RPGM Completed Black Souls II [v1.3 Steam] [Eeny, meeny, miny, moe?]

[TheMadUncleJack]

Think i'm years late to the party, but i got a question. Just got ending G last night and on the *gate* of the DLC 3 and decided to mess around with certain pair of enemies and i quickly found out. By found out i mean immediately yeeted back to the library. Same goes for literally almost every non-boss enemies in the DLC.

Is it just me, or basically the parameters of every mobs in this DLC is scaled to Grimm and they all do percentage damage? I feel like every every stats other than my firepower (ATK, MATK, crit, so on) means fuck all here. This is the point where the game effectively turned into mental purgatory for me. I guess it isn't just post game content for nothing.

 

[TheDennyGuy]

Think i'm years late to the party, but i got a question. Just got ending G last night and on the *gate* of the DLC 3 and decided to mess around with certain pair of enemies and i quickly found out. By found out i mean immediately yeeted back to the library. Same goes for literally almost every non-boss enemies in the DLC.

Is it just me, or basically the parameters of every mobs in this DLC is scaled to Grimm and they all do percentage damage? I feel like every every stats other than my firepower (ATK, MATK, crit, so on) means fuck all here. This is the point where the game effectively turned into mental purgatory for me. I guess it isn't just post game content for nothing.

It's not percentage based, they're just really strong. You can't brute force your way through with stats like you could in BSI, I played the DLC at level 999 with 20k+ stats each and still had to rely on the Pocketwatch/Mary's Wand and changing weapons to get by. If you don't know how to actually use the game's mechanics you won't manage to get very far in Winterbell.

 

[TheMadUncleJack]

Well, bosses aside. 1v1-2 fight with mobs which is doable for me RN. If 1v5 or more like those pork mfs in white beach, which i'm busting my ass cause i always get killed after i end turn, is better to just run past them or beating them actually worth doing?

 

[TheDennyGuy]

Well, bosses aside. 1v1-2 fight with mobs which is doable for me RN. If 1v5 or more like those pork mfs in white beach, which i'm busting my ass cause i always get killed after i end turn, is better to just run past them or beating them actually worth doing?

You can just farm for souls on Wonderland to both level up and buy colored souls, so there's really no point in fighting common enemies even just on the main game past NG+1, since they only drop souls and some items you can just buy later.
Also you mentioned dying to them, do you not know the Requiem+Pocketwatch strategy/cheese, it's pretty OP

 

[Phenir]

There is actually lots of percentage based damage in dlc. In fact, of the two mobs outside the dlc, one of them loves to spam 30% hp damage but he can't do that if you mana drain him. The zombies in the hospital do 50%. For any non boss enemy in the dlc, I suggest just avoiding. They are all more trouble than they are worth, practically boss fights in their own right.

Well, bosses aside. 1v1-2 fight with mobs which is doable for me RN. If 1v5 or more like those pork mfs in white beach, which i'm busting my ass cause i always get killed after i end turn, is better to just run past them or beating them actually worth doing?

Those guys specifically you have to defend to prevent their debuff which reduces your agility by 100% among other effects. There's even a bloodsign that tells you to try defending before the first one.

You can just farm for souls on Wonderland to both level up and buy colored souls, so there's really no point in fighting common enemies even just on the main game past NG+1, since they only drop souls and some items you can just buy later.
Also you mentioned dying to them, do you not know the Requiem+Pocketwatch strategy/cheese, it's pretty OP

Orcs will probably softlock you if you try to requiem cheese them.

 

[TheMadUncleJack]

so there's really no point in fighting common enemies even just on the main game past NG+1

Unless you're in Mabel's Grindgeon, D4+ has a nightmare spirit i can one shot and keep reviving until i kill the summoner and other high pay mobs for easy one mil. I lost track of time and souls spent in here for SOTOOs. Got lucky to get Kate's wheel and black slash, Kate's wheel is high continuous drain damage scaled to MATK and black slash is very strong, always hits, and doesn't have cool down. Too bad i can't use them with kishingatana.

Those guys specifically you have to defend to prevent their debuff which reduces your agility by 100% among other effects. There's even a bloodsign that tells you to try defending before the first one.

I got a work around, i have extra move shield i pried off the doc guy that turned into a nightmare (or was it madness?) in the 2nd floor of doc's mental clinic. Two shots of heavy discharge reduces their number and gives me more breathing room because they can still kill me even at very high GRD. NGL, i love this thing. They drop a dozen something of black souls. Regular black souls. Not even tainted.

do you not know the Requiem+Pocketwatch strategy/cheese

If i had to use requiem and RPWs means something has gone really wrong, outside the grindgeon and Winterbell at least. Last time i used it at base game is when fighting that big ass fish i gotta run past in ship's graveyard. I used to abused it a lot too in the deep sea. But in this DLC, sometimes they don't really help against some bosses and anyone who can dispel which cancels it and kill me, like the winter witch and Vicky's step sister that kills me anyway past 4 turns, beat both using meat wall that targets it instead and spam Kate's wheel twice a turn with RPW.

I think i do have to stock RPW from now on.

It's not percentage based, they're just really strong.

I feel like most of them are scaled to me by multiplied from my stats. Some are percent by health, some by firepower stats. Stats are effectively double edged weapon in DLC 3. Ironic the very weapon i grind a lot for good measure and end fights before it gets too tedious are being used to kill me.

Welp, thanks for the help.

 

[Phenir]

I feel like most of them are scaled to me by multiplied from my stats. Some are percent by health, some by firepower stats. Stats are effectively double edged weapon in DLC 3. Ironic the very weapon i grind a lot for good measure and end fights before it gets too tedious are being used to kill me.

Welp, thanks for the help.

There is no scaling, besides the %hp damage. However, there is an event in the hospital that sets your difficulty to 9.

 

[boringapocalypse]

What is funny is arguably the toughest fight in the DLC is just the totally optional non-boss fight against one of the knight and mage generic enemies at the same time in the final room before the end. actually insane how dangerous they are.

 

[TheMadUncleJack]

Beat DLC 3 finally, and got another best broken thing and very essential in a fight.... THE WINE. This gives me 3 moves in a turn.

Praise Mabel, for being the best girl and for turning my Grimm into the doomguy of wonderland.

What i used to fight the Winterbell bosses, including the last ones (All Lordes, Lindamea, Leiden, Wind of Winterbell, Guignols. I haven't tried with Unis and i didn't fight Gerda.) (felt like cheesing NGL):

Deviledge (The candy bird, full upgrade it with the bear) + Ring of counter (Mountain cave pass, Unicorn route), lifesteal counter attack, can cancel death at times.

Two faced buckler (Doc Hyde in nursery 2nd floor) for 2 moves a turn. + Hlanith wine when fight starts makes 3 moves a turn. You can use the same move without cooldown.

Hornet Ring+3 x 2 (Grindgeon, luck. I mean yours.) for always crit, extra lifesteal efficiency. Unless the other guy negates.

This set is particularly useful against Lindamea and Leiden because it effectively turns them into jab fight, given good stats. I basically just trade blows that each heals me back.

Essentially, this set works when you don't want to let the other guy hit you back.

I'm gonna do one more lap/cycle for CG collection.

 

[Hanakoto]

Beat DLC 3 finally, and got another best broken thing and very essential in a fight.... THE WINE. This gives me 3 moves in a turn.

Praise Mabel, for being the best girl and for turning my Grimm into the doomguy of wonderland.

What i used to fight the Winterbell bosses, including the last ones (All Lordes, Lindamea, Leiden, Wind of Winterbell, Guignols. I haven't tried with Unis and i didn't fight Gerda.) (felt like cheesing NGL):

Deviledge (The candy bird, full upgrade it with the bear) + Ring of counter (Mountain cave pass, Unicorn route), lifesteal counter attack, can cancel death at times.

Two faced buckler (Doc Hyde in nursery 2nd floor) for 2 moves a turn. + Hlanith wine when fight starts makes 3 moves a turn. You can use the same move without cooldown.

Hornet Ring+3 x 2 (Grindgeon, luck. I mean yours.) for always crit, extra lifesteal efficiency. Unless the other guy negates.

This set is particularly useful against Lindamea and Leiden because it effectively turns them into jab fight, given good stats. I basically just trade blows that each heals me back.

Essentially, this set works when you don't want to let the other guy hit you back.

I'm gonna do one more lap/cycle for CG collection.

Nice!

For extra turns you can also use other equipment. The same Mabel rewards with her panties to wear on head, if you beat her in Ashes Reignited (50% for extra action, 30% HP&MP regen). Or rabbit rings (Black Rabbit ones give +1 extra action each; White Rabbit rings give just 50% for extra action each, but also boost stats by 20% each).

Hornet Ring+3 can also be found in Snowfield each cycle (that big snow map with Igloo; ring is inside chest, can find chest southwest from Igloo). It means you can find one ring each cycle, as long as can access Winterbell (if not lucky to drop it, this is the way).

 

[TheMadUncleJack]

Another question, i'm on CG Collection and got jumpscares at bonfire, happens seemingly random. Sometimes it's one or two or three blondeheads. 200 SEN, the only thing i can note is I'm on rape spree. What's the trigger?

NVM, it's Bill, the femboy lizard.

 

[high roll god]

Yo can i play this part without the first part?

 

[TheMadUncleJack]

Yo can i play this part without the first part?

If you just want to play, as in you don't care about the lore, then help yourself. But if you wanna know what's going on in the world and make sense on some of the endings, i cannot recommend jumping here and ask you to play the prequel. That, and there are handful of recurring characters.

BSI is less tedious than BSII, but longer grind IMO. I find finishing it way faster.

 

[Mr. Cofman]

Yo can i play this part without the first part?

Yes, lore is a mess anyway.
Ignoring it is a correct choice, just enjoy the nonsense and have fun.

 

[TheMadUncleJack]

TIL the game also has 'forbidden' names, just like BS I. Particularly the ones that hinting who the MC is.

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[Omnom88]

Yo can i play this part without the first part?

If you want to sabotage your own journey a. o. experience with this game? Yes
If you want to have a proper first run experience? No play BS1 first.

 

[Mr. Cofman]

If you want to sabotage your own journey a. o. experience with this game? Yes
If you want to have a proper first run experience? No play BS1 first.

You are so cruel... you want him being led by the nose too?
Meep...

 

[TheMadUncleJack]

You are so cruel... you want him being led by the nose too?

Cruel is a running theme in Black Souls, man. But it's not the only thing i think new players have to get used to. It's how the game counts the progress because it's very easy to miss things because something you do, or didn't do before doing something. BS I is much more flexible. I don't need a precise walkthrough to get all endings in BS I. But BS II is entirely different story.

More importantly, Black Souls is VX ACE and doesn't have 'common' save. Gallery completion are per save/playthrough and not shared. Be very careful when saving.

Then again...

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But well, TETO.

 

[Mr. Cofman]

Cruel is a running theme in Black Souls, man. But it's not the only thing i think new players have to get used to. It's how the game counts the progress because it's very easy to miss things because something you do, or didn't do before doing something. BS I is much more flexible. I don't need a precise walkthrough to get all endings in BS I. But BS II is entirely different story.

There is a place for cruelty, but not in the real world, which is already oversaturated with that.
Also it is not a big deal if people miss something, as long as they had fun playing.
Trying to achieve 100% completion is what making experience ugly.

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Pfft, what a foolishness to let someone play with your emotions. You know you will regret having any hope in this game.

 

[TheMadUncleJack]

Pfft, what a foolishness to let someone play with your emotions. You know you will regret having any hope in this game.

It's a dark RPG, man. And a Lovecraftian one at that. You know you're looking at the wrong place if you want story of hero making things right when you look at the main pages and tags. It's painted all over. 'This game is full of depictions of cruelty and despair'. If you're no stranger to this kind of thing you can immediately tell it is or would be a story without hope.

I'll be frank, i was trying to 'subtly' leading them by nose to get used to Black Souls setting. And by 'miss something' i also meant items and equipments that required for an event progress or to skip a fight. I got nothing to lose should they ignore my advice and neither do you. But believe what you want.

Like i said before, To Each Their Own. They might find it ugly, or they might find it not worth it, or they might find it enjoyable. But why should anyone? I'll give thumbs up just for bother playing.