VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P2 v0.225 + P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[pcaf]

My take is, if you want to be experimental and take your sweet time developing erotic scenes, learn 3D software and animations, then make the game available for free.

When you put the game behind a paywall, you're selling a product. Which means there's a certain responsibility with the money given. A certain timeliness you need to follow in delivering the said product and you must see to it that the product will see completion. It is no longer a hobby and you will invite criticism when you fail to deliver on time.

In short, not wrong to ask people to fund your hobby. But when you demand money for a product, there's accountability that comes with the money.

 

[xxxorro]

One of the most guessed development for the upcoming event is that there will be some how-to with the condoms and Sophia will show her breast (for educational purposes).

The latter has become quite a routine lately, whether because she was forced or she was willing to do so.
Let's recap all the instances where she bared her breasts (Liam scenes excluded)

PD 9
	Showing the areolas to Sam (ok, not fully)
PD 10
	Second shower with Ellie
	Showing the breasts to Dylan at the mall
	Third shower with Ellie
PD 11
	Showing the breasts to Julia and Ellie
	In the shower after yoga
	At Alyssa's trying Antonio
PD 12
	Forth shower with Ellie
	At the sauna with Vicky
	Flashing the breasts to Larry
	Showing the breasts at art class (3rd task)
PD 13
	Showing the breasts to Zac (4th task)
	Showing the breasts at the hideout

In this PD she's already done it twice (sure it depends on the choices made). If we consider the remaining events of this PD other possibilities **could likely** be:

• Tutoring job, as said, the apostles might get curious about the female body and push her to show them.
  
  
• Sam event, there have been unconfirmed rumours on the patreon page that she will be showing her breasts to Sam in a hotter event.
  
  
• Dylan/Sophia evening event(s), again since there are intel about animation being involved it's likely to be a hot event where Dylan could have a second chance to it (after the mall).

 

[karleston]

My take is, if you want to be experimental and take your sweet time developing erotic scenes, learn 3D software and animations, then make the game available for free.

When you put the game behind a paywall, you're selling a product. Which means there's a certain responsibility with the money given. A certain timeliness you need to follow in delivering the said product and you must see to it that the product will see completion. It is no longer a hobby and you will invite criticism when you fail to deliver on time.

In short, not wrong to ask people to fund your hobby. But when you demand money for a product, there's accountability that comes with the money.

Part of it is true. He is not learning any new program (based on what he is saying). It's his choices that make this game fall into this situation ( too many branches, level of details, favoring quality over content ).

Technically speaking you are not funding this project. Patreon is not a crowdfunding platform. You are supporting the author because you enjoy his work. So i guess you have the right to express your opinions yes. But demanding is a whole different story. There's no accountability whatsoever. If you don't like the current situation. You can choose to pledge for someone else.

I have a patreon. I show to people supporting me how i make product ads using 3d softwares. I get a lot of good and bad requests on what should i show next. I feel like i have the right to choose whether i should do it or not. I also learned to avoid making promises. Because most of the time. It will play against you. So i guess part of this situation is his own doing.

 

[hzjujk]

My take is, if you want to be experimental and take your sweet time developing erotic scenes, learn 3D software and animations, then make the game available for free.

When you put the game behind a paywall, you're selling a product. Which means there's a certain responsibility with the money given. A certain timeliness you need to follow in delivering the said product and you must see to it that the product will see completion. It is no longer a hobby and you will invite criticism when you fail to deliver on time.

In short, not wrong to ask people to fund your hobby. But when you demand money for a product, there's accountability that comes with the money.

Correct and very nicely formulated. But if you write this here in this forum, then I assume that you are a pirate, and therefore L&P is not obliged to you at all.
When me ask a developer or team to fund their idea I am taking a risk. Because from a promise to get any time a result I have nothing in hand. An accountability in this case can look like "Sorry, but nothing came out of the idea". But even this short apology would of course only be given to those who have provided financial support.
So if I am a supporter of an idea, let's say with 5 euros a month, that's 60 euros a year. Even if a smoker in Germany spends that in 2 to 3 days for his vice, most of us don't get the money just like that. This means that if after 2 years you realize that the developer has not reached his self-imposed goals, then everyone has to decide for himself when his pain threshold is reached and you stop the support. Common sense should help with this. The reasons for the discontinuation of support I would give on its support page also clearly to understand the developer. But this also extinguishes the direct possibilities of influence.
Now it is also legitimate and right on a pirate site like this to report his experiences to warn others who might come across this game here, that it is a risk to invest your money in something that has caused disappointment in the past. And it is also legitimate to keep renewing this warning.
But that doesn't mean that the developer owes anyone here in this forum any accountability.

 

[Mirewen]

Part of it is true. He is not learning any new program (based on what he is saying). It's his choices that make this game fall into this situation ( too many branches, level of details, favoring quality over content ).

Technically speaking you are not funding this project. Patreon is not a crowdfunding platform. You are supporting the author because you enjoy his work. So i guess you have the right to express your opinions yes. But demanding is a whole different story. There's no accountability whatsoever. If you don't like the current situation. You can choose to pledge for someone else.

I have a patreon. I show to people supporting me how i make product ads using 3d softwares. I get a lot of good and bad requests on what should i show next. I feel like i have the right to choose whether i should do it or not. I also learned to avoid making promises. Because most of the time. It will play against you. So i guess part of this situation is his own doing.

IMO supporting an artist through Patreon doesn't intitle you for anything, but an early release.
you support the artist for better tools. not to demand him working faster.
people should adjust their expectations and that doesn't mean bashing the developer for something about 'timing'.

 

[passionatefanlust]

But if you write this here in this forum, then I assume that you are a pirate

This is such a dumb take.
Plenty of users of this forum support artists on patreon.
Just because they write here it doesn't make them pirates..

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

Tutoring job, as said, the apostles might get curious about the female body and push her to show them.

It would defy any progression/corruption "logic" if she didn't. But...

 

[hzjujk]

This is such a dumb take.
Plenty of users of this forum support artists on patreon.
Just because they write here it doesn't make them pirates..

Yes, I am one of the supporters. Did you even read my post or just hiccuped.

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

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[sept0342]

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So next week for sure, I'd say early next week.

 

[palmtrees89]

Now it is also legitimate and right on a pirate site like this to report his experiences to warn others who might come across this game here, that it is a risk to invest your money in something that has caused disappointment in the past. And it is also legitimate to keep renewing this warning.

I'd totally agree, problem is that we have someone in this forum who clearly dislikes the idea of people sharing negative feedback for certain VN's. If I were to make a post saying how fast L&P was, every single day, there wouldn't be any problems or vanishing posts, but the second you mention the opposite, a certain someone trickles in, making posts disappear. There's still a bunch of posts up mentioning how L&P is now faster, how everything is great and awesome... But people are somehow not allowed to say otherwise, atleast when it comes to this certain someone.

I could redirect you to 1000 threads where this topic is not a problem or against non-existent forum rules, but there's a handful of threads where you are not allowed to address this topic, unless you praise the developer. I mean, it is what it is. I'm tired of messaging a mod asking for permission to re-submit my deleted posts, which if you contact the right people is totally working, I've done it a couple times...question is, why is it like that?

The development processes, including speed, are part of the game as far as I'm concerned. Not sure why this is considered off-topic in some threads, but totally fine in others.

Anyway, this post is gonna vanish soon, so...like I said, it is what it is.

 

[lupogba6]

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[hzjujk]

I'd totally agree, problem is that we have someone in this forum who clearly dislikes the idea of people sharing negative feedback for certain VN's. If I were to make a post saying how fast L&P was, every single day, there wouldn't be any problems or vanishing posts, but the second you mention the opposite, a certain someone trickles in, making posts disappear. There's still a bunch of posts up mentioning how L&P is now faster, how everything is great and awesome... But people are somehow not allowed to say otherwise, atleast when it comes to this certain someone.

I could redirect you to 1000 threads where this topic is not a problem or against non-existent forum rules, but there's a handful of threads where you are not allowed to address this topic, unless you praise the developer. I mean, it is what it is. I'm tired of messaging a mod asking for permission to re-submit my deleted posts, which if you contact the right people is totally working, I've done it a couple times...question is, why is it like that?

The development processes, including speed, is part of the game as far as I'm concerned. Not sure why this is considered off-topic in some threads, but totally fine in others.

Anyway, this post is gonna vanish soon, so...like I said, it is what it is.

From me, posts have also disappeared but in 50% of cases I could understand it, in 40% of cases I was a victim of a post to which I replied and which was deleted. And the remaining 10%, well there I can only guess, in some I assume that my answer was too sharply worded and the recipient has complained.
And I hope they don't take it badly and completely doubt my sanity (I do that enough myself) if I don't see L&P "work ethic" quite as sinister as they do.

 

[bayrischman]

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[lockerxx]

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ok end of the month looks very possible

 

[bardock8114]

• Tutoring job, as said, the apostles might get curious about the female body and push her to show them.
  
  
• Sam event, there have been unconfirmed rumours on the patreon page that she will be showing her breasts to Sam in a hotter event.
  
  
• Dylan/Sophia evening event(s), again since there are intel about animation being involved it's likely to be a hot event where Dylan could have a second chance to it (after the mall).

1, MY guess is groping until the reach the pussy then she wills top them

2. It should be more than that. Since it will be a "chello" Lesson my guess is again groping from behind until he reaches down

3. Dylan is a uncertainty because she still needs to reward him for the park. So massage and and maybe will see MAYBE a hand or feedjob like the rubbing last time they were in the bathtub.

The thing Sophia will stop anyone right now is when they reach to her pussy. But then Amber and Dylan were is nice surprise so it should get more lewed from now on. Problably not with the Students but with Sam and Dylan

 

[armion82]

ok end of the month looks very possible

I really hope,people that are on the sex education route,will not get exactly same update as people still on second side job,but not doing sex ed.

 

[Bishop Robert]

Quick question not sure how useful it will be.

Has L&P stated whether or not this next event will be "hot"?

 

[sept0342]

Quick question not sure how useful it will be.

Has L&P stated whether or not this next event will be "hot"?

nothing as far as I'm concerned

 

[Sadowdark]

Quick question not sure how useful it will be.

Has L&P stated whether or not this next event will be "hot"?

D.kule152 said:


Does somebody know why the developer not posting any teaser 's now.Is it because his issue with patreon or the update is too small?

Alley_Cat said:


No, and there wont be, L&P said so. There's really nothing in the sex ed classes that L&P can tease that wont likely get him banned from Patreon.

L&P said nothing interesting would happen while Sophia was teaching the boys