VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[ancienregimele]

I am not denying that there are hints and subtle clues but some of the posts are really latching on to everything just to be able to say something on the matter. I know L&P is not throwing in dialogues randomly but there is analysing and then there is overanalyzing. And as I said "some" not all of them are making unreasonable speculations

Didn't like the dogs under the table concept then? I could be wrong but your overall message could be read as, 'stop talking because you're irritating me.' I'm not really over-analysing, as I see it, however, everyone has their opinions, to which we're all entitled. If you check back on my posts you'll see I've stated, or rather had to state more than once, that we're all equal here. I don't need to analyse any aspect of AWAM just to be able to say something. If I wanted to do that I would start a new topic, like "who do we see as strong enough to put Sophia over their knee?" That would generate interest & controversy & I would be able to post away to my heart's content.

If you don't like the speculation, which is meant to be a fun way to pass the time, by the way, simply gloss over it. Alternatively just say that you don't agree & perhaps give the reason(s) why.

 

[xxxorro]

I don't think there was much conspiracy at the casino event either. After Liam left the house with such high debts,
Morello will of course have used his contacts, including the police, to find out everything about his debtor.
This would have given the conditions that he would have recognized Sophia again. And saw such an opportunity.
And that Liam has secretly been to the Casiono several times does not fit the story. Sophia can leave the casino
with Liam. So if there was old debt, it would still be there now. That would be a huge logical hole in history.
And I agree with the people who say we interpret too much into the dialogues. But hey, we're bored and it's fun.

Be careful, is it "debt" or "debts"? (just kidding, i could not resist)

I obviously agree with the overanalysing thing, and I'm the one who also went wild with speculations. As you say, it's just for fun while we wait for the next update. As long as we keep it civil and don't start to fight about it, it's harmless and fun.
Btw, getting back to the "debts" discussion which somehow triggered these speculations, I think it may be just a typo (there were a few here and there even in the last update) or since LP is not a native speaker (like me) he may have adopted the same usage of his native language (German?). Even in my language you can use "debts" to say 1) many different debt sources or 2) more generally the exposure you have (it could be 1 or more). If we consider the Occam's razor, I would lean for the simpler explanation. ;-)

That being said I still believe that the Morello's path is not over, a little show is just what you do before sitting at the table with these people, especially if there are 400k on the plate. Not that I want this or that I believe we see more Sophia action with the Morello's family, but I simply find it unrealistic as an end.

 

[nexer]

And that's a good thing. Paying attention to detail is great way to appreciate the person creating the art. I am only talking about those that are just overanalyzing everything.

Overanalyzing isn't a synonym of psychoanalysis?
Here, we are in Freud's boots, he also studied women's sexuality

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I think it's a pretty reasonable theory that Liam has run up additional debts prior to losing the house. That would seem to be a believable development for his character. Not an evil flaw, but certainly a major character flaw. It would speak to his addiction and that is the sort of character development this game needs. But I do think the speculation about a pre-arranged plan from Liam to involve Sophia is probably not correct. That would begin to put Liam too far into the twisted and evil category, and that doesn't seem appropriate for this game. In the end, he does truly love Sophia and he's made some mistakes, but I don't think he has any interest in pimping her out. I really do think L&P wants Liam to end up as a sympathetic character.

 

[ancienregimele]

I think it's a pretty reasonable theory that Liam has run up additional debts prior to losing the house. That would seem to be a believable development for his character. Not an evil flaw, but certainly a major character flaw. It would speak to his addiction and that is the sort of character development this game needs. But I do think the speculation about a pre-arranged plan from Liam to involve Sophia is probably not correct. That would begin to put Liam too far into the twisted and evil category, and that doesn't seem appropriate for this game. In the end, he does truly love Sophia and he's made some mistakes, but I don't think he has any interest in pimping her out. I really do think L&P wants Liam to end up as a sympathetic character.

If we got more spoilers or information on potential future plans, I think the amount of speculation would drop accordingly but it's unlikely to happen.

 

[nexer]

There is a strange thing about that scene.
When she gets home Sophia talks to Liam. And Liam is in the position of accepting and, moreover, asking Carl for help. In a short period of time Liam goes from, "no, no way, I hate Carl", to "please Carl help me".
This usually takes time to accept the situation and look for solutions. Liam looked like he had it all prepared beforehand.
I have to look at the script, but who had the idea to go to the casino? Or go out that evening?

 

[ancienregimele]

My only question to you is did I ever mention you or any of your theories. The fact that you interpret what I say as saying don't talk me.... I don't understand that at all. I am not here to look down upon anyone's opinion or to get into fights. I don't even think any of your posts or theories made me mad or anything like that. You're taking it personally bro when you're not supposed to. Everyone's opinion matters. But some people will be like the sitting posture of a certain character here is very unlike them. It definitely means something..... When it's pretty evident that it's not weird and normal and does not mean anything. That's what I am talking about.

OK, I won't take it personally, no problem. You see we get so bored during the long gaps between updates that we resort to speculation. On the other hand, sometimes the speculations turn out to be near the mark.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Overanalyzing isn't a synonym of psychoanalysis?
Here, we are in Freud's boots, he also studied women's sexuality

I don't think it is a synonym. They are completely different things. I don't even understand how you got to talking about psychoanalysis here. All I am saying is.... Well I already said what I am saying. I don't know how to clarify that I am not hating on anyone and just saying what I felt. A lot of things evidently have no meaning but there are people trying to find meaning in everything. And once again I never directed anything at you. The only thing I remember of you is that your posts aren't bad.

 

[Sabertooth__]

OK, I won't take it personally, no problem. You see we get so bored during the long gaps between updates that we resort to speculation. On the other hand, sometimes the speculations turn out to be near the mark.

When speculations turn out to be right it is a good feeling no doubt about that.
And of course the gaps between updates can be a boring period and we all start thinking about the possibilities that can take place in the storylines. Also with the updates being smaller, they only act as a tease leaving you wanting more

 

[hzjujk]

I think it's a pretty reasonable theory that Liam has run up additional debts prior to losing the house. That would seem to be a believable development for his character. Not an evil flaw, but certainly a major character flaw. It would speak to his addiction and that is the sort of character development this game needs. But I do think the speculation about a pre-arranged plan from Liam to involve Sophia is probably not correct. That would begin to put Liam too far into the twisted and evil category, and that doesn't seem appropriate for this game. In the end, he does truly love Sophia and he's made some mistakes, but I don't think he has any interest in pimping her out. I really do think L&P wants Liam to end up as a sympathetic character.

Agree, except for the additional debt.

 

[dregon87]

I tend to get deleted for going off topic, but here goes anyway...

Actually, what you're saying is all part of the game, but you're wrongly attributing the skill and experience aspects to luck. Being able to trick/deceive your opponents IS the skill. The ability to beat players regardless of what they are holding is the skill element. training yourself to have the same reaction regardless of what cards you get, training yourself to detect the subtlest change in an opponent's expression, and then the memory and math skills to remember betting hands, positional plays, results of previous hands, opponents reactions to your betting patterns, and of course, knowing the odds of making whatever hand you're trying to hit (pulling an inside straight instead of an up and down, needing a fifth spade, drawing from two pair to a full house), and then putting your odds of success (luck) against what you know about your opponents (and what you think they know about you).

No need to apologize for that.

Believe in what you believe, I will believe in what I believe.

 

[nexer]

I don't think it is a synonym. They are completely different things. I don't even understand how you got to talking about psychoanalysis here. All I am saying is.... Well I already said what I am saying. I don't know how to clarify that I am not hating on anyone and just saying what I felt. A lot of things evidently have no meaning but there are people trying to find meaning in everything. And once again I never directed anything at you. The only thing I remember of you is that your posts aren't bad.

I hope that with each comment we go deeper and deeper, where no man has gone before and we do not repeat the same theories over and over again. This is my understanding of "overanalyzing" and not a continuous repetition of the same analysis.
As for the rest, since the MC is a woman, we try to understand her and predict her future actions. It's a hobby for some but imagine L&P, going round and round to fit the events.

 

[armion82]

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Well, let's say that the "not so good" news for you will turn into much better news for you shortly afterwards.
So, the "not so good" news for you are that I will have a post-correction surgery (of the surgery in Korea last year) on Wednesday this week. But it will take place in Germany, so I will already be back home one day after. This means I won't be able to work only Tue, Wed and Thu. So here we come to the good news. I got all my things done the last days/weeks, so that I won't even leave my apartment for min. 3-4 weeks after the surgery. And I also didn't plan anything for April, May, June and July. So, I will focus all my time on the game which will be more than the weeks before! Or more precisely: around 11 working hours per day Mon-Sun.

What's already done?

I finished the first two side job events. The 1st one has 123 renders and the 2nd one around 222.
So, only two bigger events left. I don't count the Liam and the Dylan/Emma events, because they're too small. I'll start working on the next event (Aiden) on Friday and try to release a first teaser of it this weekend.

That means second part of day 12 become way bigger than first part.We were expecting to be smaller.
470 renders for part 1
400 renders for part 2
both side jobs-180 renders total.Instead they are 345
So second part of day 12 now will be at least 565,probably more than 600 renders.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

That means second part of day 12 become way bigger than first part.We were expecting to be smaller.
470 renders for part 1
400 renders for part 2
both side jobs-180 renders total.Instead they are 345
So second part of day 12 now will be at least 565,probably more than 600 renders.

Considering that the update after this upcoming release is supposed to be larger, we may be lucky to get just three releases this year.

 

[Qixoni]

So, update 1.30 only in Summer?

 

[bayrischman]

day 12 will be finished in september

 

[xxxorro]

So, to resume what we know:

• Liam has a gambling addiction
• Don approaches and flirts with Sophia at the roulette (because he was struck by her beauty, class etc)
• Liam tells Sophia he lost at poker and they are in huge debt
• Don calls Sophia to set up the meeting (unknown how he got the number)

How do you tie together these facts in a storyline?

Scenario 1 - The simpler one
Everything is what it appears to be and logically to expect: Liam did lost at poker, Don just got lucky that the beautiful woman happened to be the wife of his debtor. Mafia has its own way to get the phone numbers of the people

Scenario 2 - A bit of twist but still likely
Don spots Sophia, he is struck and he "sets up" Liam with the poker game so he can have a leverage to pursue his plan with Sophia and Larry.

Scenario 3 - Liam is more involved in the deal than we know
Same as 2, but Don and Liam already had a discussion about the debt after the game and Liam kind of agrees to the deal (at different levels, according to your taste, he could simply agree to the visit, up to offering her as a partial collateral or worse (unlikely...)
After all, Liam was kind of quick at accepting the visiting behind the glass and at encouraging Sophia to do so (nexer ). And guess who gave Don the number...

Scenario 4 - Dark and evil path
Liam was already in debt because of other nights spent at the casino, made a deal with Don involving Sophia as collateral, the casino night nothing happened poker-wise and it served only for Don to agree to the deal after checking out Sophia.
I proposed (maybe others did previously, I didn't check) this as a pure wild speculation but I'm the first to say that's unlikely and as gingersweetgirl pointed out not really in the spirit of the game.
Not to mention that it also creates a problem with the whole storyline as Sophia can also leave the casino with Liam (hzjujk ), what happens to the debts in that case? It could be solved with just a business agreement without getting Sophia involved, but... nah!

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

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[GingerSweetGirl]

So, to resume what we know:

• Liam has a gambling addiction
• Don approaches and flirts with Sophia at the roulette (because he was struck by her beauty, class etc)
• Liam tells Sophia he lost at poker and they are in huge debt
• Don calls Sophia to set up the meeting (unknown how he got the number)

How do you tie together these facts in a storyline?

Scenario 1 - The simpler one
Everything is what it appears to be and logically to expect: Liam did lost at poker, Don just got lucky that the beautiful woman happened to be the wife of his debtor. Mafia has its own way to get the phone numbers of the people

Scenario 2 - A bit of twist but still likely
Don spots Sophia, he is struck and he "sets up" Liam with the poker game so he can have a leverage to pursue his plan with Sophia and Larry.

Scenario 3 - Liam is more involved in the deal than we know
Same as 2, but Don and Liam already had a discussion about the debt after the game and Liam kind of agrees to the deal (at different levels, according to your taste, he could simply agree to the visit, up to offering her as a partial collateral or worse (unlikely...)
After all, Liam was kind of quick at accepting the visiting behind the glass and at encouraging Sophia to do so (nexer ). And guess who gave Don the number...

Scenario 4 - Dark and evil path
Liam was already in debt because of other nights spent at the casino, made a deal with Don involving Sophia as collateral, the casino night nothing happened poker-wise and it served only for Don to agree to the deal after checking out Sophia.
I proposed (maybe other did previously, I didn't check) this as a pure wild speculation but I'm the first to say that's unlikely and as gingersweetgirl pointed out not really in the spirit of the game.
Not to mention that it also creates a problem with the whole storyline as Sophia can also leave the casino with Liam (hzjujk ), what happens to the debts in that case? It could be solved with just a business agreement without getting Sophia involved, but... nah!

It's likely Scenario 1 with a dash of Scenario 2.

 

[nexer]

It was Liam's idea and he pushed a little. Liam knew that only well-dressed people can enter.