Asked Pornhub to create a "Patreon" alternative

[Kthulian]

I just asked Pornhub to create a platform similar to patreon, maybe if it gets enough votes they will consider it?
I don't have a Patreon myself but I've seen that this could benefit many devs out there that are forced to change/modify their games and are constantly being pushed around everytime Patreon decides to pursue some new policy.
Pornhub had issues with Paypal in the past, that's why I decided to ask them about it.

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What do you think? There is nothing to lose, so vote for it

Cheers

 

[chainedpanda]

Honestly, pornhub might be just as bad as Patreon. The only difference being is that it seems easier to get around shit on ph vs pat. Both seem to disallow the same content. Although I still voted it. In the end it effects the developers way more than the consumer. If you prefer ph, who am I to complain?

Pornhub:

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Patreon: 18+ Creations

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[recreation]

not sure about pornhub, but in lack of alternatives, I gave my vote.

 

[polywog]

Pornhub has 3 game sites. Their VR website pays content providers.

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[Kthulian]

Honestly, pornhub might be just as bad as Patreon. The only difference being is that it seems easier to get around shit on ph vs pat. Both seem to disallow the same content. Although I still voted it. In the end it effects the developers way more than the consumer. If you prefer ph, who am I to complain?

Pornhub:

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Patreon: 18+ Creations

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not sure about pornhub, but in lack of alternatives, I gave my vote.

I know what you mean... I guess we will only find out if they do decide to create something like that, and if there are better potential alternatives I'm in

Pornhub has 3 game sites. Their VR website pays content providers.

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Didn't knew that, does any of them works like "funding for developers"? The most important part here is having a trusted place for donors, we all know that sites like F95zone are much better for getting your name out to public, in fact F95zone is better for everything, except money transactions, that's the main thing Patreon is useful for.

 

[polywog]

I know what you mean... I guess we will only find out if they do decide to create something like that, and if there are better potential alternatives I'm in



Didn't knew that, does any of them works like "funding for developers"? The most important part here is having a trusted place for donors, we all know that sites like F95zone are much better for getting your name out to public, in fact F95zone is better for everything, except money transactions, that's the main thing Patreon is useful for.

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over 10 million members

 

[anne O'nymous]

What do you think?

That it's a really bad idea.

There is nothing to lose, [...]

Except your independence and your soul. The society behind them is worse than Mafia, if it isn't already Mafia.
When Patreon started their ban, many voices spoke to explain how bad it will be for the sex industry, because the only effective alternative (at this time) was a slaver... They are the said "only effective alternative".

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[fffffffffffk]

What new rules are there? Or is this still about the incest thing?

 

[polywog]

 

[Kthulian]

That it's a really bad idea.




Except your independence and your soul. The society behind them is worse than Mafia, if it isn't already Mafia.
When Patreon started their ban, many voices spoke to explain how bad it will be for the sex industry, because the only effective alternative (at this time) was a slaver... They are the said "only effective alternative".

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Thank you for letting me know about that
It is indeed hard to find a Patreon alternative.

What new rules are there? Or is this still about the incest thing?

I don't think there were big changes on the rules since the start, but in the way they interpret them each time, that's why I don't have a patreon yet... But hey, if no valid alternatives emerge I guess devs will have to adapt to live with it.

 

[polywog]

If you use Patreon you are funding terrorism. Patreon is not what it started out as, Jack is owned by the investors who now control the company. He's their bitch. She even tells him how to dress.

 

[anne O'nymous]

It is indeed hard to find a Patreon alternative.

The real difference made by Patreon is its long time presence and the fact that it host all kind of projects, and a ton shit of them.
The first one make it that, despite everything that we can say about them, they are trustworthy (our money will go where we want it, and our information are safe). This while the second one make it so more people are ready to create an account as patron, because with the time it will not be the only project they'll support ; it will not be one of those account that you create, then forgot for years few months later.
Therefore, the real alternative to Patreon is perhaps to not choose an alternative, but to use them all. It's more "administrative" works for the dev, but between itch.io, subscribestar.adult, steam, a tip jar and surely other "small" (relatively speaking) alternative, it should be possible to achieve the same result.

This said, subscribestar seem to be the most reliable alternative. At least it's what Cypress Zeta have chose as

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when Patreon kick him out few weeks ago. It doesn't mean that it's the perfect alternative, but since he lead a studio and depend of it to live, I assume that he haven't rushed his decision and thought about it before choosing them.

 

[polywog]

despite everything that we can say about them, they are trustworthy (our money will go where we want it,

we don't want a chunk of the donations we make to be taken from the artists we support
patreon does nothing to earn a piece of the action. you have to market the game yourself, they aren't promoting your game for you, the just have their hand in your tip jar snatching your money for nothing.

and our information are safe).

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Therefore, the real alternative to Patreon is

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[OldMoonSong]

Honestly, pornhub might be just as bad as Patreon. The only difference being is that it seems easier to get around shit on ph vs pat. Both seem to disallow the same content. Although I still voted it. In the end it effects the developers way more than the consumer. If you prefer ph, who am I to complain?

Pornhub:

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Patreon: 18+ Creations

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Wow. Didn’t expect this from Pornhub. They actually lump in incest with child pornography, rape, torture, and snuff.

Yeah. Totally reasonable.

 

[anne O'nymous]

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A four years old information that is precisely why we can trust them. It's wrote, black on white, on the article you point.

Firstly because, among all the information that were stolen, the only personal one was the shipping address ; it's bad, but it could have been worse, and for the majority mean nothing since the name is missing. But the real sensible information, the one related to the bank account of both the creators and patrons, weren't part of them.
Secondly because, even if the login information were part of the stolen data, the security measure in place at this time made those information not usable. It wasn't the effective login information, but the one-shoot keys used once the user is logged.
Thirdly because it wasn't their main database. Due to its content, it was more surely a backup, or a log database ; my guess goes for the backup, my few years as security admin taught me that it's always the weakest point.
Finally because it taught them a double lesson. The first one being that their security measure for the main database and the really sensible information were working, while the second one was that it doesn't mean that they are fully protected.

And the conclusion is that now they are more than 10 time bigger than four years ago, and despite them being such a big target, they haven't been hit again.
But if you seriously think that any other alternative to them is better, then you are an idiot. Even PayPal isn't more secured, just more lucky... until the day someone will discover their weak point ; because they all have one, and they will always all have one.
The only measures that offer a security over 99.95% is the military ones. The network is totally isolated, and the USB keys used to make the link with the outside are controlled before insertion. Yet there's still 0.05% of risk, because risk zero do not exist in computer security.

 

[polywog]

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After the Hacking of Crowdfunding Site Patreon, its Users Are Now Being Blackmailed
former employee whistle blower says the data was actually sold by the company, their server was never breached.
lawsuits allege that the hacker obtained the data from a third party. Why would 14GB of patreon user info be on a third party site.

remember, at the same time Facebook was caught selling users personal information.

 

[Delmach]

Wow. Didn’t expect this from Pornhub. They actually lump in incest with child pornography, rape, torture, and snuff.

Yeah. Totally reasonable.

Sounds like a blanket ban on anything that could remotely get them into trouble, although of course the question is, does that apply to clearly fictional content. Ruling out incest and rape would still kill a higher percentage then.

I can say that so far, SubscribeStar Adult has worked pretty decently, probably because they dont have PayPal as an option. But as others have stated, even CreditCard companies could very much stop working with websites, and thats when you are nearly out of options. Only cryptocurrency could help when that happens, and thats out of the questions for probably 90% of the people wanting to support creators.

Oh and I just noticed, Pornhub doesnt say anything about bestiality in that link. So im guessing its just an uncomplete list, and perhaps they might need to clarify how their rules apply to content thats not real.

 

[chainedpanda]

Oh and I just noticed, Pornhub doesnt say anything about bestiality in that link. So im guessing its just an uncomplete list, and perhaps they might need to clarify how their rules apply to content thats not real.

I noticed that as well, it almost made me distrust the post as a whole and not say anything, or perhaps theres a seperate list somewhere.

As for subscriberstar, I did browse it not long ago, maybe earlier this month-ish. It doesnt really say what content is acceptable and what isnt. The only censorship I noticed was generic "offensive" content (racist, sexist, homophobic, and personal attack content). However maybe I missed something there.

 

[Ozel]

Kthulian have you thought about using itch.io? Are there any issues with that place that anyone knows about?

 

[polywog]

Paypal allows payment for adult content in the United States, so don't blame them for this "one world government" bullshit. Patreon banning things that are completely legal in the US, because it's illegal in China is absurd.

Paypal has 2 sets of rules. One for purchases, and another for just sending money.

The rules for purchases are somewhat restricted by law. The rules for just sending money to someone are much less restrictive.

Obviously there are risks involved in paypal transactions where a "buyer" expects to receive goods from a "seller"
If the buyer gets ripped off by a seller, it costs paypal money through their "buyer protection" so these transactions must be monitored, etc.

If a fan just wants to send money to an artist, they can do that, under the second set of paypal rules.
If a fan is a "buyer" expecting to receive goods in return for their money, the transaction falls under the other set of restricted rules.

If you are supporting a starving artist, sending them money so they can buy food, paypal allows that.
If you are making a purchase from an artist it's a different story.