VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[XaGnard]

... I've never said AWAM had to be or actually was realistic. I have said that it had a "veneer" of realism. ...

Have you forgotten what you said?!? Here is a reminder.:

It began as a Visual Novel. That's when "realism & class" were stated aims & both were apparent. It has degenerated, fairly rapidly after Dylan was made a "2nd MC," into an average teen porn game, without realism, class, or a credible story. ...

Here you are acting as if Dylan story on its own has destroyed realism in AWAM, all in complete ignorance of the fact that AWAM already contains many unrealistic elements from the very beginning. Also, Again, it's just stupid to go for realism in a porn game. This will not work because one aspect of porn is to be unrealistic exaggerated.

No matter how you look at it, AWAM was planned from the beginning as a corruption game with incest/teen content. Therefore, as one of the basic settings in this game Dylan, Ellie and Patrica are sexually interested in Sophia. Therefore, there is a class full of students, a dance group, etc.. You're walking around here, writing something about degenerated "realism & class" while you completely ignore the setting and the game's content. I don't know why, but you're making the game into something it never was, and then badmouthing the supposed transformation. That is nonsensical.

... I have never suggested exclusion of any of the kinks or fetishes present in AWAM. What would have been good would have been a far better balance of the aforesaid kinks, along with an appeal to all ages. ...

Not every kink is something for everyone, but to act as if you can read the age from a kink I think is presumptuous and nonsensical. Also, your idea that a game should have something for everyone is completely absurd. This only leads to a developer getting caught up in too many tasks (and side stories ...), and then no one gets anything out of the game, because none of the stories will ever been told to the end. Sorry, but I think you are completely wrong.

 

[tofhdns]

1. Developer: "I put realism first."
2. Critics: "Realism is collapsing."
3. Fanboys: "Why bother developers? Don't look for realism in games."

1. Early release of the game: "It is fresh because it does not target only teenage virgins."
2. Present: "This game is also being made only for teenage virgins after all."
3. Fanboys: "Why bother developers? There are no games made for all ages."

 

[Deleted member 5533454]

Progress Report Ver. 0.190.

90% - 85% - 0%
0% - 0%

Slowest things on planet earth from least to most-

That tortoise from rabbit v/s tortoise story.
Flash from Zootopia.
Snail.
THIS GAME'S PROGRESS BAR.

It is a fucking torture to see this progress bar. What's even the point? Why even bother? I would much rather have uncertainity whether or when the next update will come than seeing the progress bar like an idiot. Whatever we say about LP, he has got a shrewd way of thinking, much like a politician. Using people kinks and horniness against them. Give them enough to hang on, but not enough that they forget your value. Classic politics move.

 

[XaGnard]

1. Developer: "I put realism first."
2. Critics: "Realism is collapsing."
3. Fanboys: "Why bother developers? Don't look for realism in games."

1. Early release of the game: "It is fresh because it does not target only teenage virgins."
2. Present: "This game is also being made only for teenage virgins after all."
3. Fanboys: "Why bother developers? There are no games made for all ages."

Funny, but unfortunately stupid, because there are no realistic porn games. Expecting a realistic porn game is about as stupid as ordering hot ice cream. It is a contradiction in terms.

So let's get this straight: Anyone who demands realism from L&P or other porn game developers really doesn't understand what makes this kind of game work. Realism would mean that ultimately nothing happens, except maybe that Sophia has sex with Liam. That is why I say ...

4. Normal Player: "Why not just play the game or if you don't like it find something else?"

To think that AWAM will change the principles of porn games is just silly. No matter what L&P or some critics here say. We had several years of slow burn now, at some point the mid game has to start. The hope should be that AWAM picks up even more speed over time. This whining about realism is just ridiculous.

 

[141191]

You do realize that Dylan is Sophia's son, right?

 

[Deleted member 3218369]

Come on LP drop a last hot teaser

 

[Awamboy]

The relationship between Dylan and Sophia is actually soo cute

Let's go from cute to hot dang!

 

[palmtrees89]

Realism would mean that ultimately nothing happens, except maybe that Sophia has sex with Liam.

You must live an extremely sheltered life if you truly believe that this is what realism means.

 

[ancienregimele]

Have you forgotten what you said?!? Here is a reminder.:



Here you are acting as if Dylan story on its own has destroyed realism in AWAM, all in complete ignorance of the fact that AWAM already contains many unrealistic elements from the very beginning. Also, Again, it's just stupid to go for realism in a porn game. This will not work because one aspect of porn is to be unrealistic exaggerated.

No matter how you look at it, AWAM was planned from the beginning as a corruption game with incest/teen content. Therefore, as one of the basic settings in this game Dylan, Ellie and Patrica are sexually interested in Sophia. Therefore, there is a class full of students, a dance group, etc.. You're walking around here, writing something about degenerated "realism & class" while you completely ignore the setting and the game's content. I don't know why, but you're making the game into something it never was, and then badmouthing the supposed transformation. That is nonsensical.




Not every kink is something for everyone, but to act as if you can read the age from a kink I think is presumptuous and nonsensical. Also, your idea that a game should have something for everyone is completely absurd. This only leads to a developer getting caught up in too many tasks (and side stories ...), and then no one gets anything out of the game, because none of the stories will ever been told to the end. Sorry, but I think you are completely wrong.

Enjoy your game. I'm done debating with you, not because I'm wrong but because it's become circular & thus unproductive. I've got good reasons for what I say but F95 is not the place for academic analyses or statistics, much less rough psychological profiling. Your manner of addressing the issues under discussion has become more inclined towards personal scorn, which I would not accept face-to-face, which I won't spend valuable moments countering time & again on line & which I tend to associate more with some of the immature sycophants on this thread, with their facepalming proclivities.

As for my POV, there was a game, or rather VN, that I enjoyed but which now only caters to a set clientele, to which I don't belong. Incest lovers & fans of average teen porn will be & are being well served....disregarding the time factor. It is surely a time for celebration for a good many fans. L&P won't go back to producing anything other than what is currently being slowly rolled out. There hasn't been anything to play for over a year for anyone not included in the above categories. Escapism & quality renders brought me to AWAM, by chance, over 5 years ago. That's a long enough time to be able to recognise a marked decline, combined with a radical change of emphasis.

That doesn't necessarily mean I'm going away, there'll still be some good renders, just nothing in any story arc outside of the Dev's chosen, (unappealing to me), limited paths.

 

[tofhdns]

Funny, but unfortunately stupid, because there are no realistic porn games. Expecting a realistic porn game is about as stupid as ordering hot ice cream. It is a contradiction in terms.

So let's get this straight: Anyone who demands realism from L&P or other porn game developers really doesn't understand what makes this kind of game work. Realism would mean that ultimately nothing happens, except maybe that Sophia has sex with Liam. That is why I say ...

4. Normal Player: "Why not just play the game or if you don't like it find something else?"

To think that AWAM will change the principles of porn games is just silly. No matter what L&P or some critics here say. We had several years of slow burn now, at some point the mid game has to start. The hope should be that AWAM picks up even more speed over time. This whining about realism is just ridiculous.

Frustrating and annoying...


First, realism isn't something the players demand, it's something LP proclaims.
If you want to criticize realism, you can ask LP.

Second, realism in novels, movies, or games does not refer to the real reality.

It feels so bad to even have to have a discussion about this.

You are like a child who argues, "There is no sea in my house, so I'll do it my way" to someone who tells you, "Draw the sun above and the sea below."

I've already said that the slow pace of this game is because it doesn't adhere to "the developer said" realism.

I've already said that if LP planned the storyline for Dylan going into a nightclub, he shouldn't have set Dylan up as a loser in the first place.

A woman enters Sam's room, takes off her clothes, and masturbates, but Sam becomes impotent.

I'm not saying Sophia shouldn't have sex.

Quite the opposite.


You say, "No hot ice cream."

No one ever said wanted hot ice cream.

Dylan, who was a brat until yesterday, suddenly knows about restaurants, nightclubs, rooftop shelters, etc., and leading Sofia, is 'hot ice cream'.


Many people want Sophia and Dylan to move into Dylan's room after the nightclub and rooftop shelter.

If the events had taken place in Dylan's room after the bathtub scene from the beginning, it would have been simpler, faster and more realistic.

I feel like I'm sitting down with a little kid and saying, "The reality isn't like that. You'll find out when you grow up."


Have you never heard of realism in your life?
Teachers don't teach?

 

[Nick198]

I'm not looking forward to this update at all. There's not even an animation update, and in a few months, the author hasn't created thousands of images. Is it worth it to fans?

 

[Nick198]

The author of Grandma's house should be asked to teach the author how to update quickly

 

[Kurious2some]

Fair enough. I won't be dead atleast

No... but the two old men probably will be...

 

[polopol2325]

I don't pay, I don't demand, I just wait....

 

[metagrossrj]

Just stumbled across this game. It's apparently six years old.
Guys, is it worth playing or will it never be finished?

 

[Chaosguy]

Just stumbled across this game. It's apparently six years old.
Guys, is it worth playing or will it never be finished?

If I was a betting man, I would say 95% it will never get completed.

 

[XaGnard]

Frustrating and annoying...
First, realism isn't something the players demand, it's something LP proclaims.
If you want to criticize realism, you can ask LP.

It is not my problem if someone is so naive and believes in L&P statements. Here I argue the statements that come from people in this forum.

Second, realism in novels, movies, or games does not refer to the real reality.

It feels so bad to even have to have a discussion about this.

That's practically what I'm saying and why i use the term "real world realitic" to distinguish the requirements that I think make sense for a game, such as a story that is coherent in itself, etc.
It is me who is trying to make it clear that it is stupid to compare incest content in a game with the real world.

You are like a child who argues, "There is no sea in my house, so I'll do it my way" to someone who tells you, "Draw the sun above and the sea below."

WTF?!? I say that you should not expect too much real world realism in a porn game. In the real world, Sophia wouldn't just try out the Sybian (lesbian path), submit to Aiden's tasks (blackmail path), or teach her son to kiss properly (incest path). However, all this makes could make sense in a porn game.

BTW, I would liked to see your views about "above" and "below" reflected by Escher:

Spoiler: Escher

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

You must realize that for a porn game you have to bend reality a little. As long as something consistent comes out of it, it's a win, or can you really not understand that?

I've already said that the slow pace of this game is because it doesn't adhere to "the developer said" realism.

I've already said that if LP planned the storyline for Dylan going into a nightclub, he shouldn't have set Dylan up as a loser in the first place.

Well, Dylan was a loser. In the meantime he's been to the hairdresser and had two days of martial arts training. He's just a different person now. My goodness, the whole thing is a porn game. I have also written here that it would have done the story good if L&P had stretched the story out over a longer period of in game time.

Ultimately, however, you should never take a porn game too seriously. Dylan is also a smart and at least a little manipulative. In the story, it makes perfect sense that he can find a way to achieve more than he was normally expected to. Again, this is a porn game.

A woman enters Sam's room, takes off her clothes, and masturbates, but Sam becomes impotent.
I'm not saying Sophia shouldn't have sex.
Quite the opposite.

Sometimes it seems to me that for some here realism only means that L&P should write the story as they would like them to be.

You say, "No hot ice cream."

No one ever said wanted hot ice cream.

Dylan, who was a brat until yesterday, suddenly knows about restaurants, nightclubs, rooftop shelters, etc., and leading Sofia, is 'hot ice cream'.

I really wonder when you will realise that you are actually demanding real world realism from a porn game. Don't you see how nonsensical all this is?

Many people want Sophia and Dylan to move into Dylan's room after the nightclub and rooftop shelter.

If the events had taken place in Dylan's room after the bathtub scene from the beginning, it would have been simpler, faster and more realistic.

Again, in a porn game you should not expect too much real world realism. Have you forgotten, for example, the scene with the assault and the subsequent revenge with Patrica? Or what about Sophia who just tries out a sybain, gives kids a handjob, etc.? Why are you starting to wonder about Dylan going to a nightclub with Sophia? My goodness, AWAM is a porn game, the sooner you understand that, the sooner you'll find peace.

I feel like I'm sitting down with a little kid and saying, "The reality isn't like that. You'll find out when you grow up."


Have you never heard of realism in your life?
Teachers don't teach?

Again, your mistake is that you think AWAM has to compete with the real world. That is a completely insane requirement for a porn game. You are behaving like a child who does not realise that the monster in a movie does not have to scare him because it is not real. AWAM is just a game. This is something that you and a few others here should accept at some point.

 

[Bibifoc]

It is not my problem if someone is so naive and believes in L&P statements. Here I argue the statements that come from people in this forum
...

I don't necessarily agree with everything you say in general, but I admire your dedication.

 

[BulgariAMARA]

Just stumbled across this game. It's apparently six years old.
Guys, is it worth playing or will it never be finished?

If you are interested in my opinion, I will speak out.
Personally, I see a lot of games that are just beginning to be created, only the first releases have been released.
But unlike these games, AWAM has a completely independent first part. The second part has also already progressed far enough.
Therefore, I would recommend you to go through the first part of the game, there are several routes there. And then the second part. Only after that you will understand whether you are interested in the content of the game and whether you will be interested in its continuation.

 

[tofhdns]

You are wrong from the premise of the conversation.

It is not my problem if someone is so naive and believes in L&P statements. Here I argue the statements that come from people in this forum.

As I have already said, realism is not a matter of believing or not believing, but what LP declared.

The people who heard LP declared that the soccer field would be made into a diamond shape would evaluate it by looking at whether the soccer field is being made into a diamond shape.

It's absurd that this needs an explanation.

It is me who is trying to make it clear that it is stupid to compare incest content in a game with the real world.

And I didn't compare incest, neither did your initial objection.

Sometimes it seems to me that for some here realism only means that L&P should write the story as they would like them to be.

And this is your level and why I question whether a conversation is necessary.

You may be the only one who understands realism as "making it what you want it to be."

Spoiler: What game state do you want?

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

And this image you brought may be the result of your unreasonable assertion.

Anything is possible..... but confusing....... Huh?