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ashitanojoe

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For the people talking about milking. It's the opposite actually:

- Dating My Daughter is less popular than this game in this site, still the dev has the double of patrons than L&P.
- This game is almost four times more popular than Fashion Business here: 22 M views against 6 M views, still DecentMonkey has more patrons and earns more money there.
- The Dev of Acting Lessons and Being a DIK started his first game later than this one and he already finished one and his other one is very advanced. He has like 7 times more patrons.

So, the fact that this dev has been very slow and unproductive has prevented him to earn more patrons and money. We are talking about a very popular game which earnings correspond for games with 1/4 its popularity.
 

Lust&Pateron

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For the people talking about milking. It's the opposite actually:

- Dating My Daughter is less popular than this game in this site, still the dev has the double of patrons than L&P.
- This game is almost four times more popular than Fashion Business here: 22 M views against 6 M views, still DecentMonkey has more patrons and earns more money there.
- The Dev of Acting Lessons and Being a DIK started his first game later than this one and he already finished one and his other one is very advanced. He has like 7 times more patrons.

So, the fact that this dev has been very slow and unproductive has prevented him to earn more patrons and money. We are talking about a very popular game which earnings correspond for games with 1/4 its popularity.
But the story hasn't stagnated in either those games. And there are releases where the game isn't still in the development stage.

I think you honestly missed the point everyone is making
 

Bill_Buttlicker

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For the people talking about milking. It's the opposite actually:

- Dating My Daughter is less popular than this game in this site, still the dev has the double of patrons than L&P.
- This game is almost four times more popular than Fashion Business here: 22 M views against 6 M views, still DecentMonkey has more patrons and earns more money there.
- The Dev of Acting Lessons and Being a DIK started his first game later than this one and he already finished one and his other one is very advanced. He has like 7 times more patrons.

So, the fact that this dev has been very slow and unproductive has prevented him to earn more patrons and money. We are talking about a very popular game which earnings correspond for games with 1/4 its popularity.
People who talk about "milking" have no clue what they're talking about. It seems to me it's just jealousy on their part as (they think) the creator is doing nothing while making lots of money. Even if he is, who cares? If you don't like his output and you're not donating anything on his Patreon then he isn't "milking" you at all. Stop whining already.
 

hmc15

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The idea that 10 years has stopped being a joke and has slid into becoming an established fact is pretty damn funny. Undertale, Stardew valley, Braid, there are countless more examples of fully completed games that have been completed in near the same amount of time as AWAM has been in development. All with a one person dev team. If you really believe that AWAM is so intricate and expansive that it will take longer to develop then games like that then your just delusional at this point.
This is probably the single most powerful post in the entire 2621 page thread. It is hilarious how some people accept a 10 year deadline as if its a good thing. And before people run to defend L&P...the dude is making well over $100k per year with this project. If the dev cared about delivering the game and satisfying his customer base he would get a coder. He's already dismissed using an artist or writer due to creative differences...and thats fine because this is his story. But the programming is completely busy work and there's no other reason - besides greed - for not hiring help.

Greed, greed, greed ! At least there are dozens of other quality games :]
 

hmc15

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For the people talking about milking. It's the opposite actually:

- Dating My Daughter is less popular than this game in this site, still the dev has the double of patrons than L&P.
- This game is almost four times more popular than Fashion Business here: 22 M views against 6 M views, still DecentMonkey has more patrons and earns more money there.
- The Dev of Acting Lessons and Being a DIK started his first game later than this one and he already finished one and his other one is very advanced. He has like 7 times more patrons.

So, the fact that this dev has been very slow and unproductive has prevented him to earn more patrons and money. We are talking about a very popular game which earnings correspond for games with 1/4 its popularity.
All of those games use teasing, blackmail, and corruption and all of those games are also porn games. AWAM has better renders than all of those games but after 3 years of development its hardly had much porn at all. The whole project reminds me of the game Cyberpunk 2077...broken promises and missed deadlines because its too massive.

DMD is also a large game but its not too big where goals and updates cant be met...and theres a realistic conclusion/finish line.

AWAM is 3 years in the making and is literally 15% complete...yikes.
 

GingerSweetGirl

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All of those games use teasing, blackmail, and corruption and all of those games are also porn games. AWAM has better renders than all of those games but after 3 years of development its hardly had much porn at all. The whole project reminds me of the game Cyberpunk 2077...broken promises and missed deadlines because its too massive.

DMD is also a large game but its not too big where goals and updates cant be met...and theres a realistic conclusion/finish line.

AWAM is 3 years in the making and is literally 15% complete...yikes.
Where are you getting 15% from? We're finishing playable day 12 out of 30, so we're more like 40% through. I'm not saying that you need to like the development cycle, but it isn't as bad as 15%.
 

abram1

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Sometimes I think how easy it is to be totally misunderstood, but considering your tone I think you are this passive-aggressive because deep down you know I am right on this.

I had a laugh, that you seem to think I am jealous of L&P. It does not impact me one bit if he makes 1€ or thousands. If he makes alot of money good for him. My beef is with the anormal development time, no matter that he is alone (interesting thing that he names himself something that implies more people than just one) and makes high quality renders.

As for art quality, you are sadly mistaken if you think that the pics from e.g. Summer pockets are so much faster to do and of lesser quality. Esp. since some of the VNs I mentioned are older ones like Little Busters, and that is still great. Here are some example pics. Anybody saying these have lesser quality than AWAM is willfully unfair!
As New York Herald had stated over 150 years ago about misspelling Old Abe's name "A man knows his name". Believe it or not, I know myself better than anyone else, so your 1st phrase is irrelevant. Yours and others thoughts concerning artificial prolongation of the development process aka milking just don't worth a damn.

I write my responses in the way to provoke and tease folks, make them smile time to time and think, above all. Glad at least I've managed to hit one of those marks. Why do you even care how much time he wastes on his game, your life depends on it or smth?

The images you provided supposed to be some kind of the counter towards AWAM's renders? Confession: I don't feel inside like a 10-year girl and those pictures, alas, only baffling me. Probably coz anime related media is outside my sphere of interest. You should've shown screenshots from the games in your signatures so we would've both laughed, comparing them with the game of this thread.

Some diagrams to show that the game has become more complex (for day #19 this is an estimate related to the trend)
Number of lines in script per day :
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Complexity of the code (basic estimation with "if else" presences)
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Number of choices per day
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A lot of people thought that since a few versions it was not going faster. It's the opposite, in fact, the story is much more complex since the day #16
Don't shatter the worldview of the "milkers gang". They still firmly believe the Earth is flat and stands on the 3 turtles or elephants, go figure.


Greed, greed, greed ! At least there are dozens of other quality games :]
And I strongly disagreed, diasgreed, diasgreed.

All of those games use teasing, blackmail, and corruption and all of those games are also porn games. AWAM has better renders than all of those games but after 3 years of development its hardly had much porn at all. The whole project reminds me of the game Cyberpunk 2077...broken promises and missed deadlines because its too massive.

DMD is also a large game but its not too big where goals and updates cant be met...and theres a realistic conclusion/finish line.

AWAM is 3 years in the making and is literally 15% complete...yikes.
Where do I even begin? CDPR from the ground up lied straight to our faces. Due to mismanagement, unrealistic expectations and hopes that consumers would happilly engulf this half-baked product they dared to release it and the rest is history now.

But it's about AWAM. L&P is a jack-of-all-trades, who's standards towards himself are pretty damn high, so it's quite problematic to delegate a portion of responsobilties to a total stranger/strangers, let alone sharing with god knows who the assets. Trust issues but greed? Shut the front door.

Who said that it's a porn game in the first place? Where did you get this notion from? What DMD has to do with AWAM, would you like as well to juxtapose images from the both games? Pls, be my guest.

The 0.115 isn't the same as 11.5%, as at that rate the game won't be done in 25 years from now. It's more like 25% at this point, approximating the further split of the playable day and the fact that the game gets more complex both in quality rendering and coding process, go check the Apollodore's post above.

Why even mentioning his annual income, that number doesn't make you sleep well? Stop counting money in someone's pocket, FFS.
 

Cid Kagenō

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Ask for a save file for Zac and Dylan boarding school path that tells Sofia the truth. I have forgotten how to get this scene.
 

yihman1

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Some diagrams to show that the game has become more complex (for day #19 this is an estimate related to the trend)
Number of lines in script per day :
View attachment 1051249
Complexity of the code (basic estimation with "if else" presences)
View attachment 1051250
Number of choices per day
View attachment 1051251
A lot of people thought that since a few versions it was not going faster. It's the opposite, in fact, the story is much more complex since the day #16
That's called scope creep.
 
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Scarlet56

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I'm not a patron, I would be if the updates were closer. (It's a fact, they never will be) :cry:
As a non-patron, I have nothing to say to L&P, I simply suggest things that could possibly speed up the process. :)

One thing is certain, we groan, we are not happy, okay.
But with each update, I would still enjoy playing it. Again and again. ;)
The game is far too good to miss. :love:

Like I said before, I'm over the age of fapping on a VN.
History prevails. For me, my tastes, this one is.(y) :love:
 

hzjujk

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I can't understand where the 10,000+ dollar number comes from. Does that mean an amount after taxes or not?
In Germany these are around 50%. With around 1500 supporters, this number would only be possible if most donate
10 dollars per month. Is that a legitimate assumption?
What the fable for Manga / Hentai from a member here I can understand well. There are draftsmen who draw an
erotic scene with a few lines that leaves you breathless. But do you really want to compare your examples with
such a picture. Do you think really the efforts is comparable.
Day19_4_73_Sophia_sits_outside_and_thinks_what_the_hells_wrong_with_her.jpg

I think you made a bad choice as an example. I think to see what you like a little too much through pink glasses.
Of course, the other way around, the argument also applies to me.
 

Dr.SigmundFap

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your developer perspective is certainly relevant :)
I think the balance between possibilities and complixity is difficult to find
Most games often give the option of different stories near the end, L&P in the first third.
If for the next playable day, it goes to above 15000, 200 if else, and 100 choices, ... I will start to be worried

Hope L&P comes sometimes on the thread to read the constructive comments :unsure:
He does keep up with comments on here but usually keeps quite. And the constructive comments he usually handles them as personal attacks instead of ideas that could be beneficial to his design.
 

abram1

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I can't understand where the 10,000+ dollar number comes from. Does that mean an amount after taxes or not?
In Germany these are around 50%. With around 1500 supporters, this number would only be possible if most donate
10 dollars per month. Is that a legitimate assumption?
What the fable for Manga / Hentai from a member here I can understand well. There are draftsmen who draw an
erotic scene with a few lines that leaves you breathless. But do you really want to compare your examples with
such a picture. Do you think really the efforts is comparable.
I think you made a bad choice as an example. I think to see what you like a little too much through pink glasses.
Of course, the other way around, the argument also applies to me.
That's maths 5th grade, proportions.
The last open info about his earnings: Dec 30 2019. Number of patrons 917, cash per month $7233. On February 23 2021 he has 1529 backers. $7233/317= $X/1529. And our $X = $12000. That's, surely, an approximation.
Don't forget about Patreon's fee, in any case its his hard earned cash.

Dude, people see what they wanna see, arguments and logical explanations are worthless here. War is peace, black is white, L&P is a milker. If we don't support this line of thinking, we're morons and not the other way around. The only thing they are capable of is to facepalm you to death, as their communication skills leaves much to be desired.
 
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