was a side by side comparison posted? the new AI model ruining the charm of the old art is my #1 fear with the new release so i hope someone posts the details
Mine as well. His most recent post on patreon shows a comparison. When he first announced the upgraded looks and technology a couple months ago I personally wasn't a fan. The way Ayumi looked in the old art style was better for me.
However, looking at the most recent side by side the change is super obvious and a clear upgrade. Like i'm definitely bought in now and I can definitely get behind additional scenes and with everything being remastered the story can be more cohesive in terms of the art from beginning to end.
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sounds interesting but not $15 interesting haha. hate to say it but you have to read between the lines with this dev. "here's a teaser!" feels like code for "release pushed to september"
I believe all. Like the game is fully remade. He said it's definitely worth to wait until is out if you replaying.
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"Despite the busy August, I'm pushing hard to deliver this update within the month. Your patience during this busy period is appreciated."
then the FINAL countdown, (ok we'll get it)
then he said it's the FINAL step on another post "the update will be here before you know it"
Now he somehow made a scary ''I'm remaking some shit up" post on the 28
We don't know if he's done it already or doing it. (ok he has edited the post it's mostly done I guess).
It's time to finish the FINAL FINAL.
You can't tease so much on a release and then say ''pause subscriptions guys" on the 28 when people have already paid to be there.
I'm subscribed to 6 creators and he's the weirdest one by far in terms of communication, it's frustrating because when you read the posts, you're even more in the fog than you were before. Everything is suggested.
I think that's also why you see so many 'when release' post on this game precisely.
You really just have to put numbers. ''I need at least 2 more weeks to do this and that'' (example), then if you need more you say it everyone will understand, it'll be better for the people that are following you to understand what is going on.
then the FINAL countdown, (ok we'll get it)
then he said it's the FINAL step on another post "the update will be here before you know it"
Now he somehow made a scary ''I'm remaking some shit up" post on the 28
We don't know if he's done it already or doing it. (ok he has edited the post it's mostly done I guess).
It's time to finish the FINAL FINAL.
You can't tease so much on a release and then say ''pause subscriptions guys" on the 28 when people have already paid to be there.
I'm subscribed to 6 creators and he's the weirdest one by far in terms of communication, it's frustrating because when you read the posts, you're even more in the fog than you were before. Everything is suggested.
I think that's also why you see so many 'when release' post on this game precisely.
You really just have to put numbers. ''I need at least 2 more weeks to do this and that'' (example), then if you need more you say it everyone will understand, it'll be better for the people that are following you to understand what is going on.
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It wasn't my intention to confuse anyone. The recent post isn't a change of plans at all, just an engagement update while I continue working."Despite the busy August, I'm pushing hard to deliver this update within the month. Your patience during this busy period is appreciated."
then the FINAL countdown, (ok we'll get it)
then he said it's the FINAL step on another post "the update will be here before you know it"
Now he somehow made a scary ''I'm remaking some shit up" post on the 28
We don't know if he's done it already or doing it. (ok he has edited the post it's mostly done I guess).
It's time to finish the FINAL FINAL.
You can't tease so much on a release and then say ''pause subscriptions guys" on the 28 when people have already paid to be there.
I'm subscribed to 6 creators and he's the weirdest one by far in terms of communication, it's frustrating because when you read the posts, you're even more in the fog than you were before. Everything is suggested.
I think that's also why you see so many 'when release' post on this game precisely.
You really just have to put numbers. ''I need at least 2 more weeks to do this and that'' (example), then if you need more you say it everyone will understand, it'll be better for the people that are following you to understand what is going on.
The countdown post was accurate - the bulk of the work is done, including both remastering old CGs and creating new content. Now, I'm in the final stages: fixing minor mistakes, editing the script, and tweaking UI.
Some 'minor' fixes can take over an hour each. Multiply that across hundreds of CGs, plus script work, and it adds up quickly.
As a solo developer working part-time, it's a substantial amount to review. I'm working as fast as I can, but I have limited options to speed things up. I appreciate everyone's patience, I am working on it.
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My post was more about the unpredictable pace of the release of the game, and trying to understand why the only topic of discussion is people complaining about it.
I think that being more open about your work pace and giving us more info will always help a lot. (just like you did there in fact).
Some creator have monthly update and it's easier for us because we know what and when we're getting the update, and if there are some problems during the month, they can also postpone it to a later date and people will understand because the scale of time is still there.
But it's also ok to do (just like you) bigger updates that take more time.
The problem it will generate when you don't give a date or at least an estimate release beforehand (or not enough supervision of the steps methodologically) is that people will start thinking it's getting a bit long at first, then they'll criticize because they're in a total fog and it'll only go worse as time goes by (even more when money and trust are involved).
That's what happen to most game with the same type of release. For example, to stay in the same category of game The Curse of Pleasure has the same problem to an even more extended level.
I think that being more open about your work pace and giving us more info will always help a lot. (just like you did there in fact).
Some creator have monthly update and it's easier for us because we know what and when we're getting the update, and if there are some problems during the month, they can also postpone it to a later date and people will understand because the scale of time is still there.
But it's also ok to do (just like you) bigger updates that take more time.
The problem it will generate when you don't give a date or at least an estimate release beforehand (or not enough supervision of the steps methodologically) is that people will start thinking it's getting a bit long at first, then they'll criticize because they're in a total fog and it'll only go worse as time goes by (even more when money and trust are involved).
That's what happen to most game with the same type of release. For example, to stay in the same category of game The Curse of Pleasure has the same problem to an even more extended level.
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Be honest. Have you been a patreon subscriber all of these months? I feel like a lot of complaining are from people that either subscribed a single month or don't subscribe at all. The dev has been super open about all the progress and where things were at in Discord. And if any subscriber felt like the money was wasted you could always message him and he'd refund you. So there's never been a lack of trust or money wasted during the whole process amongst actual subscribers.
To be fair the only patron level that gives access to the complete information about the development of the game is platinum 15$ patron (from what i have heard). I have been a 5$ patron for a while and have been somewhat in the dark about the development details as well. Not everyone has the money to subscribe to the highest level.
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It was not satisfying to me I'll be honest, and yes I'm checking discord and I've sub from the moment I discovered this game. I support artists a lot in fact when the game is good. And no even if I'm not satisfied with the posts I won't ask for a refund because that's a rat move that majority of people won't even think of (even if the creator would say so).
In the end as I said the game is good and I'm not allowed to criticize the work, but the communication that I found very foggy.
Hope ppl aren't antagonizing devs to get them to quit cuz it's the good ones who will eventually he affected by it
Core narrative and stuff stays the same. But art getting an upgrade and probably worth it to play through it again with the addition of some extra stuff he said he added. He posted a better example on patreon yesterday but the image below was shared in discord and shows that the art is pretty similar. Just slightly more detailed and will be consistent scene to scene.
The touched up art is so subtle, but makes an incredible difference in quality. It's a really nice touch up. Can't wait to play the update once it's out.
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This is my observation about the update discussion based on what I've read and experienced with different games.
In my experience, communities on F95 are more satisfied and complain less about creators that release smaller but more frequent updates.
If you're a reasonable person and actually read what Tori says, you know that Tori is working on quality over quantity and packs a lot of stuff into every update, so you know that you just have to let Tori cook and just wait until release for a high quality long update.
The problem is, people don't like waiting. So, even if a creator puts out massive updates every 4 months. They will get a lot more negativity from the community than creators who put out small updates every month.
The other thing is about setting peoples expectations. If people expect an update every 2 months and it's delayed, even for a legitimate reason, they won't be happy as their expectation was broken and they will feel slighted.
My advice to creators would be to set expectations that will be met 100% of the time. This could be done by limiting the scope of updates and trying to work ahead of the timeline. Aka, if you set an expectation of release every two months, complete the smaller update in 1 month and work on the next one so you can guarantee consistent release schedules.
This isn't a criticism of Tori from me, it's just what I've observed based on reading most of the comments in this thread and other communities.
In my experience, communities on F95 are more satisfied and complain less about creators that release smaller but more frequent updates.
If you're a reasonable person and actually read what Tori says, you know that Tori is working on quality over quantity and packs a lot of stuff into every update, so you know that you just have to let Tori cook and just wait until release for a high quality long update.
The problem is, people don't like waiting. So, even if a creator puts out massive updates every 4 months. They will get a lot more negativity from the community than creators who put out small updates every month.
The other thing is about setting peoples expectations. If people expect an update every 2 months and it's delayed, even for a legitimate reason, they won't be happy as their expectation was broken and they will feel slighted.
My advice to creators would be to set expectations that will be met 100% of the time. This could be done by limiting the scope of updates and trying to work ahead of the timeline. Aka, if you set an expectation of release every two months, complete the smaller update in 1 month and work on the next one so you can guarantee consistent release schedules.
This isn't a criticism of Tori from me, it's just what I've observed based on reading most of the comments in this thread and other communities.
Brother in Christ I agree with every word that you said, that's having work etiquette and its importance can't be understated. Striving to be consistent and trustworthy is an attitude that brings success, not only In situations related to work but in all areas of life.
But seeing it being discussed like this, in nuance, in a forum about a porn game for cucks... I guess that's part of the entertainment.