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Specific360

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The adult games being banned/removed/retired never generated "billions in revenue" for the processors and credit card companies. Hell, the developers of the games, themselves - as a whole - never had the potential at "billions in revenue."
Billions is obviously an exaggeration but i suspect they’re referring to all of the calls taking up time and therefore money rather than any revenue the games generated. No clue how much money that would actually equate to however.
Doesn’t hurt to keep putting pressure on them though.
 
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Count Morado

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Billions is obviously an exaggeration but i suspect they’re referring to all of the calls taking up time and therefore money rather than any revenue the games generated. No clue how much money that would actually equate to however.
Doesn’t hurt to keep putting pressure on them though.
I agree with your last sentence.

That said - we still have no real idea of the volume of calls - except from one side. It could be normal operations with usual fluctuations depending upon the flights of fancy of the customer base. Today's outrage may simply just be replacing some outrage from last month.

Call center pressure and emails really don't do much - not without constituents pressuring elected officials. And emails/online petitions are nearly the worst way to apply pressure on officials if there is no follow up. They get thousands of emails every few days (or quicker) and have filters offering boilerplate responses. Those that don't, are handled by interns and low level staffers to weed through the bullshit and crazies, and most of their responses are fill-in-the-blank constituent service responses with previously crafted messaging statements included.

At the individual level:
Letters are better.
Phone calls are even better. And take notes who you spoke with and what was said and what they say.
Going to their office is far better.
Talking to the actual elected official in private is almost the best.
Asking them at a public event such at an in-person town hall is the best.
Getting others to join you for a demonstration at the town hall is pinnacle.

That is what is needed. When people start doing the last 2 - that's when attention is gathered and the real campaign begins.
 

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Fucking hell, a number of those games I've either actively followed and/or have supported. Several actually came from here. Sigh, thanks, I know a few others would like to see these too.
I forgot to mention, you need to cut off the second half of the link:

For example gets to
 

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Billions is obviously an exaggeration
I don't think so.

Adult entertainment is a huge, HUGE industry, and has been for quite a long time. I don't know the exact numbers, but it's safe to say it's a significant chunk of revenue.

Now, logically, why would *any* company, willingly give up a revenue stream? My conclusion is that a bigger revenue stream is being threatened. And "coincidentally" we have this sudden, laser focused interest from governments in protecting the children, right after Gislaine Maxwell was interviewed by the DOJ.

I'm just pointing to the dog that is not barking, and that is a pretty big dog.
 

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I don't think so.

Adult entertainment is a huge, HUGE industry, and has been for quite a long time. I don't know the exact numbers, but it's safe to say it's a significant chunk of revenue.

Now, logically, why would *any* company, willingly give up a revenue stream? My conclusion is that a bigger revenue stream is being threatened. And "coincidentally" we have this sudden, laser focused interest from governments in protecting the children, right after Gislaine Maxwell was interviewed by the DOJ.

I'm just pointing to the dog that is not barking, and that is a pretty big dog.
You don't know the exact numbers - but many of them are out there for you to look before you make wild claims. 5 minutes of research:

The entire adult industry is estimated at around to annually. Funding platforms get 5%-30% of that. Payment processors get a small fee per transaction of that. Credit Card companies get a few percentage points of that.

The adult gaming industry - the things that are getting banned/retired/reviewed -- aren't even 1% of the entire adult industry revenue / 1% pf the entire gaming industry. Estimated . That means credit card companies are putting their multi-trillion dollar business at risk - from their stockholders, customers, gov't regulators, etc - for maybe a hundred thousand dollars or a little more from the games in question if they don't enforce some of their own rules about what content they will or will not accept. For Payment Processors such as PayPal or Stripe - they would be putting their multi-billion dollar business at risk for no more than several hundred thousand, if that..

And Steam and itch would be risking over dollars of revenue for themselves and the other 99%+ of games hosted on their sites if they sided with the games in question over the credit card companies and payment processors - risking about $3-4 billion of their own share of sales for maybe a couple of million of dollars at most. They both have the most to lose - both in $$$$ and in losing the ability to process payments depending upon which side they choose. But again, that's less than 1% of their revenue. So guess which side they will choose.

So, no. you are incorrect.

Not all the games listed on Steam and itch are in violation of the rules. In fact, last reported only a few hundred have been removed/retired/banned so far. Even if it is a couple of thousand --- there's still tens of thousands of NSFW adult games left on Steam and itch. So they aren't putting a billion, let alone billions, on the line with these actions. Hell, it's barely a couple of million dollars no longer being received for the platforms, processors, and credit card companies.

Also none of this is sudden. It's been in play for more than a decade. Just because you haven't been paying attention doesn't mean it hasn't been happening. Look at Patreon. Look at Gumroad. Look at Pixiv. Look at dlsite. Look at PayPal. Look at Stripe. Look at "Operation Choke Point" from 2011-2014. Look at FOSTA-SESTA 2018. Look at Free Speech Coalition v. Paxon from SCOTUS. The UK OSA 2023. Hell, look at Collective Shout going after No Mercy! in May of this year....

ALLLLLLL of this is WAY before Ghislaine Maxwell's interview with the DOJ. ALLL of this was WAYYYYYYY before the current US Administration flipped their tune on Epstein.

Company decisions are based upon maximizing revenue while minimizing risk. That is where these decisions are being made. It's not a conspiracy. It's Business Econ 101.

You're stringing together pins that don't have connections.
 
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This trend of "OMG it's mental illness when I don't understaaaaand" is crack-cocaine to Authoritarians. It has been used multiple times, by both Left Authoritarians ( ), Right Authoritarians ( ) and the USA has just started it up (again, again) ( . It even has its own label, "punitive psychiatry".

So, when you bleat on and start throwing around terms like "off their meds" etc, this tells us all one important thing: you have Authoritarian Brain Worms, mostly likely sub- or un- conciously. You're the one in the Matrix wearing the Red Dress and are sus as fuck.

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The only thing Scientologists got right (HAIL XENU) was that psychology / psychiatry is the realm of quacks, frauds and thieves. Oh, and to be a "normal" Human Being in most current societies is to embrace being a sociopath in most cases, so.. eh, Glass Houses and all that.
Not reading all that. But good for you. Or I'm sorry for your loss, or whatever.
 
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There is a huge dog that is not barking here.

These payment processors are willingly giving up billions in revenue, to bow to the demands of one group in Australia?

These same payment processors, who have access to the best lawyers in the world, and could easily say they're not required to get involved, all decided to bow to the demands of this group?

I don't buy it. The only way this makes sense is if a bigger revenue source is at stake. That makes me think this is a coordinated effort and Collective Shout is just the face of it.
It's not a revenue source at stake. The oligarchs that control Visa/Mastercard/Paypal etc are (and have always been) in bed with politicians. They figured out that with the US being effectively a puppet state, now, and the UK/EU slowly falling down the same hole, they are free to start their powergrab. Be prepared for EVERYTHING to become gated/censored in the coming 5 years. There's one sliver of hope left, though - the old maxim, "people die when they are killed".
 

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There is a huge dog that is not barking here.

These payment processors are willingly giving up billions in revenue, to bow to the demands of one group in Australia?

These same payment processors, who have access to the best lawyers in the world, and could easily say they're not required to get involved, all decided to bow to the demands of this group?

I don't buy it. The only way this makes sense is if a bigger revenue source is at stake. That makes me think this is a coordinated effort and Collective Shout is just the face of it.
Its about control, from this day payment processors can remove you from global market and dictate what content you may sell on it. Compare to this losses are insignificant.
 

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Its about control, from this day payment processors can remove you from global market and dictate what content you may sell on it. Compare to this losses are insignificant.
Payment processors have always been able to do this since forever.

We shouldn't let this be normalized, of course not.
 
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Payment processors have always been able to do this since forever.

We shouldn't let this be normalized, of course not.
Payment processors still do business with Mindgeek (Aylo), Vivid, and WGCZ Holdings (Xvideos).

So it's definitely not the adult nature of the games that bothers them.
 

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I don't think so.

Adult entertainment is a huge, HUGE industry, and has been for quite a long time. I don't know the exact numbers, but it's safe to say it's a significant chunk of revenue.

Now, logically, why would *any* company, willingly give up a revenue stream? My conclusion is that a bigger revenue stream is being threatened. And "coincidentally" we have this sudden, laser focused interest from governments in protecting the children, right after Gislaine Maxwell was interviewed by the DOJ.

I'm just pointing to the dog that is not barking, and that is a pretty big dog.
I believe it's 97 billion a year but i could be wrong what i am certain about is that the porn industry moves more money than Hollywood does.
Porn has a lot of small companies and self employed people working in it and those are much easier to hit than large companies.

I also think the timing of all this is a bit suspicious seeing how in coincided with the Online Safety Act which in itself will have a major impact on the porn industry or anything else the UK government deems "Harmful content".
 
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Payment processors still do business with Mindgeek (Aylo), Vivid, and WGCZ Holdings (Xvideos).

So it's definitely not the adult nature of the games that bothers them.
Or it's behind a company that sounds innocent to them.
 

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Steam and Itch.io were degraded to victims because the creatures from “Collective Shout” pointed their damn fingers at them and shouted “rape” and “incest.”

And the credit card companies then felt compelled to act as “upkeepers of morality” and give these creatures what they wanted.

That's why it hit Steam and Itch.io, it could have hit anyone if “Collective Shout” had chosen other victims.

And I bet those creatures are preparing their next attack.
 
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what's the most likely outcome of this clusterfuck?

In the worst case scenario where CS wins and a tons of gamesa are kicked out of itch, what their alternatives could be
 

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what's the most likely outcome of this clusterfuck?

In the worst case scenario where CS wins and a tons of gamesa are kicked out of itch, what their alternatives could be
In theory host sfw version on Itch.io and 18+ patches elsewhere. Not sure if this would be enough though.
 
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what's the most likely outcome of this clusterfuck?
The free market will correct itself, if allowed to do so. The itch.io update mentioned they are looking for alternate payment processors, and, in theory, some payment processor will step up and take advantage of the gap in the market.

The most likely outcome is that either itch.io will find a way around this, and become more adult content oriented as they accept refugees from Steam, or another service like itch.io will spring up.

and the game of cat and mouse will continue.
 

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The free market will correct itself, if allowed to do so. The itch.io update mentioned they are looking for alternate payment processors, and, in theory, some payment processor will step up and take advantage of the gap in the market.

The most likely outcome is that either itch.io will find a way around this, and become more adult content oriented as they accept refugees from Steam, or another service like itch.io will spring up.

and the game of cat and mouse will continue.
If the free market is allowed to do so. Some labour party governments hate free markets.
 
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