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VN - Ren'Py - Between Salvation and Abyss [Ch.10 Part 1] [Ethan Krautz]

  1. 3.00 star(s)

    desmosome

    [Ch.3 Part 2]

    I enjoyed this for the most part, but objectively, I couldn't quite say that it is 4* ("Good"). It's somewhere between average and good 3.5* seems about right.

    The visuals are self explanatory. I'll just say that the animation isn't all that smooth and the render quality is slightly below average for this day and age. The models... are ok for the most part. The comical body proportion on the mother might put off some people.

    The writing is... about average in my books. It will not appeal to everybody. I will explain my understanding of the broad direction of the story without spoiling too much.

    “Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.” This quote from Nietzsche is the first thing you read when starting this game. I think this is the main theme behind all the crazy and confusing things that are happening in this plot. What we are seeing is perhaps the descent of the MC into becoming the monster that he wants to fight. The title of the game seems to point towards this theme as well. There is a dichotomy in the MC. He wants to protect his family at all costs, but at the same time, he is perving on them and actively undergoing steps to "corrupt" or seduce them. He tells himself and the audience that it's because of love, but hmmm.... it doesn't always come off that way. Also, while being this protector to his friends and family, he is a ruthless killer and rapist to his enemies (arguably against his family too lol). Again, there is this dichotomy. He is really straddling the line between salvation and the abyss.

    Now if I had full confidence in the writer's ability, I would praise the complex characters and themes. It's just lacking that polish and delivery. I can't quite determine how much of this is actually a fluke, a goof, or intentional.

    Some characters do have pretty unique and interesting traits. The mother especially is quite well realized as the battered woman who endured so much abuse over the years, becoming extremely timid with low self esteem. It could appeal to the "submissive mother" fans once we get more scenes with her.

    The more specific plot elements in this game are confusing as all fuck. I am generally quite good at reading between the lines and following a story, but I was left scratching my head multiple times. They name drop characters we never see, new factions come into the picture left and right, some motivations are hard to decipher, and some situations are said to be dreams when there was hardly any indication that it was. Of course, when used deliberately, all these things can be a tool for story telling. I'm just not quite there with the author on this one. I'd say the execution is lacking a bit.

    A big detractor for me was the choice and points system used in this game. You are presented with a series of choices like "Look at ass vs Don't." If you look at ass or generally be pervy, your character gains +1 corruption (not shown in base game). If you do the gentlemanly thing, the MC gets +1 love. Essentially, the choices are designed around the MC's moral compass. That's great so far. The problem is that literally nothing (save for 1 instance) changes in the narrative based on the MC's corruption/love stat. If you choose not to perv, you just get a "...." and it skips the minor interaction of looking at her ass or whatever. If I had to guess, these points are primarily for determining the ending, or perhaps for a huge route split later on. You will not get any play by play variations in the MC's personality.

    As you can see, this is quite on the rails. One important thing to note is that while most games of this type default to a story that makes more sense on the "good guy" route, this one might actually be written with the corruption of the MC in mind. The +love gentlemanly choices are all basically just "null" choices that omit some portion of the script you would have got otherwise.

    This got overly long, but I guess I wanted to be thorough. I did enjoy this because I am quite a fan of "corruption of the male MC" type of stories. I am interested in how far the MC will go to defeat his enemies and protect his loved ones, possibly becoming the monster himself in the end. Objectively, the game lacks polish in all aspects which makes it hard to rate it as "Good." It may be average, but it's certainly doing something interesting if you are into the themes I talked about in this review.
  2. 5.00 star(s)

    Antonie van Leeuwenhoek

    Truth to be told, i was alarmed with the rape tag hence hesitated to try it out, and after trying i should say that it was a false alarm, try once and you'll get the idea. MC is the alpha male willing to go at any extent to save his family and friends if required, has the unique power to remember last few minutes of deceased by touching them. Crimson town seems to be in the midst of darkness ruled and infested by the beings who aren't worthy of a human. MC's peculiar character suits the way story is progressing. Characters and renders are great, only problem is the proportion of his dick looks like he has been blessed with third hand.
    ..............
    Update (chapter 5/2)
    Wow, I'm in love with landlady, little too thick for my taste but her facial expression kills me every time. All girls are gorgeous tbh.

    Improvements I'd like to see:
    (1) Even though i have noticed some improvements in the animation, it still feels more mechanical like a machine work than a normal body movements.
    (2) angles could be better and more zoomed in, and I'd recommend more pov than third person view.
    (3) change his shirt or full attire if possible if you guys won't mind.
  3. 4.00 star(s)

    Deleted member 3589835

    Great game the characters are awesome and the story is definitely unique. However, the biggest issues I had was keeping up with the storyline it was very hard to follow following Chapter 2 part 1. Chapter 1 had great writing with good character development, and was also easy to follow. But once Chapter 2 hit it was as if the DEV was trying to cram all these different plot ideas he had without taking the time to explain it all fully or relate it to the big picture.

    The story would just jump to an event and I was left completely confused as the people weren't properly introduced there would be unexplained flashbacks, and at that point I just gave up trying. I will keep an eye out for future updates but for all tense purposes during chapter 3 I was completely lost with what was going on with the explanation of witches and some organizations it seemed alot of things were introduced way too fast.

    After a full two chapters of buildup that the MC was dedicating to revenge that plot line it seemed, was completely discarded with almost no mention of it in the newer chapters. Having a lot of different subplots is great if done properly. But if done improperly it can completely hamper the story progression and makes truly appreciating the story a hassle for viewers.


    However, with the negatives aside for those looking for a quick fap this game is not the one for you. There's about a total of 4 actual sex scenes total and the rest are just kissing and dry humping, so this game is definitely a more story based slow burn. So if that's what you like this is the right game for you.
  4. 2.00 star(s)

    Hahn1900

    Puh not good...

    First the obvious, the renders are really not good to look at. Its not the most important thing for a game, i admit that, but nontheless good looking renders are a huge plus, and these are just not good at all. I played a lot of VNs with "not so good" renders cause the writing was great, with good story and good characters, but thats the second thing about the game...

    The writing is poor and the characters too. The MC is a mix out of several personas. First loving and caring, than extremly violent and than even a disgusting rapist. Sorry a real psycho in my book... i get the violent part sort of, considering the background with the father, but raping and blackmailing a woman is completly out of character here... his mother was abused, raped and beaten, and know the MC is doing the exact same thing... yeah that doesnt work for me... and sorry i dont wanna play a rapist. Stopped the game at that point.

    And i know, my english is not perfect, but i am not developing a game in english... if you do so, at least get a decent proof reader... its kind of google translator english, hard to read most of the times.

    Still getting 2 stars, cause there are games out there that are much worse. But there are multiple universes between this games quality and the quality of the real good ones out here.
  5. 2.00 star(s)

    Before I Forget

    This game could be great, the problem the story which should be your main draw or one of them at least tends to be hard to follow. Proofreaders should be an necessity when making games. Having a solid proofreader can make or break a game.

    Renders:

    The Renders are Mid, grainy in some areas and good in others.


    Story:

    The story is really dark. Abusive psychotic father who likes to beat women, including his own pregnant wife, get mauled down by our hero main character. The MC is sent to some facility as a result and doesn't return home until he's a full adult. The story contains graphic violence, which is noticeable on faces of the MC and his poor Mom. The story also features Rape and some forced content.

    The dialogue was still a glaring issue for me, there's the grammar on one hand and the "Landlady and Tenant/Roommate" business. This game is written with incest in mind and playing it without a patch is like grinding your testicles on a cheese grater. I'm hoping a good PR rescues this project, because I think it's something there story wise. The MC could've inherited the psycho gene, and I think it's something to observe. I will note that he was beaten badly by 5 thugs, that will change anyone's mental, especially when they started talking about raping his Mom and Sisters.


    Gameplay:

    It took me a minute to fix the settings of the Text to my liking, but I did eventually. I didn't have any bugs so that's a plus.


    Characters:

    MC seem like a protector-Hero type and showed his vicious side when dealing Drake's mom Victoria I believe her name is. It was a graphic scene and possibly hinted at a change in the character, I thought his scenes with the younger sister were a bit forceful also.

    Mom/Milf I love her, despite the redundant tropes "I shouldn't be doing this, I'm his mother" type nonsense. I really enjoy her, makes me wanna protect her. The other two sister aren't really worth mentioning sorry.

    Edit: Ch 6

    Too many rushed, lackluster sex scenes with important characters. The gapes are gross and overboard, nothing is optional, this game is a letdown.
    Likes: JC07
  6. 4.00 star(s)

    sotorojo

    A pretty good game. Worth playing. The renders of the women are quite good. The story is ok, but has some gaps, and new characters and strange developments are thrust into the story without much lead-in. I would have liked some choice in key pivotal moments, such as when he must choose to be a monster and enslave Victoria, or instead romance her into obedience and subservience.
  7. 1.00 star(s)

    Avaron1974

    Wow, well then....

    It's like 2 entirely different games rolled into one and they don't mix very well.

    One minute the MC is a loving, caring person on the verge of romance with the girls close to him .... 10 minutes later he's violently raping a woman.

    I'm not into rape at all and for the MC to do it twice to the same women in the space of a few scenes .... no thanks.

    Romance story, tale of violent rape .... pick one, they don't mix.

    Edit - thought i'd give it another go, see if anything had improved and it's got worse.

    That romance tag needs removing. This isn't me being "salty" this is a case of there is no romance in this game there is only 1 route and it's down the dark path.

    MC is a dick to absolutely everyone including those he claims to care about. Getting a blowjob from "little sis" who's never done anything like that, clearly can't handle it and he forces her to choke on it until she passes out.

    That's pretty much par for the course with every girl he goes near. There is no romance just douche nozzle sexually assaulting everyone in the game.

    On top of the rapes and assults against those he doesn't care about.

    MC is a cockwomble. There are no routes, there is no salvation. One character tells him not to turn into his dad who was an abusive dick but i'd argue he's already far, far worse.
  8. 4.00 star(s)

    DracoXXX

    TBH this game is way better than I anticipated. The story is dark & alluring which is not something quite common here & that peeked my interest. What the game lacks is choices the game is automatically set to make moves on everyone but I'd rather have the choice to pursue a particular LI if possible. Sure who doesn't love a harem but still I'd like to avoid some girls if possible (like lil sis) cuz it ain't exactly my kink. Sex animations would have given this 1 a major boost & would've taken it sky high, still right now there aren't a lot of sex scenes. Gotto be honest I fuckin enjoyed the Dr sex scenes they were really exhilarating. This game is definitely a Dark horse
  9. 5.00 star(s)

    TSL_JOK4R.

    the story is good and the game is moving in a good pace.

    the models are amazing 10/10 specially the mom.
    i hope the we dont get too much charecters.

    no sex scenes in the game at the moment ( only a BJ) but thats ok the game is moving along in a good pace and i don't think the scenes will take a long time to start raining on us.

    i recommend you try it.
    good luck dev.
  10. 4.00 star(s)

    m0us3r

    Some boobs and buttocks seem to belong to an alien race of Hutts, cause they could be used for demolishing buildings, but a few girls there are actually cute (Sofi & Ale).

    The story is interesting, though the protagonist's behavior seem questionable (like blackmailing some ugly criminal into having sex with them).

    Anyway, I'd like to see further updates.

    [Ch.1 Part 1]
  11. 2.00 star(s)

    TheLonelyGhost

    To be clear, the two star rating has to do with the backend stuff. It isn't representative of the game itself. When I tried to play the game it began to eat up unreal amounts of RAM. I'm not playing on a gaming PC, I'm on a macbook pro, but this is the only game I've ever had issues with. It was unplayable because of how slow my laptop became.

    The story seems pretty good. Just another thinly veiled incest romp through, which just seems so lazy at this point. It seems like 80-90% of all games on this site are incest based. Anyways, dude kills his abusive dad and is revealed to have some pretty cool seer powers. Though the dad story was so rushed and hamfisted. So much more could have gone into that to make us care more. I don't know if that's the gist of what all is out because I just couldn't play to the end. Not because I didn't want to, but because I physically can't do it.

    The renderers were what I imagine it is like to need glasses but not know that you need glasses. They were so blurry to begin with, but seemed to get better in the first episode, but again, can't confirm nor deny that. The models are okay. The *totally not mom* is just comical. She looks like the offspring if a pixar mom mated with a parade float. Show me a real human being that looks like that without a stupid amount of plastic surgery. It wouldn't be that bad if other characters were similar, but they aren't. The MCs *totally not sisters* are both normally proportioned. It seems like the characters have their own personalities that follow the rules that dictate the family dynamic in an incest game: doting mother, angry tough sister, clueless little princess sister. The MC has a good disposition and isn't a spinless simp like in every other game. I have to bring it up... what the hell is up with the chick skateboarding on the grass? Was making her ride on pavement that hard? And if it was, why not just put her on a bike? It was so off-putting right off the bat.

    The writing is very very translated. It really needs cleaning up. Not to say its bad in concept, but the execution is very rough. The dev needs to find a native english speaker to clean up the english script.

    This game isn't a two star game at all, its a three at the very least. But since it is unplayable in its current state for me and many others in the discussion section, I can't give it a better score.
  12. 5.00 star(s)

    pervertedsennin

    Such a promising game with a great start of a plot that would most certainly grow more attention in the upcoming months on this community, definitely worth to give 5/5 stars.

    MC is hung and it seems like it's going to be a harem game which i personally like to play, hence I would definitely suggest to give it a shot.
  13. 3.00 star(s)

    JC07

    After playing Ch5part2.
    I want to start by saying that I don't like to rate something on first release, that said.

    EDIT: That's why I don't like to rate it on the first release, I thought the MC was a guy who wanted to protect his family and those close to him. But it seems he's just become an out-of-control rapist.

    I really liked the personality of the MC, something rare nowadays, as it seems it's become a trend of developers to give us an MC with no "balls", where everyone humiliates him so that in the end he has something like an overcoming. Here we have someone who is not afraid to face hell to take care of someone he loves. Congratulations!

    EDIT:I still like MC not being a coward, but the way which is going he seems more like a heartless idiot as was reported here, it seems he has outgrown his father, the one who should be the worst show in everyone's eyes.

    I also really liked the rederizations, there is room for improvement, but I believe Dev is doing his best with what he has. The details of the models are amazing, the scars on MC and mommy, mommy's pubes make her look like a real woman, none of that ridiculous heart .... hahaha
    And the story seems to have potential for a good work.

    Only two negative things caught my attention, 1 ° not being able to change the MC's name (I think it's good to know how to name your weight, it helps the player's immersion) and 2 ° the story is moving too fast. Dev takes his foot off the gas, tells his story but calmly, the MC was away from his family for a while, it seems the only one he talked a bit to so far was his mother, the rest was just kind of a length. do some interesting dialogues between people who haven't seen each other for a long time. It's not bad though.

    EDIT: I still don't understand how the DEV hasn't dropped the tantrum and won't let the player choose the name for the MC (without having to use mod), if in several times it is clear that he wants us to immerse ourselves in the role of the MC, since in several times the narrative presents us with "you as a subject, example "she looked at you..." or "you left...", the best way to immerse ourselves is to let us choose "our" name, and not have to have the legal name of the DEV:FacePalm:

    So I'm going to give you 4 stars now, because it's the first release, in the next few updates, I want to come here to give you the fifth star.

    EDIT: I wanted to come here to give the fifth star, but I was very disappointed, besides all the things I reported in the edits, what bothers me most is that choosing love points seems to be the wrong choice, we get nothing if we follow the path of love and every sex scene the MC becomes an aggressive idiot, Euphor that you say, it seems that the only way to play here is following the footsteps of Daddy and become the same shit that the guy we should hate.
    oh, look, a pigeon. :LOL:
  14. 3.00 star(s)

    gr33nappleboy

    Needs quite a bit of tune-up before this rating goes up

    Plot is a little bit clunky and unclear as we're not even sure what profession the MC is in. Pacing/plot development is a bit off. The entire demo honestly could be stretched out to make a full game but it instead gets packed into 5 minutes of play

    Renders are decent as is but the dimensions of the mom/landlady are nowhere near what we first see when we look at the banner or create the relationships. Looks like in between seeing the MC the first and second time, she got surgery to make her hips wider and got both butt and breasts implants all at the same time. You dont need to overinflate the balloons

    Dialogue is slightly choppy but it's okay enough to where it doesnt disrupt the flow of the game too much
  15. 5.00 star(s)

    Scar Face

    Really enjoyed the story on this one and it was refreshing to be able to play an alpha male, to many game developers make these beta males, that is really frustrating because I consider myself an Alpha, so I just can't relate to a beta's mentality.
  16. 5.00 star(s)

    eLzOBAS

    For now i like the game a lot, great renders, not the best obiously but it can get better with experience, money and a better PC obiously xdd.
    Good story and great introduction, beautiful characters, i think its worth playing and i hope it can get even better.
  17. 5.00 star(s)

    jacknll

    WOW, Looks great!!
    waiting for more, keep it up!!

    Characters loking very good (love the landlady bust!)

    oh P.S... it would be awesome if you make the elder sister breasts largeer (or very big) too :p

    (y)(y)(y)
  18. 4.00 star(s)

    Norman Knight

    a good beginning of the game, the characters are well designed and seem interesting despite how little we see from them which is understandable since this is a demo
    the visual are well done each character so far seem to be different and not the same assets reused, the only real detail was the grammatical errors but those will be corrected
    Definitely worth playing to get a feel for the characters.