Any devs here where making hentai/porn isn't completely legal/illegal in their country?

[Daruko01]

How do you deal with that? Especially when you make a decent amount money?

 

[ScaryFairy]

I don't think they would be interested in discussing that matter. It all depends how strict the law is in that region. Just because you're making some porn images doesn't mean you would be behind the bars automatically. They need to know about this and for that you need to create a big fuss like either you hit a jackpot or someone who is offended by your content complains about you. It's strictly illegal in my region but I've seen tons of creators(from my region) here and there who are doing it very openly and some of them are even unaware of it. They are safe but that's also because the law is kind of unenforced. I'm not encouraging you to do it if it's illegal, just stating the facts. If there are some very sensitive cases which caused this prudish behaviour and laws then maybe you should abandon it or make a patch or tell someone else to upload it on your behalf. But if you're an overthinking person then you should just quit it cause it won't help you develop new insight rather it will make you feel bad and scared.

PS: Think twice before making a decision mate cause it's not easy to make one and I would hate to see your project get abandoned.

 

[taler]

Make a SFW version and then a "wholly unrelated" NSFW mod from an "anonymous modder" distributed for free. Your income will be from the SFW version and that a porn mod exists is not your fault. That way you're legally covered.

 

[anne O'nymous]

How do you deal with that? Especially when you make a decent amount money?

I guess they deal with it by hoping that the fiscal administration will not start to investigate. What mean checking twice, then twice again, every single declaration, in order to be sure that there will never be a single error. The fiscal administration do not care how you earn your money, as long as you pay your legal share. Fill everything correctly, and you should be safe.

 

[Yngling]

Make a SFW version and then a "wholly unrelated" NSFW mod from an "anonymous modder" distributed for free. Your income will be from the SFW version and that a porn mod exists is not your fault. That way you're legally covered.

I think that does depend on the type of content and on the country.
I might take that risk with a bestiality themed game in Germany but not with a gay themed game in Saudi Arabia.

I guess they deal with it by hoping that the fiscal administration will not start to investigate. What mean checking twice, then twice again, every single declaration, in order to be sure that there will never be a single error. The fiscal administration do not care how you earn your money, as long as you pay your legal share. Fill everything correctly, and you should be safe.

I think that depends on the type of content and on the country as well.
P-do stuff for example, I think not a good idea in any country except maybe very few.

 

[anne O'nymous]

I think that depends on the type of content and on the country as well.
P-do stuff for example, I think not a good idea in any country except maybe very few.

It's not a good idea, but whatever the country, the fiscal administration will not try to see if it's effectively the reason behind the money you earn. They neither have the training, nor the authorization and power to do so.
By example, the police force from your country have the right to ask anything regarding your Patreon (or other) account, including what is the account name, and if it's flagged as adult or not. But the fiscal administration just have the right to ask how many money you get and what is the bank account linked to your page. And they'll not transfer to the police forces just because you have a Patreon account.
I mean, if the fiscal administration had this kind of power, any criminal would be caught in no times. They would see that someone if suddenly becoming successful, that this money don't come from a "normal job", and boom, in jail you bastard criminal.

 

[Asia Argento]

They plead the 5th to avoid self-incriminating. Lol

 

[Daruko01]

I don't think they would be interested in discussing that matter. It all depends how strict the law is in that region. Just because you're making some porn images doesn't mean you would be behind the bars automatically. They need to know about this and for that you need to create a big fuss like either you hit a jackpot or someone who is offended by your content complains about you. It's strictly illegal in my region but I've seen tons of creators(from my region) here and there who are doing it very openly and some of them are even unaware of it. They are safe but that's also because the law is kind of unenforced. I'm not encouraging you to do it if it's illegal, just stating the facts. If there are some very sensitive cases which caused this prudish behaviour and laws then maybe you should abandon it or make a patch or tell someone else to upload it on your behalf. But if you're an overthinking person then you should just quit it cause it won't help you develop new insight rather it will make you feel bad and scared.

PS: Think twice before making a decision mate cause it's not easy to make one and I would hate to see your project get abandoned.

Hmmm that's true, I don't think that making on the side and making a smaller size revenue from it would raise any alarms. Well in any case for now I'm letting any revenue I get stay on my Paypal wallet. It's true that the laws around porn and nudity in my country isn't really enforced, except in exceptional cases where something goes viral locally. I live on a small island, and there's been a few cases of clips of two people having sex going viral on Facebook, and tons of people were re-sharing it, but only the original uploader got into trouble.

Make a SFW version and then a "wholly unrelated" NSFW mod from an "anonymous modder" distributed for free. Your income will be from the SFW version and that a porn mod exists is not your fault. That way you're legally covered.

That could be a pretty big brain move ngl. Gotta find someone abroad to whom I could send it and upload it, just in case they'd want to trace the upload? Or make a fake account, but idk, this can probably be traced back to me.

I guess they deal with it by hoping that the fiscal administration will not start to investigate. What mean checking twice, then twice again, every single declaration, in order to be sure that there will never be a single error. The fiscal administration do not care how you earn your money, as long as you pay your legal share. Fill everything correctly, and you should be safe.

Hmmm sounds about right. I currently don't make nearly enough that I gotta declare the pay I'm getting from Patreon, but once I will I wonder how this will work.

I think that does depend on the type of content and on the country.
I might take that risk with a bestiality themed game in Germany but not with a gay themed game in Saudi Arabia.

I think that depends on the type of content and on the country as well.
P-do stuff for example, I think not a good idea in any country except maybe very few.

Hmmm true. You think they got specific nets to catch pedo/beastiality content?

It's not a good idea, but whatever the country, the fiscal administration will not try to see if it's effectively the reason behind the money you earn. They neither have the training, nor the authorization and power to do so.
By example, the police force from your country have the right to ask anything regarding your Patreon (or other) account, including what is the account name, and if it's flagged as adult or not. But the fiscal administration just have the right to ask how many money you get and what is the bank account linked to your page. And they'll not transfer to the police forces just because you have a Patreon account.
I mean, if the fiscal administration had this kind of power, any criminal would be caught in no times. They would see that someone if suddenly becoming successful, that this money don't come from a "normal job", and boom, in jail you bastard criminal.

Hmmm that's true, I really wonder how many people in my country are making money in unusual ways and are getting away with it.

They plead the 5th to avoid self-incriminating. Lol

Lemao I wish.


All in all, I think I'll still keep working on my game and not pocket the money in my bank account, keep it in my Paypal. I'll save up money from a more normal job and maybe a side gig to move to another country where this won't get me into trouble. Maybe Canada?

 

[anne O'nymous]

I think that is a bit naive and maybe true 20 years ago but not anymore.

Especially when it comes to hot topics like child exploitation or narcotic trafficking. That last part is obviously not related to the topic of games but definately a hot topic for fiscal inspectors.

The fact that it's a hot topic do not change the Law and the qualification of the fiscal inspectors. The first one do not give them the right to investigate outside of their field (the money), while people who, in majority, have an education background as accountant (and assimilated) don't have the knowledge to perform police investigations.
Perhaps that some countries have fiscal agents with more power and a different educational background, but they are the exception, not the rule.

 

[masteryeetdoge]

Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men.

I suggest that the devs in such regions don't self-doxx themselves. I also suggest utilizing privacy technologies like Monero.

 

[Yngling]

The fact that it's a hot topic do not change the Law and the qualification of the fiscal inspectors. The first one do not give them the right to investigate outside of their field (the money), while people who, in majority, have an education background as accountant (and assimilated) don't have the knowledge to perform police investigations.
Perhaps that some countries have fiscal agents with more power and a different educational background, but they are the exception, not the rule.

I guess that depends on how obvious it is.

If the stated source of income is, for example, Subsribestar, then having a look at the subject Subsribestar page would not amount to an "investigation".

If the Subsribestar page openly shows content which could be deemed of questionable legility, then I think that the fiscal inspector may actually have a legal obligation to report the content to the police in the context of money laundring / organized crime regulations.

Obviously this is more aimed to narcotics and human traficking rather than 3D porn games but I do think it is partly up to the personal opinion of the fiscal inspector (and the person in the police taskforce receiving the notification).

 

[anne O'nymous]

If the stated source of income is, for example, Subsribestar, then having a look at the subject Subsribestar page would not amount to an "investigation".

And how do you look at the "subject Subscribestar page" exactly ? I don't know all the fiscal forms from all around the world, but I really doubt that there's one with a field: "If your income come from an online site, please mention here the name of your account on the said site".
All what the fiscal administration will know, at most, is that you earned X and that it come from Patreon/Subscribestar/whatever, period. Your account name is not purely personal information, but it is not gave to the fiscal administration, because it don't regard them ; only the police forces and/or justice can ask for it. Even if you're DarkCookie I doubt that looking at

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(assuming that they know this site exist), would be enough. He's not the only adult game creator who have an earn on this range, and even less the only one on this range among the 200 000+ creators on Patreon. Therefore if you earn $10 000 or less each month, you'll be one among thousands. You can effectively be this guy who make a suspicious porn game, like you can be one of those guys who make music, unless you're that girl who have a DIY page ?

But anyway all this is assuming that a human past through your fiscal form, what is less likely to happen if you filled it correctly. You're one in millions, and if you don't stand out (by filling a weird fiscal form or having a sudden outstanding raise in your income) no one will care about you.

 

[おい！]

How do you deal with that? Especially when you make a decent amount money?

 

[Yngling]

Look carefully in privacy and security software and operating systems. Most goverment are a mistake since they do not serve the people as they should. So why should you enslave yourself to their unjust laws or restrictions? You only live once after all.

Anyways avoid Windows and MacOS like the plague. Linux is good for security and privacy, just ignore the blind fanboys and sheep about their false misconceptions of Linux

In my opinion, the weakness will always be in the money.

And with privacy and security, it depends on your risk profile. Meaning the likelyhood of getting caught vs. the consequences of getting caught.

If I lived in Saudi Arabia, there is no way that I'm going to risk my neck (literally) by making a gay porn game. Because even if I think I have it all figured out with regards to cyber security, there may still be a weakness and then my head will roll in the sand.

If there would be no weakness in my cyber security setup, I'd probably make a lot more a security consultant than as a niche porn game maker anyway.