VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205] [Lust & Passion]

[Old Dog]

My question about where the Sam fans are (making a distinction between fan and supporter here) is really still about who is up for writing the Sam (and for that matter, Dylan) route walkthrough for KoGa3's walkthrough mod.

As for Patricia being a voyeur, I'm not even sure that would be necessary. There's a hint of Patricia teasing Sophia about Jules at the start of the Yoga event if you do the Ellie/Julia event "Gosh, that Julia really is a cutie, isn't she?", so Patricia doesn't even need the excuse of catching the two together. Even before that when Sophia doesn't answer the door, Patricia jumps to the assumption that Sophia is "banging the plumber"

Still disappointed there'll be no cello at the concert (even though strictly speaking I don't care, as I wont get the event anyway)

I thought that Sophia invited Ellie to the bar as well?
Sam playing rhythm guitar

 

[Alley_Cat]

I thought that Sophia invited Ellie to the bar as well?
Don't you want to see Sam strut his stuff on his rhythm guitar

If Sam invited Sophia to the concert, then yeah, she invited Ellie, yeah. You don't even get the option to not invite her.

As for watching Sam play the guitar, I have no interest in watching anyone play the guitar. Most of my favourite bands don't even have one.

 

[Old Dog]

If Sam invited Sophia to the concert, then yeah, she invited Ellie, yeah. You don't even get the option to not invite her.

As for watching Sam play the guitar, I have no interest in watching anyone play the guitar. Most of my favourite bands don't even have one.

I forgot about that one, when Sam caught Sophia pleasuring herself while sunbathing and you have the option to stop the event going further.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

don't worry guys, nothing will happen at the concert with Sam, there will probably just be a kiss behind the scenes and stop

 

[Bane71]

Alley Cat, I suspect that many of the Sam supporters are also Dylan fans. I know that I fall into that category.

I think that one of the challenges L&P has for Dylan to 'woo' Sophia is that he has already cast Sam as the primary romantic in Sophia's life.

Sam had one of the earliest 'Hot' scenes with Sophia when he was sitting behind her teaching her to play the cello.

He was leading her, showing her how to play a musical instrument, in an intimate setting that brought significant physical contact, and she accepted his lead.

He has grown to appeal to Sophia as someone who is more than a best friend's son.

I believe that Sophia's admission that she had a thing for rockers when she was in school is setting the stage for Sophia to go a bit wild when she goes to see Sam's band at the bar.

We've probably got 6-7 months before that update (I'd love it to arrive sooner - we can hope!) so, perhaps L&P will give us some hints about where the Sam event is going during our next update:

Will Sophia give Dylan some money and tell him (Emma/Dylan path) to treat Emma to a nice evening and practice being a nice guy on a date - - not telling him about the evening she has planned by going to a bar where Sam's band is playing?

Will she even tell him about the bar event or (Sophia/Dylan path) give him money for pizza and tell him to enjoy his video games that night as she already has plans?

And will Dylan be oblivious to what is going on - or, more likely, aware of the Sam bar event, aware that his supposed good/best friend did not invite him and decide to go in spite of the lack of an invite?

I could see the Sam bar event including a song dedication from Sam to Sophia, and ending in what becomes a make out session between Sam and Sophia ... (Sophia, getting hot and excited - perhaps with flashbacks to old boyfriends and what happened as soon as they were alone, goes to thank Sam for the dedication and Sam - 'Sophia, imagine you are my girlfriend/my groupie for tonight, how would you tell me that you loved my dedication to you' - and a drunk, horny Sophia already mixing flashbacks with old boyfriends, starts kissing Sam, picturing him as one of those old boyfriends.)

The encounter above would play out from a romantic perspective and Sophia would have to take the lead getting Sam to start groping her as they kissed.

Who would be a voyeur to this event - my best bet is Patricia - who would really enjoy seeing Sophia cut loose and love the ability to chat with a captive Sophia on the drive to the horse trainer...

Patricia: 'So, Sophia, how long have you been kissing the neighbor boy ... grinning and then looking over at a stunned Sophia...?'

Like you, I am sure that we will have a hot kiss from Sophia and Sam. Probably she will not stop him and he will touch her where the neighbor's boy should not. The only question is who Patricia, Ellie, Dylan will be able to see, and if they can at all. Because the witnesses of this kiss will be able to put pressure on Sophia to achieve their goals.

 

[Bane71]

So, coming to this late, because my internet connection was lost for hours. 1.Bennett getting results, 2.Aiden getting rsults, 3. Sophia, so gorgeous she could be the sexiest woman in San Alejo....sensational, 4.Beautiful in the throes of sexual pleasure, 5. Difficult choice from the fashion show but the nipples against tight cloth....no wonder I still play this game.

Thank you and everyone who is participating! I suggested this little experiment because I found it interesting. It was very difficult for me to select only 5 renders myself.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Just wondering, but apart from Sophia not having sex with Liam on day 16, is there any reason to do the prison event for those on the Sam route? I've heard the theory that Don Morello may be a solution with Aiden and Bennett, but nothing for the Sam fans.

 

[Old Dog]

Like you, I am sure that we will have a hot kiss from Sophia and Sam. Probably she will not stop him and he will touch her where the neighbor's boy should not. The only question is who Patricia, Ellie, Dylan will be able to see, and if they can at all. Because the witnesses of this kiss will be able to put pressure on Sophia to achieve their goals.

If I remember right Dylan has not been asked(yet) so it is just Patricia/Sam/Ellie/Sophia I guess Julia may come along as well.
Since Sam now has his own car he could give Sophia a lift home.

 

[Bane71]

If I remember right Dylan has not been asked(yet) so it is just Patricia/Sam/Ellie/Sophia I guess Julia may come along as well.
Since Sam now has his own car he could give Sophia a lift home,or even to the bar, depending on if they use Patricia's car to travel there.

I completely forgot about Sam's car. But if Sophia gets rid of her company and drives "home" in a car with Sam, it can be a very hot "kiss".

 

[Captain Bipto]

I completely forgot about Sam's car. But if Sophia gets rid of her company and drives "home" in a car with Sam, it can be a very hot "kiss".

or a blow job... NO ONE RIDES FOR FREE

 

[Bane71]

or a blow job... NO ONE RIDES FOR FREE

If blowjob doesn't count as sex, then maybe! )))

 

[Alley_Cat]

If I remember right Dylan has not been asked(yet) so it is just Patricia/Sam/Ellie/Sophia I guess Julia may come along as well.
Since Sam now has his own car he could give Sophia a lift home,or even to the bar, depending on if they use Patricia's car to travel there.

So far the only test to see if Sophia is going to the concert is during the Ellie shower last update. Considering that there has been at least one Dylan event (dropping him off at boarding school or first self-defence lesson) sometimes two (the Yoga event) since that Sam event, it certainly looks like Dylan has been snubbed.

Even the conversation between Sam and Sophia is about getting together some groupies. I don't believe Dylan would appreciate being considered a groupie.

s "I'll get Ellie and my sister, and we'll come with bells on!"
s "Maybe Ellie will even bring a friend with her."

As for who the "friend" is, Julia would be the obvious answer, which makes me think it's someone else (i.e. L&P throwing a curveball), possibly one of Ellie's dance friends like Christine or Melanie.

 

[Old Dog]

So far the only test to see if Sophia is going to the concert is during the Ellie shower last update. Considering that there has been at least one Dylan event (dropping him off at boarding school or first self-defence lesson) sometimes two (the Yoga event) since that Sam event, it certainly looks like Dylan has been snubbed.

Even the conversation between Sam and Sophia is about getting together some groupies. I don't believe Dylan would appreciate being considered a groupie.

s "I'll get Ellie and my sister, and we'll come with bells on!"
s "Maybe Ellie will even bring a friend with her."

As for who the "friend" is, Julia would be the obvious answer, which makes me think it's someone else (i.e. L&P throwing a curveball), possibly one of Ellie's dance friends like Christine or Melanie.

Also would Neil let Julia go to a bar?
A curveball cue Tyle/Logan/or one of the other females making an appearance,that would be good,but Tyler showing up would be so funny.
But please for the love of god don't make it Bennett,I doubt it will be
I am holding you personal responsible Alley_Cat if any bad men show up.

 

[Animated_Giraffe]

Really enjoyed the most recent update, it seems to be setting the scene for more options. Kind of hoping Ivan and his cronies make a reappearance somewhere in the future.

 

[Bane71]

Really enjoyed the most recent update, it seems to be setting the scene for more options. Kind of hoping Ivan and his cronies make a reappearance somewhere in the future.

They will appear, they wrote about this many times here.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Also would Neil let Julia go to a bar?
A curveball cue Tyle/Logan/or one of the other females making an appearance,that would be good,but Tyler showing up would be so funny.

I hadn't considered Neil being an arse as a reason for Jules not being there, but that is a good point.

Not sure Ellie is quite ready to invite Logan over (why would she invite Tyler), considering last I checked she still hadn't admitted that Sophia is her mom. So she would need to clue Sam into the deception. And the player would need to also be playing the Ellie route, which I don't believe is required for the concert.

 

[Old Dog]

I hadn't considered Neil being an arse as a reason for Jules not being there, but that is a good point.

Not sure Ellie is quite ready to invite Logan over (why would she invite Tyler), considering last I checked she still hadn't admitted that Sophia is her mom. So she would need to clue Sam into the deception. And the player would need to also be playing the Ellie route, which I don't believe is required for the concert.

I meant as an unexpectant guest being there,it is a bar after all,but yea it is stretching it

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Here is the quote from L&P himself. It might be worth clarifying though, since it says "every character will have his own special final (ending)", so that would even include Mr Murray (the postman), which I highly doubt L&P meant. And it was posted over two years ago.

Even that sounds ambiguous because it doesn't mention them having this "special final (ending)" with Sophia, just that they will have an ending that is theirs. It could be that the ending is with Sophia, but it could also mean that the endings will simply be based on what they do and how far they go with Sophia, for example, if Sophia and Ellie go all the way and Ellie is also with Julia, then this ending could be that Ellie will stay with Julia in a committed relationship and what she did with Sophia will simply be looked back on fondly. Ellie's ending could therefore have variations depending on what choices players make, so in a sense she still gets a "special ending" even if it's not with Sophia.

Would also like to note how L&P acknowledged in 2018 that, "The problem of my project is that it has too many storylines", so they do recognise that they perhaps have a bit too much going on in this game.

L&P's own words on his Patreon page.....

After seeing so many lower-quality adult games, where the primary goal is to show as much skin or as many h scenes as possible right from the beginning, without any good story or character development (and not even good or authentic renders!)! So, I've decided to develop my own ambitious, realistic, detail-oriented, quality-focused adult game, which has become like a little obsession to me

L&P's main goal has always seemed to be that they want to do a better job at building up to these taboo relationships and infidelities than other games do, but it doesn't necessarily mean that things like family harems/orgies are off the table. In most games, the standard format is to take a young male character surrounded by hot women, some if not all of whom are family members, and one day flip a switch to make the male MC hot for all of them, and all of them hot for him. That's what I believe L&P regards as not being "realistic", but Dylan having a threesome with Sophia and Patricia, or Ellie and Patricia getting sexual, or Dylan and Ellie having sex? I don't think that's outside the realms of possibility because it's about the build up being better and more "realistic", not the types of sexual relationships that will be had.

 

[hzjujk]

L&P would do the character Dylan a disservice if he let him go to the concert. He wouldn't score points against Sam there. Not with any woman. Maybe Patricia would support him. But why make the story so complicated. So, I think the losers haters can be safe from him during this event.

 

[Old Dog]

Even that sounds ambiguous because it doesn't mention them having this "special final (ending)" with Sophia, just that they will have an ending that is theirs. It could be that the ending is with Sophia, but it could also mean that the endings will simply be based on what they do and how far they go with Sophia, for example, if Sophia and Ellie go all the way and Ellie is also with Julia, then this ending could be that Ellie will stay with Julia in a committed relationship and what she did with Sophia will simply be looked back on fondly. Ellie's ending could therefore have variations depending on what choices players make, so in a sense she still gets a "special ending" even if it's not with Sophia.

This is also how I feel about the ending of the game be with Ellie/Sam/Dylan/Zac/Alyssa or anybody else in the game.
They will look back fondly on how much their mother/children have learned and their experiences together,depending on how far they go and also if they get caught.
Sam/Zac a teenage crush that they will grow out of but Sophia has the chance to teach them certain things,again if she doesn't get caught.
After all I should imagine that most of the characters mentioned will go to college and have familys of their own.
So just for a change I am going to agree with Holy Bacchus
So people could get the ending they want with the main characters.