VN Ren'Py Abandoned Babysitting Cream: BetaMix Edition [v0.3.5] [Novilon]

[Pleevy]

Disclaimer: Not at my best, emotional day, but I need the distraction...if I sound prickly...sorry not intended...it will pass.

What I mean about making the daily events "smoother" is that it very much feels like the events were ordered more or less at random, or at least only in the order that avalon or whoever decided to add them to the game with a couple of notable exceptions. So it doesn't really take into account the way that the player is experiencing the game or what their situation might be at the given point when each event occurs.

Alright, I might not have picked smoother for that explanation, but we wont get overly caught up on the verbiage.

My thoughts are that the free beach day would be more "valuable" later in the week and Marine visiting more valuable early. Chiefly because:

1) in the case of the beach day, it doens't add any scenes, nor does it take Sonic and Cream to the nude beach, or do anything else special or different. Its sole purpose is to save the 30 rings of bus fare and a little bit of the pre-trip waffle. On day 2 you will likely still have the majority of Vanilla's budget of 500 rings unless you went nuts and took Cream to the mall right away and bought stuff like the camera or a new dress or whatever. While 30 rings saved on day 2 is functionally the same as 30 rings saved on day 6, the value of not needing to have 30 rings to go to the beach is likley greater later in the week when rings are more scarce if you've been spending them along the way.

2) On the flip side, Marine's visit has the opportunity to spend 300 rings for the highest tier reward package from her, which is going into the bedroom and having sex with her. Once again you're far more likely to have lots of rings early in teh week vs later, so having her visit on day 2 would turn that decision into a big one of "blow 60% of Vanilla's spending money to be able to plow Marine's ass and get her phone number to initiate future vists right now" vs "show some restraint and just purchase the panties or some cookies and have more rings for the rest of the week, but need to get to the Mochi-Mochi shop in order to ask Rouge for Marine's number". Comparatively, having her only arrive on day 6 means that you're very likely to not have enough cash for the top package unless you're working with foresight of the game's events so you know to save up for that day and it means that you only get Marine's number with 1 day left in the week to do any Marine houseguest events until the extended extra week (which would be unknown to a first time player).

Considering the best you can hope for in terms of daily income is probably around 100-150 rings (the once-a-day MobiusList work event is random beween 50 and 150, so it likely averages somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 because bell curves and all that. And you can get 30 rings apiece from Sally and Knuckles if they come over and have a threesome with Cream. Or 50 rings from Knuckles if you have earned significant negative moral alignment so that it plays out the original rapey threesome) that's enough to be able to constantly get extra cash for more pizza and maybe another visit to the movies every day, but would be harder to save up for the Marine event on day 6 unless you start earning extra cash almost right away and luck into not getting a couple of crappy returns. But that costs time that could be spent on Cream and feels like it's a little against the spirit of the game since Sonic is supposed to be babysitting, not coding or whatever it is that he's supposed to be doing for that cash.

Plus getting her number from Rouge requires a fair bit of time and hoops jumped through to unlock and visit the Mochi-Mochi shop, which stalls getting to that point too

anyway, the point is if Marine visits on day 2 and the beach day moves to day 6 then it creates a smoother path for the player. They are more likely to be able to make a decision about paying for Marine's services instead of having their previous spending make the choice for them and by getting Marine's number early it makes for more time to have her come over and do threesomes or whatever other scenes could be added in the future. And then later in the week when funds are low it the free beach day becomes an opportunity to go to the beach for the first time/again without having to worry about having the money for it if sonic has been a free spender all week, which is again of more benefit to the player.

And realistically I think making that sort of change would be super easy because you just have to change the day flags for those events. Nothing about their writing is sensitive to when in the week it's happening so nothing would need to be rewritten to accomodate it.

Your reasoning makes sense, however:

I won't even pretend to know what was going on in AvalonX's mind in the ordering...except that the ones with sexual components seem to be later in the week when there is a higher chance of sexual activity in general.

Any scene with a sexual component that has requirements above a certain level needs to be later in the time continuum or else you are locking the character out of THAT without using cheats...and we are looking to have the game work in a non cheat environment, and not be a "manipulate the coding to drive up all stats in day 1 just to go bunny banging for the rest of the 'week.'(Or longer - time to be brought up again soon)"

As you say the beach day doesn't "add any scenes..." "or do anything else special or different" (Which is not entirely true but the things it affects are small and probably not anything before 0.7.6 being worked on right now for instance)...So one question I would ask is...why bother moving it instead of calling for its removal altogether?

Now, I say this in the context of knowing we intend to add the car in as a mechanic of the game...which eliminates the need for the rings for the bus later on as well, eliminating that relevance of putting this particular scene later in the game...or would you rather have the Car be something that is hard to do so the bus and the ring spend is still relevant? I floated the idea of making it harder to get the keys etc and no one else seemed to like that much at all...I really don't want to get in the mode of going back and forth between things people don't like forever. >_<

Also, it feels like you are in the mindset of many who default to "I must be able to do everything in one playthrough" (whether a new player or not) instead of "this has replayability - in the mindset of - I can have another experience by doing different things I did not do before. (The first is not the intention as far as I am aware, won't speak for everyone on that though.) It's not like we are building a 50Hr RPG you would have to slog through multiple times to get different content. The game is short enough, even with a week extension to play it over relatively rapidly....and there are save slots for a reason...you save throughout and want to go back and redo something? Load and old save so as to not redo everything and then move forward with different choices. Run into Marine scene and don't have enough rings? Don't get the whole thing this play through? Next play through, be a little more judicious with your rings because you know you want to do that when it comes up.

Which brings us back to the time factor. First, you can extend the playtime to longer than a week. Second, pending new content (I say this this way because I was looking at adding some new ones/variations in the second week at least), you can have a second chance at the events you "missed" if you were unprepared etc. Third, with the extended week, the rings argument has less viability since even with the numbers you run, there's more time to earn more rings. (Plus...I am running an idea by others involved that i think helps that side of tings anyway...we may or may not use it in the next iteration.)

Now speaking of Sonic double dipping (Job while Babysitting) I think this is hilarious considering the current gig economy and people having multiple jobs even at the same time these days, even if it was not the case when this was all written, it actually fits even more to have him take some time away to do that...but if having to earn rings is a problem...again...I ask...why not just call for the removal of that mechanic altogether? Nothing really costs anything, the player just has enough rings to do everything no matter what...(See above discussion about everything in one playthrough.)

Marines number is a new addition that did not exist in the original game. It was added as a way to introduce the scenes that would fill the Marine Threesome...(Something indicated form early content as memory serves) it is meant to be both separate AND integrated with the original Marine Scene so that one does not lock-out/break the other (If I did things "right".)...I am not against adding some mini content for Marine Cream, but where do we draw the line before we end up with as many options as Tails...and then Tails and Marine and Cream, (Who can say foursome the fastest?) and it keeps going and going...I mean don't get me wrong...you can see in the code notes that indicate the possibility of "more" in the guest file, added by yours truly in fact, but we (Me especially) run the risk of trying to put in too much and never finishing...

Now...You are correct...no call for "it would be hard to make that change" of moving the days around...but between the other factors above AND in the knowledge that there are likely to be other things added in the "events pool"/story content, I don't think i can be strongly onboard under the auspices of "smoother" experience.

That's all true and completely fair. I just look at it from teh standpoint of there already being a lot of instances of scenes that do repeat even though their repetition does not make plot sense (mostly from the standpoint of Sonic and Cream's behaviors not reflecting the idea that they'd done something like that before) and wonder if it would be so bad to have one more instance of that just for the sake of not having one type of content almost entirely locked out of being seen again given how things unfold right now.

My only concern is when does "just one more" end? The moment we follow that logic for this 'one scene' you bring up (Assuming there is only one) then the next person comes right up and says, "well why is this scene (with my fetish or character) only a once off/no repeat, shouldn't you have just one more that repeats?"...and then we are in a never ending cycle of making everything repeatable...SOMEWHERE there is a balance in Spirit of the original and original content, the Repeatability, Logic of the scene, and the 'Purpose' of the game. Not sure if we are there...probably not...who knows.

I think you misunderstand. I'm using the idea of not being able to have sex again as an example to compare to how the deepthroat scenes play out right now. I'm not saying there's actually a bug where Cream refuses to have sex again after the first time.

Right now there are only three deepthroat scenes in the game, at least in terms of scenes that interact with the deepthroat achievement/flag (and again, apologies if I'm telling you thinks you know in terms of spelling out the event criteria and situations. It's just to help me stay on track with explanations and be clear about circumstances):

1) If Cream has given at least 5 blowjobs and the deepthroat achievement has not been achieved, when you do the "watch cartoons -> watch a movie -> pull up Cream's dress -> go to the bathroom to finish" sequence of events you'll get the initial one-on-one deepthroat scene. This is the one and only way currently to get the achievement for it. But because accessing the scene requires not having the deepthroat achievement which is earned at its conclusion, it can only be done once since it is Cream trying it for the first time. It is, in essence, like a virginity scene.

2) During the Amy/Cream threesome scenes in the bathroom if the deepthroat achievement is unlocked then Cream will take Sonic's whole length into her mouth/throat on a dare/bet from Amy. In the last Betamix edition this was the only "use" of the deepthroat achievemnt to unlock other scenes

3) Presumably added by you guys since you fleshed out all the Sally threesome content the Sonic-focused threesome scene has a variant that occurs if Cream has deepthroated in which Sally helps her do it again.

That's everything in which the deepthroat achievement comes up. There are occasionally blowjob scenes that use some of the deepthroat images or that vaguely describe Cream trying to take Sonic into her mouth more, but none that explicitly are written like deepthroat encounters. But in that is the issue:

Since #1 is the only time there's a deepthroat scene that doesn't involve a 3rd party (Sally or Amy) and it also locks itself out of repeating since it's meant to be a "first time" scene, there is no way for Cream to give any deepthroat blowjobs with just Sonic again after the initial scene is done. And that's a shame.

I do get what you're saying, that it would require writing a new scene or re-writing an existing secen with if/then/else branches to account for deepthroating, but I do also think that it would be relatively easy to do by modifying the standard Vanilla's room blowjob. Perhaps that will be the first thing I look into playing with in terms of making a scene as a test of whether or not I can do this.

Now, referencing the flags...there's two aspects here...1...your specific reference...and 2...the fact that there are things that probably should have triggers, but the naive coder/writer of the time did not know to put them into the scene when it was written. Part 1: Honestly...at this point, I question whether I ever got to that based on your notes about it...but if there is only ONE place where you can get it...and it has relevance to other code (As you mention) then THAT is something to look into. Again, at the risk of having to do a ton of re-write, if the Deepthroat scene can happen more than once based on how it is written...it shouldn't be too much trouble to make a variable when he achievement is reached where you can chance into that same scene again...which I feel is better than just "All the time exact repeat." Looks like Foxy may have done the research on that, will follow up and see.

That said...also...Think like this...yes...I like/want to have oral sex, and yes we did use my throat, but does that mean every time we do it...I want to do that? What if I had a sore throat today? What if I also like teasing with the tongue instead? etc.

Question for you and others:...how much is it worth to have a repeat of that with no change? The achievement is used to change other scenes, and that is part of its value...if you have done 'this'...then you get a different scene when you do 'that.' It sounds like you just want to have that exact same scene come up either sometimes or all the time when you reach that point...regardless of what the achievement does.

Edit: Forgot Part 2 - Which is simply to say...I need to go through any writing from 0.4 to now and check if flags achievements should be triggered and see if that "helps" the situation any even if there is no repeat, but just more instances one can get to the specific act(s)

lol. But honestly spreading beyond what Avalon might've done is fine. Especially if it's AI making hte images and there's more flexibility in what can be done. Because I've seen comments from the original flash version's writer on InkBunny and from Avalon and what they had plans for seems far less ambitious or broad-minded. The writer indicated that it was planned to be relatively "vanilla" (lol) and with no significant other fetishes. Which is weird considering they were also open to raping Tails. And as for Avalon, that in itself is a whole can of worms as I've seen annotated sketches from BSC development that he's posted where he prepped for Sonic/Knuckles scenes because he said people wanted it, then turned around and said beta testers reacted negatively to its presence so it was removed. But then he took the tack of blasting those people in a set of meta lines in the game where he complained about it the "homophobic side of the BSC fandom" needing it removed as if it's their fault. But then he's also said that the point was to focus on Cream and not have too much from other characters (Which flies in the face of how Sonic can freely have sex with Amy and Sally. And doubly so since he rather gleefully did the Tails rape scenes seemingly largely because it appears that he hates Tails as a character or something) And then this is capped off by a comment Avalon himelf made on the InkBunny page of MisterFluffems, the Cubsitting Simulator dev, where he claimed that BSC was not meant to be a bunny-banging simulator, but was a "social experiment" of sorts where the player is not required to initiate sex scenes with Cream but rather have the option of just babysitting her normally. Even though that flies in the face of just about every decision that seems to have gone into the game's development under him.

Basically what I'm getting at is that I think it's great to push the game's boundaries beyond what Avalon had planned. Not without some restraint, because there has to be a line drawn somewhere, but including other characters or indulging in some fetishes that may not be everyone's cup of tea by are able to be accessed or not at the player's discretion creates more opportunity.

I think I can say we have and are open to pushing boundaries a little bit...but at the end of the day...the spirit of the game is still focused around Cream, and closer to vanilla in terms of core sexual content. (Pun intended) The intent of this game is not to make a sexual simulator for every possible thing...which amusingly..is not something I am against in a general sense...just not looking at BSC as the place for that.

I may take you up on that. We'll see. Maybe I will write a repeatable/accessible deepthroat scene like I was trying to argue for earlier in this post and use that as an audition/test piece to see how things go and then from there we can talk about other needs or opportunities

I don't think you need to "audition"...I didn't. It wouldn't be fair to hold you to a higher standard. Since I am sort of 'holding the reigns' as it were...I would say that the scene needs to make sense and fit, (Don't have aliens come down and abduct Cream for Probing) and if you are doing anything other than write a scene that fits nicely in one file, be sure to include all files you edit and instructions of what you changed and where for integration purposes. (For instance - The tails scene re-write never leaves the guests file and when originally done, it was of mind to just replace the whole scene with the new one, only afterward was it looked at as a change with the original still in, meaning new code was added to have both able to be gotten.)

True. Like I said before I outlined a possible Tails-based chain of scenes earlier in this thread that led into him being involved in the sexy shenanigans in a variety of possible ways including him and Sonic interacting. It felt sort of weird to consider having to write such scenes since I don't really consider myself gay or bi in any real sense, but while I wouldn't want to go too far down that rabbit hole (or fox hole in this case) I do also suppose it would be better than nothing to be able to sketch some of those ideas out if they were deemed useful or valuable to the game and then just hope that someone else who fits into that groove a little better would be willing to punch those scenes up and flesh them out.

I think I can speak for everyone and say we are open to hearing ideas, just bear in mind that there is no guarantee that they WILL automatically be used. Since we are talking about Tails...which I have my own affinity for so if it feels like I am biased against it...I am trying to be fair and reasonable despite my own proclivities, keep in mind that (at the risk of repetition) the game is Babysitting CREAM. Tails has quite a bit of content already comparatively speaking - including with Cream and not Sonic. (Arguably pushing some more boundaries in smaller amounts.)

True, but thankfully that lack of experience can be overcome thanks to the existence of porn and fantasy and the fact that none of this is required to be realistic. After all, I certainly hope that nobody writing this game has any experience with the game's main scenario thrust given its extreme moral and ethical issues. It is just a fantasy setup that has no basis in reality and should not ever have such.

It is a balancing act though...when we go "too far out in left field". Often part of fantasy is enhanced by the "it could be real" factor...I could be the next superstar...I could be with that movie star...etc etc.

I guess it could be something to look at by the C.E.D.E group at some point (Crazy-fans Experimental Developer Establishment - yeah I know terrible acronym CEDE = 'Seedy') just don't forget ATM the main mantra is basically to add/finish the missing content (i.e car/mystery)

TBH such 'ideas' and suggestions have/are considered and afaik offers have been made to help with certain aspects to flesh out the game a bit - Hell, even I've tried an attempt to help out even though I don't know nothing about Renpy yet somehow (spoiler alert) I've managed to create something to contribute... will it get used ?!?!.. I'm not going to spoil it

I will admit that I was in the base of 'keeping it basic/simple' and considered for the mystery/car events to just add the new location (Station Square) & have that branch off to new locations such as offices, warehouse etc (a bit like living room branches off to kitchen, hall etc), but I believe that this idea has been taken and (possibly) being extended to include the car for more than this one 'location'

Not gonna lie...I like CEDE/Seedy....Don't tempt me to change the loading graphics again...

I have to keep telling myself that mantra every time a new idea pops up...though...if we're honest...sometimes "Another idea" is what it takes to get the creative juices flowing in the writing...>_< (Even if it is not the car or mystery story)

For instance, with this the threesome scores could be used to make Cream more horny for other houseguests to the point that she takes the initiative with them when they come over instead of always having to lead into a Sonic/guest scene where Cream shows up during it (or the Tails events). Imagine having it so that Amy comes over and Cream answers the door, pulls her inside yanks down her panties, and starts eating her out before Sonic even gets there.

And you have touched up one of the "special event" things I was thinking of adding...in a manner of speaking...

I don't know jack about ren.py or coding in general, but I can write to a degree. I've had ideas for this game for years, but after spending months with you guys in the thread + not knowing what's to come with already planned new content (Car expansion, HBG expansion, etc) a lot of it whittles down to 2 or 3 more feasible thoughts that wouldn't require overstepping any boundaries (Obviously nothing crazy like "Take Cream to some brand new nonexistent location and fuck her brains out.) I'm not guaranteeing I would, but if I were to actually write out a full scene with dialouge and include the necessary flags/requirements to trigger it (within reason), would that at least be enough for consideration?

Absolutely. Consideration, For sure. Use? No promises but Probably/most likely as long as you don't go "off the deep end." One of the problems with being on he writing team...is you lose the element of surprise of new content since you need to know what's going on or risk wasting time...so...if you want...we can discuss some basics if that would help you not waste time writing content we know would get set aside (Say if it clashed with story content, etc.) if you are willing to accept some degree of spoilers.

 

[DoorFive]

Looks like Saru has you covered, you can also go to that same post with the link in my signature, or the previous build 0.7 as well.

I think I have signatures disabled in my settings.
Huh.
That came back to bite me in the ass, didn't it?

Well that's weird. I did have signatures turned on. Maybe it's a cache thing.

 

[Shade900]

Question where is cheese and will he be infected by this thing that has infected everyone like it has amy

 

[FoxyTails]

Question where is cheese and will he be infected by this thing that has infected everyone like it has amy

Unlikely.. taken me ~1hr of repeat re-generations and I still can't get it right

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[Saru77]

Unlikely.. taken me ~1hr of repeat re-generations and I still can't get it right
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Jesus Christ, kill that thing with fire yesterday!

 

[DoorFive]

Unlikely.. taken me ~1hr of repeat re-generations and I still can't get it right
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Why do I feel the need to say that it would look stunningly hilarious with a nipple on its head?

 

[Saru77]

Now, I say this in the context of knowing we intend to add the car in as a mechanic of the game...which eliminates the need for the rings for the bus later on as well, eliminating that relevance of putting this particular scene later in the game...or would you rather have the Car be something that is hard to do so the bus and the ring spend is still relevant? I floated the idea of making it harder to get the keys etc and no one else seemed to like that much at all...I really don't want to get in the mode of going back and forth between things people don't like forever. >_<

I mean , you need Vanilla's permission to use the car anyway, so doing so is already going to take sometime.

Absolutely. Consideration, For sure. Use? No promises but Probably/most likely as long as you don't go "off the deep end." One of the problems with being on he writing team...is you lose the element of surprise of new content since you need to know what's going on or risk wasting time...so...if you want...we can discuss some basics if that would help you not waste time writing content we know would get set aside (Say if it clashed with story content, etc.) if you are willing to accept some degree of spoilers.

No, I perfectly understand there's no guarantee of what I write to be used. I'm okay with spoilers to some degree to make sure I wouldn't be clashing with planned content.

 

[Pleevy]

I think I have signatures disabled in my settings.
Huh.
That came back to bite me in the ass, didn't it?

Well that's weird. I did have signatures turned on. Maybe it's a cache thing.

Well...looks like you are checking through all the troubleshooting for that I would be able to walk you through. My plan is to have the link the the latest that I am instrumental in releasing, and the latest when someone else was at the helm in my signature. Whichever is newer first, followed by the next as a backup...hence 0.7 Xaverion and the 0.7.5 Mini.

Question where is cheese and will he be infected by this thing that has infected everyone like it has amy

Unlikely.. taken me ~1hr of repeat re-generations and I still can't get it right
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Jesus Christ, kill that thing with fire yesterday!

Why do I feel the need to say that it would look stunningly hilarious with a nipple on its head?

Guess this is another stray Sonic character I don't know about...do I need to? Or is this just goofiness at it's finest?

I mean , you need Vanilla's permission to use the car anyway, so doing so is already going to take sometime.

Fair...but there's "it takes a little time" and there's "it's hard to do"...Like I accidentally broke some things making them VERY hard to do, not intentionally...but in that knowledge, we could make the car more complex. (For example, instead of just picking up the keys - If you know you know - the keys to the car itself are in a safe and you have to get the combination through a series of actions to be able to open it. Don't worry...that idea was vetoed some time ago by others working on it...just using it as an example of "harder")

No, I perfectly understand there's no guarantee of what I write to be used. I'm okay with spoilers to some degree to make sure I wouldn't be clashing with planned content.

Will try not to spoil everything. Reach out by DM when you're ready.

 

[Pleevy]

Alright everybody...we have several things we are looking at and we would like to get some feedback without asking for specific feedback in case it helps the decision making process. Could any of you do us a favor and post screenshots of the your journal pages from your current and/or latest saves you have, regardless of game version. Please do NOT post shots if you used the cheat menu, as those are not 'valid' and don't provide actual/real feedback.

 

[Shade900]

Unlikely.. taken me ~1hr of repeat re-generations and I still can't get it right
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Forget I said anything lol I was just curious to be honest I don't know how I would feel with as he's creams pet I was just curious about where he is did cream get rid of him is he with vanilla did he die?

 

[stormtiger]

Forget I said anything lol I was just curious to be honest I don't know how I would feel with as he's creams pet I was just curious about where he is did cream get rid of him is he with vanilla did he die?

Easy answer would be that Cheese is with the other Chao during the time sonic is watching Cream.

 

[shmurfer]

Guess this is another stray Sonic character I don't know about...do I need to? Or is this just goofiness at it's finest?

Actual Answer: Cheese the Chao is a pet / companion for cream that's been around since Sonic Advance 2.

Which means this abomination is Dickcheese the Chao

 

[DiceAura]

Guess this is another stray Sonic character I don't know about...do I need to? Or is this just goofiness at it's finest?

Another stray Sonic Character: That is Cheese the Chao, Cream's pet. Long story short, Chao are the Sonic equivalent of Fairies. For further info visit the wiki:

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[DiceAura]

Unlikely.. taken me ~1hr of repeat re-generations and I still can't get it right
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Does any one have eye bleach? I could use an ocean's worth.

 

[FoxyTails]

Alright everybody...we have several things we are looking at and we would like to get some feedback without asking for specific feedback in case it helps the decision making process. Could any of you do us a favor and post screenshots of the your journal pages from your current and/or latest saves you have, regardless of game version. Please do NOT post shots if you used the cheat menu, as those are not 'valid' and don't provide actual/real feedback.

Pleevy beat me to it, but as you know I like experimenting (AI Graphics, tweaking the script, trying to bug fix - while trying to learn Renpy etc) & have an idea I like to put forward but I require some 'real time player stats' to see if it's feasible in the first place.

I have my own, however it's not a 'true' representation of a typical player.. I know whats in the game & how to get it, how to bypass stuff and so on - it's one of the reason I DO NOT WANT stats if you used the cheat menu as it won't be a true representation of playing the game like a normal player

The easiest way of grabbing screenshots in Renpy (note on PC version not android) is just to press the 's' key & what you're looking at will be stored in the main folder as 'screenshot000x.png' but however you grab screenshot, it would be a great help



I WOULD suggest though - instead of just copy/paste into the forum thread 'as is' full size shots & therefore cluttering it up, could you possibly post either as 'thumbnail' versions or place them into 'spoiler' tags (or even both - thumbnails in spoilers)

Many thanks in advance

 

[FoxyTails]

Forget I said anything lol I was just curious to be honest I don't know how I would feel with as he's creams pet I was just curious about where he is did cream get rid of him is he with vanilla did he die?

No-one know BUT looking into the lore of Cheese I did notice these snippets of info

'Cheese has a deep connection with other Chao, feeling sad when separated from them and rejoicing when he sees Chaos, whom he recognizes as a fellow Chao and protector of his kind ' and that 'he is known for his strong bond with Cream' and that '
As Cream and Cheese show, people in Sonic's world can bond with Chao to gain special powers or boost their abilities.'

- now considering Cream is 'at that age' perhaps Cheese strong bond has evolved as well and is feeling the urge so that he went back to his home to breed - the problem is that 'Chao originates from an unnamed planet in a parallel dimension' so travelling back & forth is too difficult for a regular thing

Well, this is my opinion - it's better than just saying 'he died'

 

[FoxyTails]

Does any one have eye bleach? I could use an ocean's worth.