works all by himself, which is a biggest drawback and the sole reason of inconsistency.
If you wanna know what a rip off is or feels like, welcome to this thread. That dumpster has been of fire for months now. The quality of ICSTOR's excuses is so abysmal that it's funny in its own way. I can only salute and be amazed by the stubbornes of his patrons.
Would you be so kind to show his exact words, where "he promised" to finish his game in the X amount of renders? Promises doesn't equal intentions and the latter is subject to change.

I don't know if you can say this was a "Promised", but I guess you could say this is what he promoted when he was advertising and posting here on F95 a couple of years ago.

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https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-115-lust-passion.5944/page-260#post-924649

 

[Bane71]

I don't know if you can say this was a "Promised", but I guess you could say this is what he promoted when he was advertising and posting here on F95 a couple of years ago.

https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-115-lust-passion.5944/page-260#post-924649

Plans and promises are different substances. He planned to do so, but the work on the project made its own adjustments and as a result we have what we have. Of course you can blame him for this. But how will reproaches help someone?

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Plans and promises are different substances. He planned to do so, but the work on the project made its own adjustments and as a result we have what we have. Of course you can blame him for this. But how will reproaches help someone?

This is why I put the word "Promises" in quotes, but if you read what he typed again.



Where do you see the uses of the word plan??? I see the word definitely.

 

[abram1]

I don't know if you can say this was a "Promised", but I guess you could say this is what he promoted when he was advertising and posting here on F95 a couple of years ago.

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https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-115-lust-passion.5944/page-260#post-924649

We all can say ciao or adiós to those plans now. He himself had no idea that the game would become that popular. So he's adjusting accordingly. Can we blame him for that? He's earning his money fair and square.
Idk if the final product would be labeled as 1.00, but the upcoming 0.135 looks kinda ... spooky.
Even if the whole playable day is a decimal, god help us all till it's done.