VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I wouldn't agree with you on that. There aren't 79+ characters because he planned 79+ characters. They are there because while writing the story he might have seen that a particular characters presence in a scene is necessary. Like you questioned the need for the principal, to me it would make sense for him to be at the school, especially with Aiden's problem, Bennett's problem etc, even if he doesn't help, logically he should be there.

Scenes with dentist, firstly we don't know if there is something planned through it. It could be used in future. Secondly I have been saying this for quite some time that these kind of scenes connect you to Sophia as a person more. I could also say the scene with cheering Dylan up was not needed and similiarly many other.

But it is the culmination of all these scenes that do play a role in making us care for Sophia.
Agreed none of it increased any kind of points for Sophia but he himself has said before that he doesn't want it to be like other porn games.
In terms of sexual content almost every game surpasses Awam yet in present day it is one of the most popular games. It is the small little details about this story and characters that get everyone invested.

No one here knows how many characters he planned for because no one has seen his "script." You're speculating that he planned for 79+ characters when for all we know, he could be adding characters "on a dime." And my question is, why not take the one-and-done and replace them with more development time applied to the main LIs. Also, Here is a statement from L&P three years ago from one of his members about the characters.



He even knew then he had too many characters and plots, which is a general statement from the first sentence in his answer.

I have to look for it again, but I remember something from L&P saying that the dental scene was more of a realism scene to show the reader that she has a daily life, and it most likely won't be used again, sort of like Dylan's ninja training scene with his sensei. IMO, this was a scene that I could have done without seeing the dental office. I didn't have any breakthrough connections or moments with her getting her teeth polished.

Can the reader still connect and care for Sophia with fewer characters and scenes? IMO, you can. Does less give more? If the story is written well, then yes. He could have the same impact with Sophia with a handful of characters like Dylan, Ellie, Patricia, Alyssa, Zac, Julie, Nathalie, Liam, Carl, Neil, Amber, Andy, Cathy, Christine, Aiden, and maybe a couple more and be very effective at telling his story. More scenes don't always equal better.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

the sauna scene was a fantastic stepping stone but I agree with you that it was really badly exploited. I have always said that L&P is held back by something and this has caused the start of many interesting situations, which will then have to be eliminated (as happened for the coach's dlc)

He's held back by his writing. The scene itself was great, but the dialog was awful. We literally get a conversation that is nothing more than Sophia regurgitating facts about herself, facts that the audience is already very well aware of. We then get DeShawn regurgitating facts for Sophia. It's a rudimentary conversation and not fun. Then we get a simple text box that says "They had a very interesting conversation." This is a frustrating failure of writing. All we get is the boring part of the conversation, and then we're told they had a good conversation but we aren't shown it. That's why I felt that they had no chemistry. Sometimes two characters just don't have chemistry, for one reason or another the writer just can't make them interact in a believable way. And that's how I felt about DeShawn and Sophia, it felt like L&P was struggling to show a connection between the two of them through their dialog. Take Alyssa for example, from the second she showed up at Sophia's door there has been chemistry in their dialog. DeShawn and Sophia didn't have that. The sauna scene, for me, is a huge missed opportunity and is the biggest contrast between great images and frustrating dialog.

 

[lockerxx]

who would be her first black dick?

too bad sophie hasn´t got a black Female option:

is from jessica onell Hard News

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

A hint?
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Sam's "Penthouse?"

Me Tarzan, You Jane.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

too bad sophie hasn´t got a black Female option:
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is from jessica onell Hard News

JOHN is like the perfect game. When/if AWAM ever reaches this point with Sophia this thread may implode. During this scene in JOHN, even I was like . Porn games are complicated for me to navigate, but a hot scene is a hot scene.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

The sauna scene, for me, is a huge missed opportunity and is the biggest contrast between great images and frustrating dialog.

 

[Old Dog]

One thing is for sure, that she wouldn't have to lie about it. I mean the truth is that she went to Sam's concert with Patricia and Sam offered to drop her home since they are neighbours. Hearing Patricia was with her should be enough for Dylan. Ofcourse he would still be unhappy about Sam being with his mom but there would be no reason to doubt his own mother

Are people expecting either Dylan or Ellie to show an appearance and spoil Sam's fun?

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

One thing is for sure, that she wouldn't have to lie about it. I mean the truth is that she went to Sam's concert with Patricia and Sam offered to drop her home since they are neighbours. Hearing Patricia was with her should be enough for Dylan. Ofcourse he would still be unhappy about Sam being with his mom but there would be no reason to doubt his own mother

Are people expecting either Dylan or Ellie to show an appearance and spoil Sam's fun?

I don't expect Dylan to show up, but I could see him catching Sophia and Sam from his window. Depending on your previous choices with Dylan, I could see him enjoying the show.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I don't expect Dylan to show up, but I could see him catching Sophia and Sam from his window. Depending on your previous choices with Dylan, I could see him enjoying the show.

That would be the most logical choice since Cuckold/NTR is presented in the Pool with Sam when they learn how to swim also.

 

[nexer]

He's held back by his writing. The scene itself was great, but the dialog was awful. We literally get a conversation that is nothing more than Sophia regurgitating facts about herself, facts that the audience is already very well aware of. We then get DeShawn regurgitating facts for Sophia. It's a rudimentary conversation and not fun. Then we get a simple text box that says "They had a very interesting conversation." This is a frustrating failure of writing. All we get is the boring part of the conversation, and then we're told they had a good conversation but we aren't shown it. That's why I felt that they had no chemistry. Sometimes two characters just don't have chemistry, for one reason or another the writer just can't make them interact in a believable way. And that's how I felt about DeShawn and Sophia, it felt like L&P was struggling to show a connection between the two of them through their dialog. Take Alyssa for example, from the second she showed up at Sophia's door there has been chemistry in their dialog. DeShawn and Sophia didn't have that. The sauna scene, for me, is a huge missed opportunity and is the biggest contrast between great images and frustrating dialog.

IMO, two approaches were possible: a decent dialogue and dirty thoughts or a dialogue with many sexual innuendos. Of course, after the first, more "official" part, and after Sophia bares her breasts.

 

[Sabertooth__]

No one here knows how many characters he planned for because no one has seen his "script." You're speculating that he planned for 79+ characters when for all we know, he could be adding characters "on a dime." And my question is, why not take the one-and-done and replace them with more development time applied to the main LIs. Also, Here is a statement from L&P three years ago from one of his members about the characters.

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He even knew then he had too many characters and plots, which is a general statement from the first sentence in his answer.

I have to look for it again, but I remember something from L&P saying that the dental scene was more of a realism scene to show the reader that she has a daily life, and it most likely won't be used again, sort of like Dylan's ninja training scene with his sensei. IMO, this was a scene that I could have done without seeing the dental office. I didn't have any breakthrough connections or moments with her getting her teeth polished.

Can the reader still connect and care for Sophia with fewer characters and scenes? IMO, you can. Does less give more? If the story is written well, then yes. He could have the same impact with Sophia with a handful of characters like Dylan, Ellie, Patricia, Alyssa, Zac, Julie, Nathalie, Liam, Carl, Neil, Amber, Andy, Cathy, Christine, Aiden, and maybe a couple more and be very effective at telling his story. More scenes don't always equal better.

You did misunderstand my first line. Even I am saying that he had not planned those 79+ characters, they are added as and when he feels that there should be a character there to make the scene realistic.

The Dental scene even I say was only to add to realism nothing more. We don't realise but these subtle things subconsciously do impact us. It is these little moments that have made Sophia a character different from others.

I have always felt there was a Care in the way L&P wrote Sophia but in day 19 that is what I have found missing.

You stated a list of characters that should stay, many others here suggest some of those should also be removed. Characters like Neil, Amber and Christine are no where important as well.

The list of characters that most will agree on will hardly consist of 7-8 characters and this story can't be run just through them. There are on average 10 events a day, even if he reduces per day events that fact remains that a Dylan Ellie or Sam Scene is most likely still going to be taking place every 2nd or 3rd scene.

 

[IHATESlowburnBluBallgames]

good night kiss and everyone at home; this is the most we will get from this update.

Wait, I’m shocked, there’s no handy or roadhead in the teaser. Even Sophia fantasizing about it in the car would still be good

 

[IHATESlowburnBluBallgames]

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BLM

BBC, wasnt there one in the art class?

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

He's held back by his writing. The scene itself was great, but the dialog was awful. We literally get a conversation that is nothing more than Sophia regurgitating facts about herself, facts that the audience is already very well aware of. We then get DeShawn regurgitating facts for Sophia. It's a rudimentary conversation and not fun. Then we get a simple text box that says "They had a very interesting conversation." This is a frustrating failure of writing. All we get is the boring part of the conversation, and then we're told they had a good conversation but we aren't shown it. That's why I felt that they had no chemistry. Sometimes two characters just don't have chemistry, for one reason or another the writer just can't make them interact in a believable way. And that's how I felt about DeShawn and Sophia, it felt like L&P was struggling to show a connection between the two of them through their dialog. Take Alyssa for example, from the second she showed up at Sophia's door there has been chemistry in their dialog. DeShawn and Sophia didn't have that. The sauna scene, for me, is a huge missed opportunity and is the biggest contrast between great images and frustrating dialog.

I had also written to L&P to tell him that the scene was a fallacy, the answer was this

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I had also written to L&P to tell him that the scene was a fallacy, the answer was this

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The two steps forward, one step back approach.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I had also written to L&P to tell him that the scene was a fallacy, the answer was this

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"Colossal failure" ouch! I can't believe he even responded to you and didn't tell you to go to hell. I mean, I thought the scene was a huge missed opportunity, but damn that's harsh to write to a guy and tell him a scene is a colossal failure.

That said, that's interesting to hear that in their next meeting things will get more interesting. But will it feel natural? Will he be able to generate some chemistry? Or will it just be strictly physical attraction? If it's strictly physical attraction that's fine, but don't tell me they have chemistry without showing me.

 

[Old Dog]

I had also written to L&P to tell him that the scene was a fallacy, the answer was this

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How many times does this have to happen?
Ellie/Sophia shower scene.
A character interrupted Sophia/Tyler and now we have Sophia interrupting DeShawn/Vicky with the same old excuse from L&P that"The next meeting will be much more hotter/interesting".
He played this hand with the Alyssa/Sophia event and now with the DeShawn/Vicky event with the promise of more interesting things to come,lets hype it a bit more shall we L&P, you are really great at that.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

How many times does this have to happen?
A character interrupted Sophia/Tyler and now we have Sophia interrupting DeShawn/Vicky with the same old excuse from L&P that"The next meeting will be much more hotter/interesting".
He played this hand with the Alyssa/Sophia event and now with the DeShawn/Vicky event with the promise of more interesting things to come,lets hype it a bit more shall we L&P, you are really great at that.

Eventually he needs to pull the trigger and let something sexy play out entirely.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Eventually he needs to pull the trigger and let something sexy play out entirely.

Sexy will most likely be on the back end since he wants to keep the "anticipation" going for now.

 

[Old Dog]

Eventually he needs to pull the trigger and let something sexy play out entirely.

By the time L&P pulls the trigger Sophia's butt/breasts will be hitting the floor