VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[armion82]

The update 0.6 better have 300-400 renders or more man, i missed those large amount of renders :/ 0.5 had 298 and 0.55 had less than 100 :/
Also i think he said he gonna tell release date on friday, so shouldnt be long

0.060 is the second part of the day that started in 0.055 and will be around 70 renders.

 

[tigers]

0.060 is the second part of the day that started in 0.055 and will be around 70 renders.

Fuck are you serious? :/ I know about the day part but only 70??

 

[DrDougDoesDOS]

Dam...It's like nobody's eaten any Pizza for a month and someone ordered a delivery, but know one knows how much, what, or when so everyone's craving into a frenzy so much they're imagining that door bell ringing. I think I can smell the Pepperoni coming. Come on L&P save us penedeyewink:

 

[solid_snake]

Dam...It's like nobody's eaten any Pizza for a month and someone ordered a delivery, but know one knows how much, what, or when so everyone's craving into a frenzy so much they're imagining that door bell ringing. I think I can smell the Pepperoni coming. Come on L&P save us penedeyewink:

They all forgot that the dude took a few weeks off (because if you are the one and only person for everything, you need some down time at least once per year). Even if he made a full tutorial while he was away these past few pages feel like the author disappeared and was MIA for a year or two, but the money was still funneling to him to do absolutely nothing whatsoever.

I love these kind of threads <3
-S

 

[armion82]

They all forgot that the dude took a few weeks off (because if you are the one and only person for everything, you need some down time at least once per year). Even if he made a full tutorial while he was away these past few pages feel like the author disappeared and was MIA for a year or two, but the money was still funneling to him to do absolutely nothing whatsoever.

I love these kind of threads <3
-S

Probably the problem is that he needed to split the update on two.And the usualy normal size update turn to take 2 months and be with less renders.Unless 0.060 is suddenly more than 200 renders.

 

[solid_snake]

Probably the problem is that he needed to split the update on two.And the usualy normal size update turn to take 2 months and be with less renders.Unless 0.060 is suddenly more than 200 renders.

OK
So I just looked:
Version 0.4: 2754 images
Version 0.5: 2924 images
Version 0.55: 3027 images

He also

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that version 0.5 would be rushed to push the story along. Quoting:

That's why the next update will be as rapid and short as possible. It'll be the entire playable day 6 and I think highly probable it won't even have 100 renders, just to speed it extremely up. So, it's not a promise, but if I'll start with the development of the next version on Thursday 21, then I could be finished with it in about 2,5 weeks and finally start with the more interesting and lucid game parts. Actually even this update has also practically no really "unimportant" renders! The scenes are going much smoother and quicker in each other now!

I also decided to dig through Patreon for a little bit of history. Fortunately for us all, he writes how many renders were for each release.
Version 0.2, posted Feb. 4th: 1578 pictures
Version 0.25, posted March 9th: 250+ renders
Version 0.3, posted April 25th: Almost 500 new renders
Version 0.4, posted Jun 18th: 377 new renders
Version 0.5, posted Jul 16th: Almost 200 new renders
Version 0.55, posted August 7th: 102 new renders.

And after that he went for vacation. Working vacations, from what I had seen in his response:

While he was absent, he was still attending the project, and not to mention he also released the

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(at the time of writing that's 0.55)

It's clear that his returning back to the project and posting teasers for the upcoming update is clear sign to abandon ship. Because at this point, what is he going to do? Inform someone that's asking in the commentary section about the progress?

Awshi—
Well, that's it. A clear indication the project is completely dead. All the hopes and dreams for some form of update are now gone.
RIP.

(In case you can't tell that was a massive sarcasm).
-S

 

[Lukasz1]

you're screwed in with a robin hood :FuckYea:

 

[bobbo69]

OK
So I just looked:
Version 0.4: 2754 images
Version 0.5: 2924 images
Version 0.55: 3027 images

He also

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that version 0.5 would be rushed to push the story along. Quoting:


I also decided to dig through Patreon for a little bit of history. Fortunately for us all, he writes how many renders were for each release.
Version 0.2, posted Feb. 4th: 1578 pictures
Version 0.25, posted March 9th: 250+ renders
Version 0.3, posted April 25th: Almost 500 new renders
Version 0.4, posted Jun 18th: 377 new renders
Version 0.5, posted Jul 16th: Almost 200 new renders
Version 0.55, posted August 7th: 102 new renders.

And after that he went for vacation. Working vacations, from what I had seen in his response:

While he was absent, he was still attending the project, and not to mention he also released the

You must be registered to see the links

(at the time of writing that's 0.55)

It's clear that his returning back to the project and posting teasers for the upcoming update is clear sign to abandon ship. Because at this point, what is he going to do? Inform someone that's asking in the commentary section about the progress?

Awshi—
Well, that's it. A clear indication the project is completely dead. All the hopes and dreams for some form of update are now gone.
RIP.

(In case you can't tell that was a massive sarcasm).
-S

Makes sense, but I still refuse to believe it, worst thing is if it's true, you'll probably turn around and say what I hate the most: I told you so

 

[TheFapperBoy]

I think that both sides of the argument have some very valid points, and criticisms. You can't fault a developer for wanting to tell a story. That's why I think that @Lust&Passion should have never switched from big, detailed updates, to smaller, monthly updates. When that switch happened, the game has been on a steady decline. Every update always leaves something more to be desired, and not in a good way. I always feel that there's something missing from my plate.

But, on the flip side... I think there's something to be said about the structure of the narrative. What if we still had those big updates every 3-4 months, but we still ended up in the same position? Think about the past few updates, and how dull, and uninspired some of the events have been. Since the games inception, the most exciting things to happen are the guitar lesson, the blowjob on the good wife path, the shower scene with Sophia's sister, and Sophia masturbating on the couch. Everything else is mild teasing at best. Nothing to really sink your teeth into. It's too much fluff, and not enough meat.

These small events, and the short updates are the worst possible combination a developer could do.

The game is written in a way where there's a lot of set-up... AND THAT'S FINE! That's perfectly fine. There needs to be more games like that... BUT! When each update is set-up... and more set-up... and more set-up... and more set-up... and more set-up... and more set-up... and more set-up... and more set-up... and more set-up... and more set-up... and more set-up... and more set-up... OH! SOMETHING HAPPENED! and more set-up... and more set-up... and more set-up... and more set-up... and more set-up... and more set-up...

 

[Arzies]

Normally I don't fuck all the characters in porn games. I usually prefer certain characters over others because of their looks, personality and so on. But in this game, I can't wait any LONGER!!!. I will fuck anyone that comes in my way whether it is my family members, neighbours, colleagues or any random strangers.

Yeah! That's hotter than the incest route.

 

[lesbiaN7ncest]

L&P has reduced the required amount of filthy points, so you can easily skip particular scenes or side characters and still have more than enough points.

Not really. In fact, not at all. Believe me, I did some pretty thorough tests. You can find them and the initial results here:

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and then what's actually required for you to pursue Ellie and Patricia here:

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Long story short, you can't even come close to attaining either Ellie or Patricia without either chasing the two boys or every other piece of dick thrown at you. It's as simple as that. And as I've stated many times, it snowballs extremely quickly, so as soon as you're even remotely short on points and don't meet the requirements, you can never make up for it and fall more and more behind faster and faster.

If he reduced the Filthy points, then he reduced them from completely nut-house worthy insane to merely stupidly insane. Given his comments too it's pretty clear that what he meant and what he stated with regards to this are two different things, though that may be down to English not being his first language. He made it sound like he'd reduced the Filthy requirement(s) for several scenes with later updates but he didn't at all as the requirements have been consistently the same when it comes to the offending moments (i.e. he made it sound like in the latest update the Ellie Filthy points requirement was going to be lower for the dressing room scene, but it was still the same). What he actually seems to have meant is that he's lowered the total Filthy points overall. This is evident from his response later on the same page to my criticism(s) of his game's design.

I'm not sure who gets it worse either. Patricia's is very bad because you just can't access scenes to get Patricia points at all rather quickly unless you act like a slut early, while Ellie's is also bad because you think you're doing well with her for the longest time if you're just going for girls, with no barriers at all during most of her key scenes (for example, there's no Filthy points needed at all to rub lotion into her when she's one bikini item away from being naked) but then you suddenly get hit with a massive, blindsiding 21 Filthy points in the dressing room, for a scene where Sophia can simply tell her she looks attractive/sexy in her underwear.

Sorry, but it's just bad game design. Pure and simple. It's inconsistent and illogical. Made even worse by the fact that in Ellie's case the initial parts string you along quite willingly to make it seem like a character is possible, only to rip the rug out from under your feet suddenly later on. And in Patricia's case you just straight up miss scenes and points with her that you might not even be aware of unless you also do a full Filthy playthrough, since many of her scenes give you no prompt or direct indication that you failed, but are simply bypassed automatically. Two different cases of bad design right there both stemming from the same issue.

 

[*Dreamer*]

Not really. In fact, not at all. Believe me, I did some pretty thorough tests. You can find them and the initial results here:

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and then what's actually required for you to pursue Ellie and Patricia here:

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Long story short, you can't even come close to attaining either Ellie or Patricia without either chasing the two boys or every other piece of dick thrown at you. It's as simple as that. And as I've stated many times, it snowballs extremely quickly, so as soon as you're even remotely short on points and don't meet the requirements, you can never make up for it and fall more and more behind faster and faster.

If he reduced the Filthy points, then he reduced them from completely nut-house worthy insane to merely stupidly insane. Given his comments too it's pretty clear that what he meant and what he stated with regards to this are two different things, though that may be down to English not being his first language. He made it sound like he'd reduced the Filthy requirement(s) for several scenes with later updates but he didn't at all as the requirements have been consistently the same when it comes to the offending moments (i.e. he made it sound like in the latest update the Ellie Filthy points requirement was going to be lower for the dressing room scene, but it was still the same). What he actually seems to have meant is that he's lowered the total Filthy points overall. This is evident from his response later on the same page to my criticism(s) of his game's design.

I'm not sure who gets it worse either. Patricia's is very bad because you just can't access scenes to get Patricia points at all rather quickly unless you act like a slut early, while Ellie's is also bad because you think you're doing well with her for the longest time if you're just going for girls, with no barriers at all during most of her key scenes (for example, there's no Filthy points needed at all to rub lotion into her when she's one bikini item away from being naked) but then you suddenly get hit with a massive, blindsiding 21 Filthy points in the dressing room, for a scene where Sophia can simply tell her she looks attractive/sexy in her underwear.

Sorry, but it's just bad game design. Pure and simple. It's inconsistent and illogical. Made even worse by the fact that in Ellie's case the initial parts string you along quite willingly to make it seem like a character is possible, only to rip the rug out from under your feet suddenly later on. And in Patricia's case you just straight up miss scenes and points with her that you might not even be aware of unless you also do a full Filthy playthrough, since many of her scenes give you no prompt or direct indication that you failed, but are simply bypassed automatically. Two different cases of bad design right there both stemming from the same issue.

I think it's the wrong distribution of points for a lesbian way (even if incest)
but so decided to Dev.
so I had to hack on filthy points from the start +30 and was able to beat the game the way I liked it. It's the only way to avoid scenes you don't like at the moment.
LesboHaremTeamUp:firstimekiss:

 

[farrah]

I think it's the wrong distribution of points for a lesbian way (even if incest)
but so decided to Dev.
so I had to hack on filthy points from the start +30 and was able to beat the game the way I liked it. It's the only way to avoid scenes you don't like at the moment.
LesboHaremTeamUp:firstimekiss:

It would be easier, if actions with the family members give to Sophia more filthy points.
LesboHaremTeamUp :heartcoveredeyes:

 

[Een Vieze Vent]

Myself and others have brought this up multiple times. I don't think he's going to change it. His logic is that for Sophia to consider her family members as an option at all given the taboo nature of it is that she needs to be filthy too, but while there may be a certain logic to that, it definitely is one of the times when realism gets in the way of gameplay IMO. Ellie and Patricia are simply not even close to possible without Sophia chasing a good portion of the dick in the game, and it all snowballs really quickly.

Rather disappointing as the game gives the illusion of having different paths, choices and partners, but is far more limited to due this restrictive dependence on the Filthy score. It also unbalances the game horribly as it makes the incest angle of her son far more viable than that of her daughter or sister, because going for him naturally gives you many filthy points, while going for girls (related or not) does not. Lesbian Temptation seems almost solely reserved for non-family members.

All in all it's a terrible system and the only real way to play is to cheat yourself Filthy points from the start.

Thanks for the reply!

I thought a bit about it and you are absolutely right, this whole filthy/good wife point bullshit should have been left out of the game at all since the beginning.

I mean he (The dev) want's us to play as Sophia, making decisions for her that will change her life depending on how WE would like to shape it. Currently it's just a mess, let's again take Dylan for example, you fucked around with him before (Letting him get a better look at you, him touching your ass on the swing etc.) and all of a sudden you come to a point where the game cockblocks you for not having enough Filthy points because you, the player, didn't want Sophia to whore herself out for the rest of the big city.

It just doesn't make any fucking sense because you as the player already allowed Sophia to let her son get closer to her on a (still smallish) taboo scale which means that Sophia herself should naturally also grow more interested in evolving things with her own son. (This applies to Ellie as well of course.) What I'm trying to say is that you (The player) are Sophia, but you aren't her at the same time because of the ridiculous point system.

So you're either forced into two routes: A - Be a good wife, love your husband and respect your family life and relationships. Or B - Become the filthiest fucking gutter-slut around the continent, suck and fuck everything that walks so you will be able to see the scenes you desire.

Or in other words: You can't make Sophia how you truly want her to be and you aren't allowed to progress her life how YOU would like to see it shape.

Anyway, thanks for reminding me to cheat to get those needed filthy points to see the scenes that I desire to see. Guess I won't be able to play it how I wanted it to play it, you know, being in 'control' of Sophia.

 

[Gregor34674]

or every other piece of dick thrown at you.

I skipped a couple of scenes like the worker guys and still had waaay more filthy points then required. I never came even close to a shortage of filthy points at all. Of course if you skip whole paths, like the boys, you may get a shortage of fitlhy points as you are not filthy at all. But saying you have to go after every dick and character is simply not true. The points where the dev should loosen up are the individual scores. Just going for dylans advice can create a shortage of ironically dylan points.
"What he actually seems to have meant is that he's lowered the total Filthy points overall."
What L&P actually wrote was:
"I already reduced the minimum filthy points for some events to 55% of the total number."
I don't really see how it is possible to interprete a reduction of total filthy points overall out of that statement.

Or B - Become the filthiest fucking gutter-slut around the continent, suck and fuck everything that walks so you will be able to see the scenes you desire.

That's a bold thesis, considering:
What you can not do on the filthy route so far:
having sex
What you can do on the filthy route so far:
going on a romantic walk in the park with your husband.

 

[Een Vieze Vent]

I skipped a couple of scenes like the worker guys and still had waaay more filthy points then required. I never came even close to a shortage of filthy points at all. Of course if you skip whole paths, like the boys, you may get a shortage of fitlhy points as you are not filthy at all. But saying you have to go after every dick and character is simply not true. The points where the dev should loosen up are the individual scores. Just going for dylans advice can create a shortage of ironically dylan points.
"What he actually seems to have meant is that he's lowered the total Filthy points overall."
What L&P actually wrote was:
"I already reduced the minimum filthy points for some events to 55% of the total number."
I don't really see how it is possible to interprete a reduction of total filthy points overall out of that statement.

That's a bold thesis, considering:
What you can not do on the filthy route so far:
having sex
What you can do on the filthy route so far:
going on a romantic walk in the park with your husband.

Point B is what I assume the game will be going forward to since I already wasn't able to see the scenes I wanted to witness thanks to the filthy/good wife point system.

Like the last Dylan scene of the build required around 21 Filthy points or something to see (Same for the Ellie changing room scene, 19 points if I remember correctly.) which I did not have because I did not want Sophia to interact with certain characters in a way that would give her Filthy points. (Sam because I don't care about the little annoying fucker, those two kids at the museum, the school principle, and that dumb hipster soyboy teacher dude are a few to name.)

But in order to be able to see those scenes I would like to see (Ellie and Dylan.) I am forced to interact with them in that way to get those required Filthy points.

You see what I'm getting at? You have to do certain things, that I don't want her to do, to see Sophia being able to progress further with certain characters which are Ellie and Dylan in my case.

Without the whole point system I would be able to progress Sophia's story the way I would like it to go. And not only me, everyone who played this could guide Sophia the way they wanted to experience all the things, and characters they are interested in.

 

[Mender2006]

Can anybody tell me exact number of points for all characters filthy path

 

[farrah]

Can anybody tell me exact number of points for all characters filthy path

Use this.

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[armion82]

I skipped a couple of scenes like the worker guys and still had waaay more filthy points then required. I never came even close to a shortage of filthy points at all. Of course if you skip whole paths, like the boys, you may get a shortage of fitlhy points as you are not filthy at all. But saying you have to go after every dick and character is simply not true. The points where the dev should loosen up are the individual scores. Just going for dylans advice can create a shortage of ironically dylan points.
"What he actually seems to have meant is that he's lowered the total Filthy points overall."
What L&P actually wrote was:
"I already reduced the minimum filthy points for some events to 55% of the total number."
I don't really see how it is possible to interprete a reduction of total filthy points overall out of that statement.

That's a bold thesis, considering:
What you can not do on the filthy route so far:
having sex
What you can do on the filthy route so far:
going on a romantic walk in the park with your husband.

You can't have sex with husband even on Good Wife route
But we realy have to wait at least 4-5 more updates before Sophia advance her relationships with others

 

[Mender2006]

Use this.

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much appreciated