About "pirating" patreon works

[Bizef]

I know F95 is a pirate site so i don't open this thread to judge that.

Still, i'm wondering what was the policy and tradition on the site about free games that have prior access to patreon donors. If we have only some weeks or months to wait before public release, does F95 still publish it before that, or does the community prefer to wait out of respect for the author? Are there limits to the pirating?

 

[Brosewood]

Feel like I should grab a big ol' box of pop corn for this one.

 

[Jaike]

I know F95 is a pirate site so i don't open this thread to judge that.

Still, i'm wondering what was the policy and tradition on the site about free games that have prior access to patreon donors. If we have only some weeks or months to wait before public release, does F95 still publish it before that, or does the community prefer to wait out of respect for the author? Are there limits to the pirating?

If it is leaked by someone with access, it is accepted on here. This goes as far as unstable builds for free games, even if that leads to a lot of noobs complaining to the dev later.

 

[Winterfire]

I know F95 is a pirate site so i don't open this thread to judge that.

Still, i'm wondering what was the policy and tradition on the site about free games that have prior access to patreon donors. If we have only some weeks or months to wait before public release, does F95 still publish it before that, or does the community prefer to wait out of respect for the author? Are there limits to the pirating?

No limits.
As soon as a link is made available, the game's thread will be updated.

 

[Carrera]

I've a good feeling that without patreon leaks a lot of the shit games that plague this site wouldn't get any attention at all.

 

[WIRProductions]

I've a good feeling that without patreon leaks a lot of the shit games that plague this site wouldn't get any attention at all.

Aside from getting free advertising attention from the leaks, I actually wonder in general how much revenue is lost from piracy. Obviously 'some' but anecdotally the very vast majority of stuff I play/watch for free, I never would have bought anyways.

 

[Carrera]

Aside from getting free advertising attention from the leaks, I actually wonder in general how much revenue is lost from piracy. Obviously 'some' but anecdotally the very vast majority of stuff I play/watch for free, I never would have bought anyways.

I actually will pay for stuff I like, and is actually finished when it comes to games. I am well off, not trying to flex or anything on that front, but I refuse to pay for garbage whether it's a burger, a AAA game title, a hollywood blockbuster, or someone's part time workin' in the garage a few hours on the weekend porn game.

I rant about this all the time, if people would stop paying for unfishinished SHIT and only pay for finished projects we'd get, eventually, better quality products. (especially in regards to games)

 

[imelman]

Similar to normal non big company games, free or otherwise - only things that can be a limit are copyright issues, but mostly they don't happen unless someone makes a lot of noise.

But my view on this; really, considering how Patreon products generally do, including so called "failed Kickstarter promises", which some of games went that route before ending on subscription based model, there's a reason why people go to pirating out of skepticism, and again, it's fault of a service, that fails to justify its quality, or outright lie/manipulate its customers into making them pay for something they didn't signed for.

Can be sad for someone, but the reality tells this. People have standards, not all of them, but most thankfully do. And it won't change unless the creators up their standards and users stop supporting selfish actors, but it won't happen anywhere soon.

 

[Furabia]

I know F95 is a pirate site so i don't open this thread to judge that. Are there limits to the pirating?

F95 was since the beginning (and even before) a pirating site to share games; whether those games are free, patreon delayed, premium, whatever... it happens as soon as someone has access to the game's build and decides to share it here. There's no "policy"; it all depends on on a single person who either bought the game or is on the patreon of a developer and they decide to share the game, regardless of the developer wishes.

There's no single "F95 community" and therefore no concensus on the topic; some games are vanilla and other games are NTR and both those publics hate each other, so they keep to their threads. My point being that each thread for each individual game behaves differently regarding the sharing. For some threads a new version will be shared almost as soon as the creator posts on their patreon, while others wait a while, and lesser know games take longer for a new version to be shared, etc.

I myself support a handful of creators and could easily share their content if I so desired but I don't do it, but that's just me tough. I don't judge someone who supports the same creator as myself but decides to share the games anyways, whether they be before the public release or not.

 

[おい！]

Still, i'm wondering what was the policy and tradition on the site about free games that have prior access to patreon donors.

None as far as I know, after all this is not the only site someone can use to download the games, also this site is not always the first one to make such downloads available.

If we have only some weeks or months to wait before public release, does F95 still publish it before that, or does the community prefer to wait out of respect for the author?

F95 does not publish anything, the sharing is done by fellow members, up-loaders and the game devs themselves. Well considering that people choose to donate money to Patreon even though games are leaked, I do not see any reason for waiting any length of time.

Are there limits to the pirating?

Yes, I personally do not download all the games available and I also do not download games that I cannot play on my PC. You also have to look at the source material that a dev is using for example:
Real Porn and Illusion assets is not the original work of a dev and so their game has been made using pirated images etc.... IMO if a dev has no limits in pirating material, why should we?

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

I rant about this all the time, if people would stop paying for unfishinished SHIT and only pay for finished projects we'd get, eventually, better quality products. (especially in regards to games)

That would be terrible for niche products that no one wants to spend tens or hundreds of thousands of cash monies to make when there's no guarantee it'll ever pay off. That's why big publishers put out the same derivative dreck each year, it's consistent and relatively risk-free. I'm fine with giving money to someone to develop a product they couldn't fund on their own, and no one else would make, if it's something I want to see realized.

 

[Carrera]

That would be terrible for niche products that no one wants to spend tens or hundreds of thousands of cash monies to make when there's no guarantee it'll ever pay off. That's why big publishers put out the same derivative dreck each year, it's consistent and relatively risk-free. I'm fine with giving money to someone to develop a product they couldn't fund on their own, and no one else would make, if it's something I want to see realized.

I'd be fine supporting a dev as well if I knew they wouldn't be inclined to milk that steady stream of cash, and I've yet to see a patreon supported dev who hasn't.

If they KNEW the only way to get paid was to produce a finished product dev times on some of these games would probably be cut down 75% and still turn out as good as if they had been milking for years.

My rant also applies to AAA games, if it's not done, DON'T BUY IT. If a dev says it's going to have 10 features, but after 5 years of dvelopment they only make good on 4, don't frickin' buy it. Oh wait, that would utterly demolish AAA developers,,, meh, maybe they'd start turning out quality products again, or at least try.

 

[RomanHume]

I just circumvent the whole thing by letting people pirate the game...

 

[Feed99]

I think it is up to the individual to pirate responsibly and buy games that they like and can afford

As for Patreon I refuse to touch that shit, the devs really need to offer alternate ways to buy the completed games, not monthly bullshit either when I can buy AAA rated complete games with literally 100s of times the man hours gone into them for the price of a few months on patreon and people seem to get unfinished shit that never gets finished after paying all that money, I see this as unreasonable and refuse to contribute

I'm not interested in finding about cash grab/scammers the hard way so fuck Patreon