VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[Bishop Robert]

I found it hard to believe to but kinda makes sense in a way, Also she has no reason to lie about it since it clearly embarresed her unless she's a master manipulater like Patrica.

I would be kinda of like to see Dylan and Ellie lose there virginity to each other since Sofia all but told her to make sure it's with a guy she loves and well she's gotta love her bro right?

I would enjoy Dylan and Ellie, I actully would like Dylan and Auntie Patricia . Never had the idea of those two until that yoga event.

 

[Bane71]

I won't pretend successful recruitment, retention & development is easy but there are a number of ways it can be done. L&P should draft a person specification for exactly the kind of Assistant he requires, then send it to me & we'll take it from there. I'm serious....advice provided gratis from someone who's recruited into 100's of roles, everything from GP's to Martial Arts Instructors. It's work but it's not rocket science.

You are absolutely right, this is not rocket science.
Unfortunately, when it comes to creative work, and this is our case, recruiting staff is a more difficult task. For rocket science you need a technician, engineer or someone else, and his moral and ethical qualities are of little importance.
In the case of the development of this game, L&P must trust the partner, delegate to him not only certain work, but also reveal creative ideas.
I suppose he has practically no leverage if his new employee discloses any details to the public ahead of time.
Understand that such an action is a very strong blow for a creative person, especially the one that L&P has shown itself to be.
It is impossible to insure against betrayal; it takes a long enough time to work together to earn trust. Exactly the time that we are so lacking!

I'm not trying to defend L&P, don't get me wrong.
I just understand him very well.
On the pages of fan art, I published my fan story about Sophia. This is just a little fan story, but you can't imagine how upset I was when the artist who drew for my story 3D renderings, without asking my permission, published them.
I have also been looking for a 3D artist to work together for over a year now, which is 1000 times easier than what L&P does, and so far all attempts to work together have been unsuccessful.

In addition, I am a manager of several business projects, I have to work with different people, different professions and qualifications.
Therefore, my experience allows me to understand L&P fairly objectively.

 

[Bane71]

Most of the time, people give themselves skills that they don't quite have.

Instead, L&P should open a skill competition to see who is capable of making a good rendering. For example, describe a situation (characters, place, time of day, event) and ask for some renderings

This is the only way to start the selection of candidates. Otherwise too many people will say : I can ! and we're all gonna waste time

Let's not forget that the main thing is to provide quickly renderings (good quality and quantity).

The management of the story falls to L&P

Then it will be the personality, who is motivated enough? able to understand and follow instructions ? And a trustworthy person of course.

Yes, that's right! But who told us that he doesn't?

 

[Jude6]

... how did you decide the order for characters on the same level?

It was random-ish.
I listed all the characters I could think of who have properly interacted with Sophia, so you could say it's in order of characters whose scenes were most memorable to me. Then re-ordered according to level, then I re-positioned the women to spread them out more because it looks better.

You don't have to be on Dylan's path in order to set him up with Emma (as far as I know)...

Unfortunately you do.
I wasn't able to find exactly what the cut-off point is but Sophia doesn't get the option to set them up if she hasn't had a few scenes of Dylan making horny demands of her.
I was trying to assemble a 'Good Wife who plays match-maker for her kids' playthrough but couldn't set Emma & Dylan up without going down a ways into the Dylan path - I do know you have to get at least as far as the 'Bikini Deal' scene with Dylan for Emma to be an option... by then I got tired of the repeated roll-back, replay and gave up.

Thanks for the graph! I missed the numbers for better orientation and added them...

You're welcome, I like the way you laid out the numbers, that didn't occur to me.
I'd been wanting to put the numbers directly on the pie but couldn't think of a way to lay them out that didn't make it look messy.

Ivan doesn't touch/grope her.

Yeah, fortuna95 is correct. The segment turns black once they have achieved that task.
There may actually be some wrong on there though, I kept having to check and re-check because I couldn't keep the 'Up to level' or 'Including level' straight while I was doing it.

...
So who could be the first?
An experienced man who will be able to make her come, hold out long enough to give her one or more orgasms.
...

This is a good point too.
Sophia's first real acts of adultery would have to be positive & physically rewarding to convince her that it was worthwhile and worth repeating with others.
Although the independence of some of the available routes does squash this a little bit.

So far the main quality we've seen consistently in all potential Male LI's starts and ends with Has a bigger dick than Liam (Dylan, Zac, Clark, Mr. Bennett, DeShawn, Logan & his bros)

 

[Hlextor]

Ok. I don't dispute you love Dylan and you think he walks on water. Bottom line, you want him to stick it to Sophia. Everyone has a favorite. The big picture is that everyone somehow hopes Sophia will get the soul breaking orgasms she deserves. All agree. The young, the old, all men and women, gay or straight, this includes extra terrestrials in all other galaxies... and most especially Sophia. She is the Center of our universe here. Everyone definitely does not want this game to be abandoned.

I have been able to separate out what you wish Dylan to be and what he actually is. Those two things are drastically different. I am only stating truth and following the facts. Just desperately trying to save others from drowning in Dylan induced traumas of frustration. Forgive me for getting emotional when he threatens the future of the game and delays the updates.

I don't hate you or others who sympathize with your emotion. I feel for you because Dylan Mind fcks with those who listen to him. What pisses me off is that he is such a cockblocker. This is purely based on his underhanded and deceitful ways he has Fck'd with everyone on this thread and L&P. Dylan milks your sympathies with his manipulations. After a year of this, I have accepted you don't see it that way. I have never attacked you or tried to rub it in when the truth was exposed on the points I had been saying previously. In fact, after Dylan's big reveal in boarding school, I went silent for well over 6 months. I Had sympathy. I let you have your time to heal and come to terms with what he was really like.

My honest advise is this. Somehow imagine Zach or Sam as Sophia's. You pick. Convince yourself somehow this is true. Then you got a shot with what you wish. Hell, Sophia wishes that Sam was hers already. Dylan can never happen. It is a trap. If the trap is sprung, then the universe ends.

Well, a little thickly applied. I'm not that in love with Dylan. Well, I favor him, yes. But I play all the paths so far. What I don't play or what I cancel is Cuckold with Dylan (NTR is out of the question for me), Bennet and I think also Aiden. I'm not sure about Sam!
I feel Sam is extremely doubtful as Dylan's friend. He's lusting after his mom, saying that he thinks she's really fucking awesome and his look says that he wants to fuck her. It's obvious that Dylan resists this.
And then he pretends to be innocent with Sophia. It feels so calculating to me. Not a good character for me, right? But I'm not calling him a piece of shit or anything like that. I know there are a lot of Sam fans here. And accept them. That's the difference. It's always the same guys here who denigrate Dylan. And that's annoying. That's all it is. You can also criticize diplomatically without being abusive.

 

[Cold brew]

You are absolutely right, this is not rocket science.
Unfortunately, when it comes to creative work, and this is our case, recruiting staff is a more difficult task. For rocket science you need a technician, engineer or someone else, and his moral and ethical qualities are of little importance.
In the case of the development of this game, L&P must trust the partner, delegate to him not only certain work, but also reveal creative ideas.
I suppose he has practically no leverage if his new employee discloses any details to the public ahead of time.
Understand that such an action is a very strong blow for a creative person, especially the one that L&P has shown itself to be.
It is impossible to insure against betrayal; it takes a long enough time to work together to earn trust. Exactly the time that we are so lacking!

I'm not trying to defend L&P, don't get me wrong.
I just understand him very well.
On the pages of fan art, I published my fan story about Sophia. This is just a little fan story, but you can't imagine how upset I was when the artist who drew for my story 3D renderings, without asking my permission, published them.
I have also been looking for a 3D artist to work together for over a year now, which is 1000 times easier than what L&P does, and so far all attempts to work together have been unsuccessful.

In addition, I am a manager of several business projects, I have to work with different people, different professions and qualifications.
Therefore, my experience allows me to understand L&P fairly objectively.

I agree. I won't get too much into my past experiences but yeah, I agree. In short, it is not just how great they are at a technical thing or specialty. Do they relate with right set of "soft skills". That is absolutely critical to match up. Without it there is no teamwork. While nobody is perfect, the vampires are real. Their only objective is to drain and kill you while they take what they can to feed their ambition and ego. L&P's situation is really difficult. Deep into it and on an island alone. I get it. L&P has to trust the gut and hopefully have a supportive peer group at the minimum. Nobody should work with someone with no trust or that's not worthy.

 

[Cold brew]

Well, a little thickly applied. I'm not that in love with Dylan. Well, I favor him, yes. But I play all the paths so far. What I don't play or what I cancel is Cuckold with Dylan (NTR is out of the question for me), Bennet and I think also Aiden. I'm not sure about Sam!
I feel Sam is extremely doubtful as Dylan's friend. He's lusting after his mom, saying that he thinks she's really fucking awesome and his look says that he wants to fuck her. It's obvious that Dylan resists this.
And then he pretends to be innocent with Sophia. It feels so calculating to me. Not a good character for me, right? But I'm not calling him a piece of shit or anything like that. I know there are a lot of Sam fans here. And accept them. That's the difference. It's always the same guys here who denigrate Dylan. And that's annoying. That's all it is. You can also criticize diplomatically without being abusive.

That is an interesting perspective on Sam. I get where you are coming from. I view Sophia is a force of nature. There is really not much control from many when it comes to her.

 

[Adolfo]

Three important news. Probably the week between the 12 and 13 days will dissapear. Only a new pic (and last before the update) will be post but about Aiden's event, not Dylan's event to prevent problems. And last, he will take off the soccer team coaching, but LP have said that could make a dlc for that event.

 

[Scarlet56]

Update v0.115, and especially the dream sex scene with Larry but also the way that Sophia was looking at DeShawn's cock in the sauna, did feel as if things were beginning to accelerate. (To the extent some were concerned might even be moving too fast too soon given the previous story).

We will be able to guess more clearly after we have seen update v0.130 next month. Will the afternoon's events continue the progress glimpsed in the morning? With Sam's concert to come in the evening. I am hoping this Playable Day will in hindsight be the pivotal day when things started accelerating in the direction we all hope that Sophia will get too soon.

But at the moment - hope is all it is, as I am trying to keep my expectations in check. I suspect my interpretation of a "Hot Event" is wildly different to L&P's.

But day 13 is mostly Dylan:
IMO, day 13 will be a break day on Sophia's sexual advancement (towards men anyway)

 

[Bane71]

Three important news. Probably the week between the 12 and 13 days will dissapear. Only a new pic (and last before the update) will be post but about Aiden's event, not Dylan's event to prevent problems. And last, he will take off the soccer team coaching, but LP have said that could make a dlc for that event.

He won't give Sofia a coaching job !?
In terms of time, we are saving something.
But in terms of eroticism and plot, we lose pictures when young athletic boys admire Sofia and dream of having sex with her.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

When will be the next update?

tomorrow

 

[nexer]

He won't give Sofia a coaching job !?
In terms of time, we are saving something.
But in terms of eroticism and plot, we lose pictures when young athletic boys admire Sofia and dream of having sex with her.

Coaching event was tied to Aiden, because without Dylan and Zac L&P had to bring in other characters. Plus, you have Aiden's tasks yes/no . A lot of work for a Dylan+Zac centered event.
He could replace it with an afternoon in her own pool with Dylan and Zac together because the coaching event was with both of them.

 

[dian091]

tom

tomorrow

While I know better, I hadn't looked in a few days and was saddened to see L&P was still at 75/75

 

[Bane71]

Coaching event was tied to Aiden, because without Dylan and Zac L&P had to bring in other characters. Plus, you have Aiden's tasks yes/no . A lot of work for a Dylan+Zac centered event.
He could replace it with an afternoon in her own pool with Dylan and Zac together because the coacheing event was with both of them.

I have not seen the connection between Sofia's coaching work and Aiden.
But I have studied the L&P post, coaching will take place as a small bonus line or something like that.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Well, a little thickly applied. I'm not that in love with Dy

Well, a little thickly applied. I'm not that in love with Dylan. Well, I favor him, yes. But I play all the paths so far. What I don't play or what I cancel is Cuckold with Dylan (NTR is out of the question for me), Bennet and I think also Aiden. I'm not sure about Sam!
I feel Sam is extremely doubtful as Dylan's friend. He's lusting after his mom, saying that he thinks she's really fucking awesome and his look says that he wants to fuck her. It's obvious that Dylan resists this.
And then he pretends to be innocent with Sophia. It feels so calculating to me. Not a good character for me, right? But I'm not calling him a piece of shit or anything like that. I know there are a lot of Sam fans here. And accept them. That's the difference. It's always the same guys here who denigrate Dylan. And that's annoying. That's all it is. You can also criticize diplomatically without being abusive.

I too feel exactly the way you do about this. I don't like Dylan but still favour him but for Sam my thoughts are exactly like yours. Infact I have mentioned it before as well. Sam really is playing it cunningly. He wants to do everything that Dylan wants to, only difference is he doesn't openly say it to Sophia and is trying to get emotionally closer to her.

 

[Scarlet56]

I too feel exactly the way you do about this. I don't like Dylan but still favour him but for Sam my thoughts are exactly like yours. Infact I have mentioned it before as well. Sam really is playing it cunningly. He wants to do everything that Dylan wants to, only difference is he doesn't openly say it to Sophia and is trying to get emotionally closer to her.

But Sam has an advantage over Dylan, he has the license, a car and the same interest in music as Sophia.
I think Sam is the love route.

 

[hzjujk]

I won't pretend successful recruitment, retention & development is easy but there are a number of ways it can be done. L&P should draft a person specification for exactly the kind of Assistant he requires, then send it to me & we'll take it from there. I'm serious....advice provided gratis from someone who's recruited into 100's of roles, everything from GP's to Martial Arts Instructors. It's work but it's not rocket science.

Hiring someone for a job is rocket science. Anyone who has ever had job interviews knows that! And the smaller a company is, the more fatal wrong decisions are.
And I'll repeat it one more time. Why should L&P hire someone for something he obviously enjoys and means a lot. Just so we can get fap material faster? He seems to be getting along well with what money he's been making so far.

 

[Sabertooth__]

But Sam has an advantage over Dylan, he has the license, a car and the same interest in music as Sophia.
I think Sam is the love route.

To me Sam is just another perv who is good in everyone's eyes but in secret has all the depraved fantasies one could imagine. So I don't see him as the love route.

 

[hzjujk]

In order for Dylan to have sex with Sophia, not only doe she need to be corrupted but I think there needs to be an additional push. We know that there's a cuckold element to Dylan's story, so I wonder if him watching/catching Sophia having sex with someone else will give him the opening. Not in a blackmail way, but in a "Oh no, Dylan saw me with Sam. Maybe I need to make him happy so he keeps his mouth shut."

I don't know. While I know it's going to happen for sure, I can't come up with a scenario in which it feels natural. I think the time jumps are going to be really important for Dylan, especially if it provides L&P the opportunity to fill in story elements that will advance their relationship. If the game was only 30 CONSECUTIVE days, I don't think Dylan would have a shot. So Dylan's relationship with Sophia needs to take some big steps and the time jumps can help with that.

Hopefully it doesn't happen that way. It would be forced sex again. Sophia would do it and at the same time hate herself for it.
But what if both of them recognize events through the Aiden that they are / share the same fetishes. What if Dylan, to my surprise, already finds out about Sophia's meeting with Aiden and, having grown suspicious, wants to ask her to speak and then spy on her. An agreement could be reached in which both parties participate. Sophia could go even further with the events under Dylan's "protection" than without his presence. That's a lot harder to write that I know, watching the Mother / Son conversations. But definitely more erotic than this sympathetic sex.

 

[Catherine1972]

To me Sam is just another perv who is good in everyone's eyes but in secret has all the depraved fantasies one could imagine. So I don't see him as the love route.

IMO, I find that two things are mixed up.

Sophia's students, and even more Dylan, Sam and Aiden, are young pervs by their age, their taste for MILFs or their attitude towards Sophia. They seek to subdue, to always obtain more from a woman who would be inaccessible.
For love, it's something else. Between filial love and love for someone other than Liam, Sophia doesn't seem ready to tell the difference. Or falling in love to fuck is not the order of the day.