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I actually liked everything (give or take) up until the most recent tutoring event. That event pushed up against the upper limit of realism and accomplished yet another high degree of teasing and seduction without compromising already established character values and beliefs. Afterward Dylan randomly gets a handjob at the dining room while everyone else just sits there...? What? The Sam event was cool with good animations and the dialogue wasn't as bad as it could've been, but this most recent event - and I am team Dylan all the way - was so corny/cheesy. Dylan has been a manipulator from day one. He basically blackmailed his mother into a photoshoot, touching her boob, ass at the beach, watching her get dressed and has kind of been a little shit - THE WHOLE GAME. Yet now he's trying to seduce and romanticize Sophia? It doesn't even fit with the previous...what...8 years of game development? Like wtf was this shit?
Dylan being a manipulator (or at least trying to be one) is perhaps one of the reasons I don't see a problem with the Twist. It fit the narrative that we've been presented so far. That Ellie is also one, and a better one at that might even be why she despises him so much (at least until the changes L&P has been making).
 

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Dylan being a manipulator (or at least trying to be one) is perhaps one of the reasons I don't see a problem with the Twist. It fit the narrative that we've been presented so far. That Ellie is also one, and a better one at that might even be why she despises him so much (at least until the changes L&P has been making).
Ellie is a good girl she shares her mom with her Girlfriend :love:
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That could be defensible, for sure, but there are so many other glaring plot holes. Here's the problem:

L&P has among, if not the, best graphics in any AVN ever. His animations are also among the best. Up until recently even his story was solid and top tier, however, that has changed DRASTICALLY. This is quickly devolving into a raunchy porno game where there's common sense and realism have no place. And you know what - that's fine. BUT the game can't take 24 weeks for 200 images if the quality of the plot is C or C+ even with A or A+ graphics. L&P is ignorant to suggestions or criticism and his treasured game/project is and will suffer progressively because of that.

A damn shame. Hopefully he lets everything unwind and Sophia starts banging the mail man next because the school janitor switched out his plumber handle with a dildo then mailed it to her. That makes about as much sense as the most recent update anyway
However, his rendering is only moderate, with unexplained off-color sidelights, overexposed light sources, and greasy graphics, which are his obvious shortcomings. And I can name 10+ games with even better rendering
 

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I see it that he was either afraid that other helpers would ruin his game or that he was just too selfish.

I have no problem with incest in a game if it's just designed for that.
But with the character of Sophia I would never allow it, that ruins everything for me.

But with this update, he's sadly made his choice to be Dylan fans. I'm sure they're the ones who pay the most.

So for me: New game, new luck.
He's effectively made Dylan the main MC & Sophia is his supporting leading lady. Given the age range that his core fans seem to have, it's not surprising that Dylan keeps topping the polls, schoolboy virgin that he is. As things have turned out it would have been better if the Dev had never included all the other routes & characters but then he wouldn't have built up the wider fanbase that he has. As it stands, many of those routes & sub-plots are dead-ends, or have been written out for all practical purposes. It's hard lines for those not into incest & also why I think AWAM needs bringing to a conclusion & a new incest-driven, Dylan-focussed, game started. Just make him the sole MC & relegate AWAM to the role of 'first attempt.' I wonder how many of the fans that are O.K. with the pace of development truly believe that event-based updates will still be appearing every c3 months, in 40 years time? They need a game with a prospect of ending before they settle down & have kids of their own & embark on a phase of life where there might not be time for 3D games.

When I started playing on PD2 a game called "A Wife and Mother," it was self-evident that only a woman can be both those things. It was correct to believe that because of this, Sophia was the MC. It's even referred to in L&P's notes to Patrons & potential subscribers as a story told from a woman's perspective. Well, 5 years later that's not strictly true. Surely only the hardest of the hardcore Dylan fans & L&P sycophants can believe that AWAM is better as a result.

It is, of course, possible to have an adult-oriented erotic story concerning incest but IMO, not with a manipulative, needy, pleading, inexperienced, man-boy, who thinks that seduction consists of drooling attention & endless compliments. That's why I hooked Dylan up with Marie in my playthrough & got him out of Sophia's hair. There's a better m/s incest story in AWAM somewhere but it's not going to be seen any time soon, if ever.
 
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He's effectively made Dylan the main MC & Sophia is his supporting leading lady. Given the age range that his core fans seem to have, it's not surprising that Dylan keeps topping the polls, schoolboy virgin that he is. As things have turned out it would have been better if the Dev had never included all the other routes & characters but then he wouldn't have built up the wider fanbase that he has. As it stands, many of those routes & sub-plots are dead-ends, or have been written out for all practical purposes. It's hard lines for those not into incest & also why I think AWAM needs bringing to a conclusion & a new incest-driven, Dylan-focussed, game started. Just make him the sole MC & relegate AWAM to the role of 'first attempt.' I wonder how many of the fans that are O.K. with the pace of development truly believe that event-based updates will still be appearing every c3 months, in 40 years time? They need a game with a prospect of ending before they settle down & have kids of their own & embark on a phase of life where there might not be time for 3D games.

When I started playing on PD2 a game called "A Wife and Mother," it was self-evident that only a woman can be both those things. It was correct to believe that because of this, Sophia was the MC. It's even referred to in L&P's notes to Patrons & potential subscribers as a story told from a woman's perspective. Well, 5 years later that's not strictly true. Surely only the hardest of the hardcore Dylan fans & L&P sycophants can believe that AWAM is better as a result.

It is, of course, possible to have an adult-oriented erotic story concerning incest but IMO, not with a manipulative, needy, pleading, inexperienced, man-boy, who thinks that seduction consists of drooling attention & endless compliments. That's why I hooked Dylan up with Marie in my playthrough & got him out of Sophia's hair. There's a better m/s incest story in AWAM somewhere but it's not going to be seen any time soon, if ever.
Speaking as someone that came to this game for the female protag and GW route, I find it telling that while I have some serious misgivings about incest, if it's done well, turns out, can actually be pretty good.

I'm enjoying how subtle Ellie is in her seduction of Sophia. First it's compliments, and getting her comfortable with it. Then come the excuses with how being naked around other women is actually pretty normal. And then, with the accidental help of Patricia, how kissing isn't a big deal.

With L&P needing to create the DoL version of AWAM, I occasionally wonder if push comes to shove, would I still enjoy the game if Ellie was just a "friend", and Patricia was a "best friend"? And the answer would be "Yeah, probably".

The question I'm curious about, is that if Dylan was just a "tenant" or "lodger" or whatever like is likely required for a Steam release, would those with the Sophia and Dylan pic in their signature still support the route? With how idiotic the plot is lately, and how blatant his original goals of realism and class are just being pissed on?
 

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I had first thought of Sophia performing as a stripper with a mask, but even with her face covered, the boys would recognise Sophia as Dylan's mother.
Sofia's performance in a mask in a striptease at a birthday party can be secretly agreed in advance with Dylan (and with his consent - with Sam), by analogy with a bikini show. That would be interesting.
 
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OH believe me. That rat L&P is certainly active on this forum. Whole story of this update was clearly discussed on this forum and it has exactly played out like that, so much for creativity and being realistic. It was already discussed here well in advance as to how Sophia will dress skimpy in front of Liam's boss to despise him, how Liam would interrupt the moment b/w Sophia and Dylan. How the excuse to not go for the date night would be a football game. Almost all of the story has been discussed here on the forum by members. Either he is lifting up story ideas from here or he is becoming too predictable and has nothing new to offer:p. Only Sophia's disclosure of her past and her confronting Dylan seem to be new addition to the story line.

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Story- 3/10.
Maybe it's not bad? The collective mind offers options for the development of the plot, and the LP selects and turns them into a game. Or implements its own scenario. This is a beneficial symbiosis for everyone. LP even wrote something about reducing unnecessary paths. Maybe he heard it from someone?
 
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I actually liked everything (give or take) up until the most recent tutoring event. That event pushed up against the upper limit of realism and accomplished yet another high degree of teasing and seduction without compromising already established character values and beliefs. Afterward Dylan randomly gets a handjob at the dining room while everyone else just sits there...? What? The Sam event was cool with good animations and the dialogue wasn't as bad as it could've been, but this most recent event - and I am team Dylan all the way - was so corny/cheesy. Dylan has been a manipulator from day one. He basically blackmailed his mother into a photoshoot, touching her boob, ass at the beach, watching her get dressed and has kind of been a little shit - THE WHOLE GAME. Yet now he's trying to seduce and romanticize Sophia? It doesn't even fit with the previous...what...8 years of game development? Like wtf was this shit?
Seduce/romanticize... no manipulation... really? People are so eager so see incoherences everywhere :rolleyes:

It's totally manipulation from the beginning to the end.
- You said he "blackmailed her into a photoshoot". The way he drags her into the bath session isn't that different.
- If he rejects Marie/Christine, he still says he has a potential girlfriend to get his kissing training. A total lie (and it's not a bug). Even in the 2 other situations, we saw with Marie that he's not that shy/insecure.
- When he removes his trunks to force things ("Eh Mom, look at my dick! Everyone naked!" ... how romantic :love:)
- When he uses her old photoshoot to get more...

That's what you call a romantic evening? From Sophia's POV maybe but from Dylan's, there is manipulation all the way. That doesn't mean he don't want to have some romantic time with her but he tells her what he thinks she needs to hear to get what he wants.
 

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Seduce/romanticize... no manipulation... really? People are so eager so see incoherences everywhere :rolleyes:

It's totally manipulation from the beginning to the end.
- You said he "blackmailed her into a photoshoot". The way he drags her into the bath session isn't that different.
- If he rejects Marie/Christine, he still says he has a potential girlfriend to get his kissing training. A total lie (and it's not a bug). Even in the 2 other situations, we saw with Marie that he's not that shy/insecure.
- When he removes his trunks to force things ("Eh Mom, look at my dick! Everyone naked!" ... how romantic :love:)
- When he uses her old photoshoot to get more...

That's what you call a romantic evening? From Sophia's POV maybe but from Dylan's, there is manipulation all the way. That doesn't mean he don't want to have some romantic time with her but he tells her what he thinks she needs to hear to get what he wants.

It's totally manipulation from the beginning to the end.
- You said he "blackmailed her into a photoshoot". The way he drags her into the bath session isn't that different.

  • It was manipulation to get her into the bathtub.
- If he rejects Marie/Christine, he still says he has a potential girlfriend to get his kissing training. A total lie (and it's not a bug). Even in the 2 other situations, we saw with Marie that he's not that shy/insecure.
  • This is where he loses the reader because Christine is mentioned at the novel's beginning and Marie after that. To use Christine, as he described in the walkthrough, was ridiculous. If the reader hadn't opened Christine or Marie's path, he should have used a different name like Sara, Heather, etc... instead of Christine, that isn't Christine, but it is Christine.
  • A total lie? He confesses to Sophia that he likes her as a woman; I'm not catching the lie part here. The only lie I know about is the photoshoot from which Sophia said Liam didn't know, but he took the photos. But by chance, you're right, and it was a lie, then the writing is horrible.
  • Dylan was shy/insecure during both Marie and Christine. Here are the clues, he was uncertain how this would play out, but he took a risk.
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- When he removes his trunks to force things ("Eh Mom, look at my dick! Everyone naked!" ... how romantic :love:)
  • Yeah, this didn't make much sense to me as he jumped back into perverted Dylan for a minute, then told her he didn't want her to feel "uncomfortable."
- When he uses her old photoshoot to get more...
  • This concerns me because Part I ended in Sophia's doubt and a lie, but now that Dylan knows Liam took the photos, how will he use this during Part II? If he uses it as a manipulation tool or a trade-off, we essentially have a mini-twist, where it's no longer "Sex-Ed" but deception.
 

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This is where he loses the reader because Christine is mentioned at the novel's beginning and Marie after that. To use Christine, as he described in the walkthrough, was ridiculous. If the reader hadn't opened Christine or Marie's path, he should have used a different name like Sara, Heather, etc... instead of Christine, that isn't Christine, but it is Christine.
That's what I told to L&P. He should have chosen another name or at least add a Dylan's thought line where he explains he chose the first name that crossed his mind, or something like that.

A total lie? He confesses to Sophia that he likes her as a woman; I'm not catching the lie part here. The only lie I know about is the photoshoot from which Sophia said Liam didn't know, but he took the photos. But by chance, you're right, and it was a lie, then the writing is horrible.
I don't talk about that. If Dylan isn't on Marie/Christine path, he still says he has a potential girlfriend to help him kissing Sophia. That's where he lied.

Dylan was shy/insecure during both Marie and Christine. Here are the clues, he was uncertain how this would play out, but he took a risk.
I agree. I said "not that" unsecure. He still took the risk. Does he really need some training with his own mother that badly? I don't think so, but training isn't his true reason.


Yeah, this didn't make much sense to me as he jumped back into perverted Dylan for a minute, then told her he didn't want her to feel "uncomfortable."
IMO, it makes sense. He isn't really in a a romantic mood. He just wants to force things and he makes a bad move here.

This concerns me because Part I ended in Sophia's doubt and a lie, but now that Dylan knows Liam took the photos, how will he use this during Part II? If he uses it as a manipulation tool or a trade-off, we essentially have a mini-twist, where it's no longer "Sex-Ed" but deception.
Can't say. I have no clue of what will happen.
 
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