VN Ren'Py Abandoned Babysitting Cream: BetaMix Edition [v0.3.5] [Novilon]

[Pleevy]

What did he do?

Nothing I wouldn't have done in his place...but rest assured it was deserved.

Knuckles: AAARGH, What'd you do that for!?

That reaction. Besides...I thought you liked it rough.

 

[Shade900]

Not sure how 'slutty' you can make a bikini tbh
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It is in 'Reimagined 0.7.5', in fact it was also in 'Remake 0.7'

How to get it ?? .. without giving too much away, it's the same way as the original Tails rape except Sonic not so mean, just a little bit more than Rouges CNC event

I wasn't trying to make it slutty but you sure did but I thought they said there were two tails scene in 7.5 the original and the remake I was tired when I said this but their was one guy that had a idea about a slutty bikini but the one I showed I don't think it was slutty that's what I meant I didn't mean give her a slutty bikini

 

[Shade900]

Let me find the current bikini

 

[Shade900]

Now this is the current one in my opinion it looks a little childish so I was suggesting more teenagery I didn't say it had to be slutty and if I did I didn't mean to I was tired when I said it I was saying that the one I suggested wasn't slutty I didn't mean give her a slutty bikini

 

[Pleevy]

but I thought they said there were two tails scene in 7.5 the original and the remake

There are. One is the original from way back when, left in as an homage to the original game, and then a new lighter but still edgy version, which you are more likely to see/get in current versions of the game.

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I wasn't trying to make it slutty but you sure did I was tired when I said this but their was one guy that had a idea about a slutty bikini but the one I showed I don't think it was slutty that's what I meant I didn't mean give her a slutty bikini

Let me find the current bikini

Now this is the current one in my opinion it looks a little childish so I was suggesting more teenagery I didn't say it had to be slutty and if I did I didn't mean to I was tired when I said it I was saying that the one I suggested wasn't slutty I didn't mean give her a slutty bikini

Hey, it's okay. We're communicating. Besides, I don't think anyone is knocking a slutty bikini...I think were just keeping the amount of work to accomplish things in view. Also...if you don't like the original, (AvalonX) have you used the image style picker yet in the preferences menu? The other versions look different...might be more to your liking. Otherwise, you better hope Novaca goes a bit crazy and remakes that set of images in the 'closest to original style' form with something different.

 

[Shade900]

There are. One is the original from way back when, left in as an homage to the original game, and then a new lighter but still edgy version, which you are more likely to see/get in current versions of the game.

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Hey, it's okay. We're communicating. Besides, I don't think anyone is knocking a slutty bikini...I think were just keeping the amount of work to accomplish things in view. Also...if you don't like the original, (AvalonX) have you used the image style picker yet in the preferences menu? The other versions look different...might be more to your liking. Otherwise, you better hope Novaca goes a bit crazy and remakes that set of images in the 'closest to original style' form with something different.

Style picker? Is that why there were no photos at all in the latest version is there a difference between foxy tails and nova they look exactly the same also they are much smaller than swp and does it matter to have all on at once

 

[SonicWindStriker]

Question Pleevy: Is the walktrough methods still the same and how do I get Tails to go along with me fucking him without him bitching out, as in getting to dominate him but also gtting him to still come over?

 

[FoxyTails]

Style picker? Is that why there were no photos at all in the latest version is there a difference between foxy tails and nova they look exactly the same also they are much smaller than swp and does it matter to have all on at once

I'll try & answer but not at PC ATM

Q) does it matter to have all on ?
A) It doesn't matter having all on at same time

This is what happens in game (based on your screenshots)

When the game is asked to show a picture it will FIRST look in FoxyTails for a match - if it finds it it will display it.
Any image with same name in other creators folders are ignored..

If Renpy CAN'T find it in Foxy's folder (perhaps I didn't make one) it will then attempt to look in Nova for a match - then SWP, & then finally Avalonx if not found.

In the rare occasion that a graphics is asked to be shown & there's no match at all you may see a character shadow with the name of graphic Renpy is trying to show - this usually happens due to a misspelt filename or script reference like '3way' instead of '3 way'

Q) Is there a difference between Foxy & Nova
They look the same
A) Yes there IS a difference between ours. Nova look more similar to the original Avalon graphics while mine looks similar to SWP

EDIT: comparisons

< avalon < novaca < SWP < Foxy


The reason you think they look similar is possibly you're NOT seeing Nova's at all, but all mine.

As said, if game is asked for a picture that in my folder it will get shown, if it isn't but exists in Nova - then his will be shown. If it exists in both, Mine will get shown since my name is higher up the list... If you move Nova to the top then HIS graphics takes priority & get shown while mine are ignored

Q) they look much smaller
A) Nova's I believe should be same size as Avalon. Mine however are smaller in general
I made the decision of having the characters 'scaled' with grownup being taller than children but tried to match it to Avalons original height.

EDIT: What I based my character sizes on compared to Avalon

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The scenes (the ones that show in center) however should all be (approx) the same height.. 512px high iirc.

Q) is that why there's no photos at all ?
A) what photos are you referring to ?

The only ones I can think of offthe top of my head are the 'naughty cream photos' - can't remember how you get them though... I think Cream shows them at some point based on stats... Or maybe found while searching her room ?

EDIT: just checked code - somehow I actually remembered right..
random event (20% chance) while searching Creams room and 'rainy day photoshoot with camera when Cream can take dress off'

 

[Shade900]

When I first booted up

I'll try & answer but not at PC ATM

Q) does it matter to have all on ?
A) It doesn't matter having all on at same time

This is what happens in game (based on your screenshots)

When the game is asked to show a picture it will FIRST look in FoxyTails for a match - if it finds it it will display it.
Any image with same name in other creators folders are ignored..

If Renpy CAN'T find it in Foxy's folder (perhaps I didn't make one) it will then attempt to look in Nova for a match - then SWP, & then finally Avalonx if not found.

In the rare occasion that a graphics is asked to be shown & there's no match at all you may see a character shadow with the name of graphic Renpy is trying to show - this usually happens due to a misspelt filename or script reference like '3way' instead of '3 way'

Q) Is there a difference between Foxy & Nova
They look the same
A) Yes there IS a difference between ours. Nova look more similar to the original Avalon graphics while mine looks similar to SWP

The reason you think they look similar is possibly you're NOT seeing Nova's at all, but all mine.

As said, if game is asked for a picture that in my folder it will get shown, if it isn't but exists in Nova - then his will be shown. If it exists in both, Mine will get shown since my name is higher up the list... If you move Nova to the top then HIS graphics takes priority & get shown while mine are ignored

Q) they look much smaller
A) Nova's I believe should be same size as Avalon. Mine however are smaller in general
I made the decision of having the characters 'scaled' with grownup being taller than children. However when I made the adults the size of Avalon's the children looked too tall overall
The scenes (the ones that show in center) however should all be (approx) the same height.. 512px high iirc.

Q) is that why there's no photos at all ?
A) what photos are you referring to ?
The only ones I can think of offthe top of my head are the 'naughty cream photos' - can't remember how you get them though... I think Cream shows them at some point based on stats... Or maybe found while searching her room ?

When I first booted up the game before I messed with the preference there were no pictures of cream or sonic or vallilna until I started messing with the preference and yes you're right after having yours on only I could see yours and when I had Nova's on only it only showed the original style as if nova has no pictures at all

 

[Kruggov]

Question Pleevy: Is the walktrough methods still the same and how do I get Tails to go along with me fucking him without him bitching out, as in getting to dominate him but also gtting him to still come over?

It's the usual way, you just need between -12 and -20 moral alignment.

And it's still rapey, IMO, just not as much as the original scene, and not locking Tails out.

 

[FoxyTails]

When I first booted up

When I first booted up the game before I messed with the preference there were no pictures of cream or sonic or vallilna until I started messing with the preference and yes you're right after having yours on only I could see yours and when I had Nova's on only it only showed the original style as if nova has no pictures at all

Ah gotcha - not sure why starting you got nothing at all, perhaps a bug in the script that sorts out what graphics should show doesn't get 'run' properly until you start a game maybe ??
although afaik it's all contained in artstyle_images.rpy which (according to my search results) get's 'run' as soon as you start the program even if you don't actually start playing -

I've not come across that problem before & tbh I don't understand the code (some1 else supplied it) it's a bit above my experience level

EDIT: ok done a quick AI search for 'renpy why does graphics sometimes not show especially on a fresh install but once mucking about with graphic preferences they do.'

This is what came back

On a fresh install, Ren'Py may fail to display graphics properly due to issues with the automatic selection of the graphics renderer, which can be caused by outdated or buggy graphics drivers.

This problem often resolves after manually adjusting the renderer settings, such as switching from "Automatically Choose" to "Force ANGLE2 Renderer" or selecting a different renderer via the Shift+G menu during startup.

The issue is frequently tied to hardware acceleration problems, and while updating graphics drivers is the first recommended step, changing the renderer manually can bypass driver-related rendering failures.

Once the correct renderer is selected and the game is restarted, the graphics typically display correctly, which explains why tinkering with preferences resolves the issue.

So MAYBE it's something related ?? by 'mucking about with the preferences' somehow changes or updates the rendering method ??

I tried the shift+G out of curiosity and a menu pops up I've never seen before (although it MIGHT not show up if it's part of the 'developer' setup I have and not in the 'public release') - you learn something everyday

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As for Nova's - are you sure you were not mistaking Nova for Avalons ?? They ARE very similar



It is also possible you were seeing Avalonx version since Nova may've not made a version for that scene just yet - if you look at the folders you'll see Avalon has 62 graphics for just Cream, yet Nova only has 10 (I have 97 ) - so if you only had nova and Avalon selected then Renpy starts looking in order of the list and it doesn't see one in Nova's it'll go down the list until it gets to the original Avalon - this is one reason why Avalon is always enabled, for a 'just in case we've not done an equivalent graphic yet' situation - it'll still show a graphic regardless

 

[Shade900]

Ah gotcha - not sure why starting you got nothing at all, perhaps a bug in the script that sorts out what graphics should show doesn't get 'run' properly until you start a game maybe ??
although afaik it's all contained in artstyle_images.rpy which (according to my search results) get's 'run' as soon as you start the program even if you don't actually start playing -

I've not come across that problem before & tbh I don't understand the code (some1 else supplied it) it's a bit above my experience level

EDIT: ok done a quick AI search for 'renpy why does graphics sometimes not show especially on a fresh install but once mucking about with graphic preferences they do.'

This is what came back



So MAYBE it's something related ?? by 'mucking about with the preferences' somehow changes or updates the rendering method ??

I tried the shift+G out of curiosity and a menu pops up I've never seen before (although it MIGHT not show up if it's part of the 'developer' setup I have and not in the 'public release') - you learn something everyday

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As for Nova's - are you sure you were not mistaking Nova for Avalons ?? They ARE very similar

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It is also possible you were seeing Avalonx version since Nova may've not made a version for that scene just yet - if you look at the folders you'll see Avalon has 62 graphics for just Cream, yet Nova only has 10 (I have 97 ) - so if you only had nova and Avalon selected then Renpy starts looking in order of the list and it doesn't see one in Nova's it'll go down the list until it gets to the original Avalon - this is one reason why Avalon is always enabled, for a 'just in case we've not done an equivalent graphic yet' situation - it'll still show a graphic regardless

Very cool and yeah I have no idea why there were no pictures and I can not recreate it but perhaps I can if I delete the game then reinstall

 

[Shade900]

See no pictures I don't get any pictures until I press one of the preferences

 

[limesseur]

See no pictures I don't get any pictures until I press one of the preferences

Do your preferences look like this?

 

[Shade900]

After but it's never done this before in the other versions when I first start there's always pictures

 

[FoxyTails]

See no pictures I don't get any pictures until I press one of the preferences

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Totally weird .. something I've not seen before.. at first I thought MAYBE where you installed it might be folderpath problem, such as the path being over 260 characters long, or had some unsual character in it...
......THEN I realised from the screenshots......

You're playing on Android !!! .. ooopps - that's out of my skill range LOL

Now I can only assume in the last Android compile/fork of the game something gone wrong with the compilation..

An AI search into renpy/android ports comes up with this, but I think we can disregard some of it

The issue of Ren'Py Android ports not displaying character graphics can stem from several causes.

One common problem is related to file naming conventions; using incorrect capitalization in the show command, such as show cH tired instead of show ch tired, can prevent the sprite from being recognized. Ensuring consistent and correct file names is essential.
* Unlikely since the PC version works ok, if we had incorrect syntax then the problem would exist there as well

Another potential cause is the GUI configuration for small devices. The gui.rpy and screens.rpy files often contain "small" variant overrides that are applied to phones, which can result in a default-looking interface and improperly rendered graphics. Adjusting or removing these small-specific overrides can resolve the issue.
* OK this COULD be where the problem lies, I don't know what changes were made in the last bug fix, maybe something got broke by this - several AI searches seem to indicate that IF sprites are not shown but the GUI is, then the problem could be located in the screens.rpy sile and not in the gui.rpy file

Does you GUI show up OK (I assume it does otherwise how did you call cream to watch cartoon

Additionally, problems with shaders on certain Android devices may prevent graphics from rendering correctly. For example, a ShaderError has been reported on devices with Adreno 720 GPUs, where the system fails to load shaders due to issues with the shader cache or unsupported extensions. This can manifest as missing or incorrectly displayed graphics. Ensuring the game is built with compatible shader settings and checking for known issues with specific GPU drivers may help mitigate this.
* suspect this is also unlikely to be cause.. AFAIK we don't use shaders, unless 'shaders' is a default action regardless of game usage

Finally, ensure that the character sprite files are correctly placed in the appropriate directory and that the game's build process includes all necessary assets. If the game was ported from a mod or incomplete project, missing or improperly integrated files could also lead to graphics not appearing.
* This I think MAY be the most likely, I don't know exactly how to port to Android but I'm guessing that somewhere some option wasn't ticked properly when it was compiled or something in the last bugfix broke android related display
HOWEVER I've tried the latest apk in an android emulator & it seems to be showing the characters graphics ok

Even tried on an old Motorola one vision (running android 11) and a Motorola g85 (android 15) and those seems ok as well

Out of curiosity, which Android phone are you using, can't see that being a problem since previous versions worked but maybe something changed in its security or something after an update ?!?!?

 

[Pleevy]

Question Pleevy: Is the walktrough methods still the same and how do I get Tails to go along with me fucking him without him bitching out, as in getting to dominate him but also gtting him to still come over?

It's the usual way, you just need between -12 and -20 moral alignment.
And it's still rapey, IMO, just not as much as the original scene, and not locking Tails out.

Kruggov is correct in principle, and I'm trusting the values that I don't have memorized. No changes were made to the "pre-scene" just the scene itself. And, at the risk of sounding defensive, I don't believe it was said "not rapey" but rather LESS rapey. I have often used

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with both hinting at wanting it in the text, as well as implied acceptance/desire by return able to happen...though I admit the danger in portraying it that way as that is not enough REAL consent IRL IMO. We tread some fine lines.

Do your preferences look like this?

After but it's never done this before in the other versions when I first start there's always pictures

Thank you Foxy for fielding most of that. Interjection: Other versions (depending on how far back we are talking) did not have the image variance it has now, and/or had a different method of determining it. (Old vs New instead of by artist) Do you happen to know what version you LAST had consistent images without doing anything? That may help dial it in.

 

[Shade900]

Totally weird .. something I've not seen before.. at first I thought MAYBE where you installed it might be folderpath problem, such as the path being over 260 characters long, or had some unsual character in it...
......THEN I realised from the screenshots......

You're playing on Android !!! .. ooopps - that's out of my skill range LOL

Now I can only assume in the last Android compile/fork of the game something gone wrong with the compilation..

An AI search into renpy/android ports comes up with this, but I think we can disregard some of it

I'm on a B160V also what's a rilf lol

 

[YouAreWatchingFox]

I'm on a B160V also what's a rilf lol

Really Into Lusty Furries (Joking, it means Rabbit I like to Fuck")

 

[DSO13]

First: YAY! Someone as verbose if not more verbose than me...

Yeah, lol I can get wordy. Though in this instance it was probably done in the service of trying to be as thorough and clear as I could when explaining things so that I wouldn't cause confusion. Which still happens, so shows how good that was...

Second: Glad there is some positive feedback. Means something is being done well enough.
Third, to the content: There is a reason that the decision was made to have the system in place we have with variable image style choices, part of it being...maintain the spirit of the original.

I do appreciate this. As much as I don't like a lot of Avalon's more modern art with extra shlubby Sonic, and as creepy as his early art can be given how Cream especially looks like an artist's interpretation of a legit pre-teen human with a big bunny head on the body, it is nice to see something that doesn't look purely like either a pale imitation of the original art or generic AI-ified official art knockoffs. It has... "flavor" I guess?

Even that can help. That was all the more I started out. I was only working on one file, and changing just one scene, then passing it off to another who was the 'dev' and made sure it was all happy and did not break anything. If you wanted to create .rpy files with your proposed scenes and upload them we can look at them in the context of current content, new content in process and how it relates to the spirit of the original in the light of 'trying to do everything will only contribute to it never getting finished, so we have to draw the line somewhere'...and maybe use them. I know the current writing group would love to have an assist in general. Would you be open to - 'Hey, we need a scene where you go here/do this/etc but you can have creative freedom beyond that?'

Cool. I will consider trying some of that if I get time. I often have far more ideas for projects and things to do than I have time to do it in.

Well...here my inexpereince makes me the fool...as I have never given a BJ...so...I have never experienced the physical aspect of consumption of that kind...but...According to WebMD...

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So...In the context of a '2000' calorie diet...where we asume, I dunno...3 meals a day? each meal being ~666 calories, even if a snack were 1/6th the size of a meal, it is still over 4x the caloric intake of the LARGEST estimate for a special treat. So...in the context of the game...if a snack moves it 1 point...it doesnt make sense that a fraction of that move it the same amount. Basically...It might have been 'poor writing' imlying that she's not hungry because of it...or a semblance of non-realism about the fantasy world and how much cum comes or how nutritious it is in this made up world...either way...TBH...it doesn't make sense to me that we make the BJ satiate hunger, but rather change the other part of how it references her after the fact if we were to do anything for this particular one.

My issue was never with satisfying any sort of realistic context for Cream getting a belly full of hedgehog cum making her not be hungry anymore. Just that it was kind of annoying to have the "special treat" BJ treated as equivalent to any other feeding option only for it to do nothing. It's why I honestly don't even trigger that scene anymore because it feels like a waste of time. I just thought that maybe partially sating her hunger would provide some minimal utility for the scene. Or if you don't want to go down that road, then at least have that scene finish off with Sonic making Cream a meal as an automatic follow-up so that it doesn't become a matter of "I could feed Cream and be done with the hunger stuff, or I can get her to give Sonic a beej and then still have to call her back and feed her anyway."

I don't really think that realism about the nutritional value of semen has to be much of a consideration. The game itself cops to the insane porn-world logic of its situation when Amy and others realize how relentlessly horny and sexually open they all are and with stuff like the "special shower" where Sonic somehow manages to wank himself raw and cum like 4 or 5 times in short order so that he can do a 1-hedgehog bukkake scene. Making Cream at least think she's not hungry for the span of 1 or 2 added scenes because she swallowed a load of Sonic's creamy filling in the kitchen doesn't seem like that much of a stretch in the name of making one aspect of the game feel less like a chore.

First, this was written to day 6 way back...it was decided to leave that alone. But...the decisioln was made to extend the game into a second week. This gives more time for you to make rings to offset expenditures, try more things, etc.

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Yeah, I'm aware that the day assignments were from way back in the early days. I just feel like maybe those assignments aren't sacrosanct. It's not like we'd have to change the nature of the event, just the order they occur in to make things a little smoother/easier/more flexible for the player base.

Fair point about the spoiler tagged bit though. I didn't know that because I honestly rarely play the game to the completion of the week since the endings have hardly ever changed significantly. So if that solves some of the problem about the timing of events and not having enough time to make use of them, then that's fine.

Well...here I am going to have to disappoint you. There are scenes you can only get once, and there are going to continue to be. This is not to say we have not worked the other way too. If you have been up on the dicussion, you know that:

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It is a mix/balancing act...but we are looking to maintain some logic such as...you cannot have a first time more than once (for example) So having a scene repeat and read as if you have never done it before when you just did is not desirable from a general standpoint. Example, there was additional content written for several scenes just to eliminate a repeated lead in evenif the core of the scene was still repeat.

I feel like maybe I wasn't clear with what I meant. I'm not saying that the scene should be identical upon repetition. I don't want it to always feel like the first time (which, honestly, already happens with a bunch of other scenes. There are a bunch of instances of Cream freaking out and running away if Sonic blows his load in a shared setting like while sitting on the couch, even if she's been reamed in every hole imaginable 6 times that very day. Or the aforementioned bathroom pee-gasm scenes with Cream can always be repeated by fleeing from the pool but always unfolds as if it's the very first time every time).

What I was saying is that i dislike that the one-off scene is the only way to get a one-on-one Sonic/Cream deepthroat scene. There is no alternative or "non-first-time" variant. It makes sense that Sonic can't take Cream's virginity a bunch of times over. But this is more like if once Cream has sex for the first time Sonic could never have sex with her again at all except if you invite Sally over.

I mean...I won't speak fo ranyone else here, but I would say this...

Offering to help write scenes you want > Asking us for content you want > Telling us what scenes to make > Bitching about x,y,z to no end.

So like above...if you have ideas...and its anywhere in the top two of those options, consider them able to be considered.

That's fair. As I said before I will look into providing something

However, TONS of ideas presents problems...the more content...the longer it takes to finish anything and I will speak for others here...finishing the game in a 1.0 fshion is a goal here....we do not want it to be forever unfinished...and the more we try to add text wise, then the more images that are needed to be considered complete...(Or the mor visuals desired might need more text content -see slutty bikin talk above) and it all has to be coded which takes someones time...

Also fair. I will consider what I can tinker with and make work. And I would take into account what could be pulled off with existing or minimal additional art assets. The things that are present actually do provide a lot of opportunities to at least be used as "good enough" placeholder art that wouldn't need new content until there was time or motivation to make new stuff.

So I defer to my prior comment...do you want to help...or do you just want stuff you want?
Example...I wanted the tails scene less Rapey...I learned enough about the code and wrote a new one. Was it garaunteed to be used? No. Did I do it anyway? Yes. Is it in the game? Yes. Did I keep helping beyond that? Yes, or we wouldn't be here now.

I guess the answer is... "both"? I want to help if I can get some of the stuff I have ideas about in the game and if time ends up permitting then also help beyond that. But that comes with the caveat that I would probably be of no help for things that I have zero interest in. You bring up reducing the rapeyness of the Tails scene. That's a good example: if there was other rapey content that people wanted that would not be something I would feel comfortable doing and my work would suffer as a result. I also would probably not be the best person to do totally gay/bi content because male/male stuff isn't really in my wheelhouse (which is probably a little weird considering I once pitched a complex, branching version of the Tails visit and playing in the pool that could've ended with Sonic and Tails interacting in the bathroom in a non-rapey context. I think I could probably write it if necessary, but would likely feel better if someone who has a vested interest in that sort of content did it instead just so that it's handled by someone that flavor of content appeals to).

I imagine my "in" would be in doing some things I have particular ideas about and then deciding from there if it's desired for me to continue and figuring out how I could contribute.

But this is all hypothetical at this moment. I have no idea if or when I'll be able to deliver anything talked about just based on not knowing when I could clear my schedule and find time to work on this. I don't want ot sound like I'm 100% on board with helping and doing work and then nothing happens and people think I flaked. I would honestly say that right at this very moment it's more likely that I provide nothing of value than it is that I end up becoming a contributor to the game.

Soounds like you are in agreement with Foxy. I personally have 0 intention of being part of a guide. I won't stand against it, I wont try to hinder it, but nor am I going to try to make it, or when making new content even keep it in mind in any way that affects what I am doing...sorry.

I do see the value in helping people find their way through the game. But actually writing a comprehensive guide would be a fool's errand given how complex a lot of those options are. It's easy to say "this is the one way you can get the deepthroat achievement" but much harder when there's so many ways to get Cream's dress or panties off, some of which are part of long chains of decisions that can unfold in multiple ways.

I think the closest you'd ever get to a guide for this game is either just people asking questions and getting answers as required in this or similar threads, or maybe a "here's one way and only one way to progress through the game. There are alternatives" guide which only charts one path and one option for any given multiple choice achievement/flag just so that people who are stuck can know a way to get past a potential roadblock.

Actually...No...those scenese are not/were not intended just as placeholders. Again...from way back...there were achievements for those pairings, and so in the spirit of the original we wanted to have them in the game...but like so many scenes...every variation is more coding and potentially more images and so on and so forth...a line has to be drawn or we will never finish. Take for example the

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I only thought they were placeholders because I could swear in the code for those scenes there was as note at the beginning that said they were only there for now to allow for the achievement to be obtained. So I guess I didn't mean "placeholder" in the sense of "will be replaced with something entirely different eventually" but more like "does not necessarily represent the final intended product and are presented in their current limited fashion just so that there's something."

Now, this part I can agree with...I never cared about the point system back then, I don't really now...just nothing has been done to change it. If it would not be too much of a code hunt to remove them, I am all for the change...however...something has to be ADDED if we are actively tracking how many times, just like some things have to be added for the achievements to happen, etc. It would not surprise me if in my early workings and lack of understanding that I wrote stuff in that "should" trigger something but doesnt, and no one else has yet scoured EVERYTHING to make sure all of them are there.

NOW: tldr: Most important thing to take from all that, if you have ideas and want to help, reach out. Even if you are a novice...I am still a novice...but things are still going.

As far as I understand from looking at the code for the journal and the point system, the code already tracks the number of times a given scene that would score points happens. It's just that it only displays as the point totals. So all that would be needed is to tweak the display code to delete the multiplication by point values. I don't have the game/code open in front of me to actually provide specific examples. I could potentially do that in the next couple of days.

And yeah, not everything seems to track properly yet. IIRC Sonic fingering Cream on the couch during the "grown-up movie" scene you can get when the characters are in their underwear doesn't necessarily trigger the "fondled Cream" achievement and may or may not add everything it should to the score system.

Fixing that seems like a down-the-line, last thing to do before a major version release where you have a master list of all the scenes in teh game and get some people to beta test all of them to see that their flags and score elements behave correctly and as expected. In other words, not really an immediate concern over other more pressing things.