About creating a incest game!
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Dead games can be freely 'revived' imo, hard part is figuring out what assets were used and getting funding.
Probably free game, however, you'd be better off taking from them what you like, and creating your own game.
They usually aren't abandoned because they were great. They were abandoned because no one wanted to pay for them.
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i wanna continue their models their story.Is it impossible?Some games i love is abandoned so i wanna make an ending it deserves.And i dont care benefits.
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Some died because Patreon forced content changes, which ended some peoples want or need to fund the project.
Not impossible if you can figure out what assets were used and get the characters looking close enough to the originals to suit your needs.
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Hmmm...
If they used standard Daz (etc.) assets, then it's not 'their' character, but a premade Daz model that they 'hired' to be the character in their story. Simply buy/acquire the character asset yourself from the Daz (etc.) store and have fun!
If it's a custom morph (i.e. a custom dialed character), then you've entered a grey area. if they choose to claim copyright on the character...
As for specific character backstories/backgrounds/names, well I suppose they could claim copyright, so you may be rolling the dice here. A variation on the character name(s), with no specific references to a specific backstory for the character you are 'reimagining', might not be a bad idea. Thinking along the lines of avoiding DMCA takedowns here.
Of course, it's a roll of the dice. Will they choose to try to protect their IP (hire lawyers etc.) or not? But, this being a bucaneer forum and all, well...
If they used standard Daz (etc.) assets, then it's not 'their' character, but a premade Daz model that they 'hired' to be the character in their story. Simply buy/acquire the character asset yourself from the Daz (etc.) store and have fun!
If it's a custom morph (i.e. a custom dialed character), then you've entered a grey area. if they choose to claim copyright on the character...
As for specific character backstories/backgrounds/names, well I suppose they could claim copyright, so you may be rolling the dice here. A variation on the character name(s), with no specific references to a specific backstory for the character you are 'reimagining', might not be a bad idea. Thinking along the lines of avoiding DMCA takedowns here.
Of course, it's a roll of the dice. Will they choose to try to protect their IP (hire lawyers etc.) or not? But, this being a bucaneer forum and all, well...
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I like the idea of 'new' devs continuing abandoned games, pulling stuff out and make a different game...not so much imo.
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In general, this entire area of game development is filled with uncertainty. What is considered an "homage" or "fanfiction" and what is considered downright theft? Games are often abandoned due to multiple reasons, and they are not at all limited to simply being failures, and they could potentially come back to life, which would cause problems if somebody was making a copy.
Big Brother was one of the most popular games on this site, and it was abandoned anyway, due to patreon's new guidelines. Dark Silver is trying his hands on another game, but he is not having much success with his audience, to put it mildly. If this continues, he might decide to just switch back to BB (personally I think he will just quit for good) and find a way to make it work, without patreon getting in the way.
Another example is "Ethan's Legacy" by Vengeancexxx. Many people really liked that game, so when Vengeancexxx announced that he was quitting for an unknown time-length, due to personal reasons, many players wanted to continue the game. Now it has been many, many months, and Vengeance has suddenly popped up again. He might/might not intend to continue Ethan's legacy, who knows. The point is: If somebody had decided to take his game, characters and story, then Vengeance would have to compete against his own game. I find it unlikely that he would let that happen without objections, especially if money is involved, or if the game is moving in a direction, which conflicts with the creator's original vision.
I would say try to steer clear of this area, if possible, as it offers many pitfalls and requires very delicate footsteps. If you get consent from the original dev to continue his work, then I would say go for it. However, if you can't get an answer from him, or the answer is simply a "no", then I would say that it is somewhat disrespectful to just hijack his work and use it for your personal pleasure.
Of course this entire thing is subjective, and every case is different from another. Just remember that if a game provided you with so much happiness that you feel that you simply must have more, then you risk destroying what an awesome thing you had at the beginning, especially if you don't have the original creator's blessing, or simply lack the ability to use this content in a good way.
A good example of this is the new Star Wars movies. Disney bought the rights from George Lucas and then basically told him to fuck off, and they wouldn't listen to any of his ideas for the new movies. This resulted in episode 7 & 8. Episode 7 was fairly well recieved, at least in the beginning, but it wasn't really doing anything new. It simply rehashed previous movies and mixed it up a little. It was clear that Disney was afraid to try any drastic changes, but that was also the problem with the movie: It wasn't really their work. Episode 8 suffered from many of the same re-uses of elements from previous movies, but also tried adding some of Disney's own artistic ideas, which ended up exploding in their faces.
I will stop, as this is not a post about me ranting about star wars, but the general principle is the same: When you try to continue the work on something done by another, you risk much more than just facing copyright issues. You risk betraying the thing that you once loved, and might end up having people dislike you, if they feel you are not doing the original content justice. And even if you succeed, what have you really accomplished? You would have built an amazing house, on a foundation, laid by another, without whom your house would never have been a reality.
In my eyes, it is simply better to make up your own stories and do your own thing. If you like something, let yourself be inspired by it. Don't try to imitate something, but strive to surpass it instead. Have faith in yourself. Who is to say that your own idea wouldn't be able to blow our minds even more than the other game you enjoyed?
Just my 2 cents.
Big Brother was one of the most popular games on this site, and it was abandoned anyway, due to patreon's new guidelines. Dark Silver is trying his hands on another game, but he is not having much success with his audience, to put it mildly. If this continues, he might decide to just switch back to BB (personally I think he will just quit for good) and find a way to make it work, without patreon getting in the way.
Another example is "Ethan's Legacy" by Vengeancexxx. Many people really liked that game, so when Vengeancexxx announced that he was quitting for an unknown time-length, due to personal reasons, many players wanted to continue the game. Now it has been many, many months, and Vengeance has suddenly popped up again. He might/might not intend to continue Ethan's legacy, who knows. The point is: If somebody had decided to take his game, characters and story, then Vengeance would have to compete against his own game. I find it unlikely that he would let that happen without objections, especially if money is involved, or if the game is moving in a direction, which conflicts with the creator's original vision.
I would say try to steer clear of this area, if possible, as it offers many pitfalls and requires very delicate footsteps. If you get consent from the original dev to continue his work, then I would say go for it. However, if you can't get an answer from him, or the answer is simply a "no", then I would say that it is somewhat disrespectful to just hijack his work and use it for your personal pleasure.
Of course this entire thing is subjective, and every case is different from another. Just remember that if a game provided you with so much happiness that you feel that you simply must have more, then you risk destroying what an awesome thing you had at the beginning, especially if you don't have the original creator's blessing, or simply lack the ability to use this content in a good way.
A good example of this is the new Star Wars movies. Disney bought the rights from George Lucas and then basically told him to fuck off, and they wouldn't listen to any of his ideas for the new movies. This resulted in episode 7 & 8. Episode 7 was fairly well recieved, at least in the beginning, but it wasn't really doing anything new. It simply rehashed previous movies and mixed it up a little. It was clear that Disney was afraid to try any drastic changes, but that was also the problem with the movie: It wasn't really their work. Episode 8 suffered from many of the same re-uses of elements from previous movies, but also tried adding some of Disney's own artistic ideas, which ended up exploding in their faces.
I will stop, as this is not a post about me ranting about star wars, but the general principle is the same: When you try to continue the work on something done by another, you risk much more than just facing copyright issues. You risk betraying the thing that you once loved, and might end up having people dislike you, if they feel you are not doing the original content justice. And even if you succeed, what have you really accomplished? You would have built an amazing house, on a foundation, laid by another, without whom your house would never have been a reality.
In my eyes, it is simply better to make up your own stories and do your own thing. If you like something, let yourself be inspired by it. Don't try to imitate something, but strive to surpass it instead. Have faith in yourself. Who is to say that your own idea wouldn't be able to blow our minds even more than the other game you enjoyed?
Just my 2 cents.
That's exactly the point I was making.
For my part I worked on Game Legends, we dialed in our models, making them look as close to Big Brother as we could, and wrote parody content with them. This is totally a good idea. There are very few abandoned games that are worth reviving, maybe "the gift reloaded", for instance, but that one also has the problem of being both an incest game and a noncon game. So, it wouldn't even be allowed on patreon.
Well, continuing an existing abandoned game would technically be copyright infringement. In that context it's probably not a "crime" as such. You could be sued by the original creator, technically, but it's not really the sort of crime you get arrested for. And porno game authors aren't really the sort that can lean on the law of their respective countries to actually make this happen. It would be technically possible for them to sue you, assuming you recycled the original content from the original game into your new game. This is still a pretty remote thing, though and the effort involved would be kinda herculean.
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On the Disney thing, Rogue One is awesome IMHO. Much better than Episodes 7 and 8. Sure, it's a self contained story that fits nicely as a buildup to Episode IV, but I liked it. I'd go as far as to say best movie since Revenge Return of the Jedi, but I'm sure others may not agree.
Back on topic, comedy writers, and even porn producers, have been living in Parody/Fair use land for a long time. Short form, it's a balancing act. Paramount recently shut down Axanar's efforts to make a fan film, but eventually the two parties came to an agreement out of court and maaaaybe we'll see a shortened version of the promised Axanar film (BTW, Prelude To Axanar is definitely worth a watch if you like Star Trek and fan films). This is a much higher level than what most adult game/novel makers operate on, as Paramount has deep pockets and isn't afraid to slap people down here and there.
The Orville vs Star Trek might be an excellent case study as to how doing a homage can work. The Orville pays a VERY STRONG homage to Star Trek: The Next Generation, but has different characters, and a very similar setting with differences. Those differences are enough that it is it's own universe, but we all recognize the tropes. Same thing with Galaxy Quest. Obviously a parody of the Star Trek cast and their convention experiences, but it's not the same/was different enough that they were able to tell that story.
So, as I said before, invoking characters (using the same character models if they are premade Daz character assets that you can buy 'off the shelf') is one thing, but continuing the exact same story with the exact same setting with the exact same characters with the exact same backgrounds, well you are definitely in IP infingement territory. At that point, you are rolling the dice - i.e. will the original author even care enough to contact whomever is hosting your 'continuation' with a DMCA takedown request? And, to them, is it worth their time and dollars to protect their legal rights in this case?
Also, although it's a long shot, if you can find the original author, you can always ask... In some rare cases, they might actuallly be OK with your idea/seeing the characters they developed living on in another story, even if it's not being told by them.
Back on topic, comedy writers, and even porn producers, have been living in Parody/Fair use land for a long time. Short form, it's a balancing act. Paramount recently shut down Axanar's efforts to make a fan film, but eventually the two parties came to an agreement out of court and maaaaybe we'll see a shortened version of the promised Axanar film (BTW, Prelude To Axanar is definitely worth a watch if you like Star Trek and fan films). This is a much higher level than what most adult game/novel makers operate on, as Paramount has deep pockets and isn't afraid to slap people down here and there.
The Orville vs Star Trek might be an excellent case study as to how doing a homage can work. The Orville pays a VERY STRONG homage to Star Trek: The Next Generation, but has different characters, and a very similar setting with differences. Those differences are enough that it is it's own universe, but we all recognize the tropes. Same thing with Galaxy Quest. Obviously a parody of the Star Trek cast and their convention experiences, but it's not the same/was different enough that they were able to tell that story.
So, as I said before, invoking characters (using the same character models if they are premade Daz character assets that you can buy 'off the shelf') is one thing, but continuing the exact same story with the exact same setting with the exact same characters with the exact same backgrounds, well you are definitely in IP infingement territory. At that point, you are rolling the dice - i.e. will the original author even care enough to contact whomever is hosting your 'continuation' with a DMCA takedown request? And, to them, is it worth their time and dollars to protect their legal rights in this case?
Also, although it's a long shot, if you can find the original author, you can always ask... In some rare cases, they might actuallly be OK with your idea/seeing the characters they developed living on in another story, even if it's not being told by them.
If you were to take no donations or payment for working on the game that essentially would fall under 'fair use' laws in most countries and there would be nothing they could do, save making a fuss in the media. If you want to make money best to come up with at least a derivative idea.
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I would expect you could go down two roads and make it work, first option is to take what there is a already and add to it without altering that is currently there and not to make money from it in anyway, giving credit to the initial dev and such, i'd call that the modding approach.
The other option is to see if you can find the dev and ask permission to use there IP, perhaps cut them in 5-10% or something, a franchise type model.
The other option is to see if you can find the dev and ask permission to use there IP, perhaps cut them in 5-10% or something, a franchise type model.