VN Ren'Py Blurring the Walls [v0.5.2] [Torimiata]

[Wirwawlp]

Just like the others, I was expecting too much out of this update. I too was a little disappointed. Don't get me wrong, I like teasing but it feels overused and dragged on.

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I really like Ayumi's character design and she seems really SEXY. I'm hoping the next couple of updates would be much better. Still am looking forward to the next as we NTR/NTS fans don't have much awesome games to support..like others have said, other NTR/NTS games are..terrible.. some have good renders but have

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I'm still rooting for you Dev. I hope I can post this on all the other Devs I support but I'm just too lazy to do that and I just happen to be in this thread. Do your absolute best on the next ones Torimitia!

 

[Zytoxx]

I thank you for your answer, and I'm not a hater of NTR for taste, but I'm a critic of games that use dynamics that are now taken for granted, stories that have nothing new, he said that MC is consensual, on what, Mc is subjugated mentally by the two girls in specific moments of high lust, and make him tell him to accept the fantasies with the excuse that they are for Mc's enjoyment, but instead, the two girls use this technique to subjugate Mc's weak mind, then in the moment real choices, the game doesn't give you opportunities, it continues along its already decided tracks, this contradicts the creator who instead said that the choices influenced the paths, nothing could be more false, what about the scenes that the girl makes you think to make fun of MC, but instead, you can see it in the last scene, there are real things like spanking, you say that I read things that don't exist, Ari who is supposed to be a childhood friend is the meanest of all, this is what motivation you give , or what use is this attitude in a porn game, you call me a troll, at least when I write a comment, I specify every wrong point, you, on the other hand, denigrate us with offensive words, you like the game, praise it, we don't like it, we criticize it , everyone is free, you are free as I am. we are in a free country I believe.

I've stated in my own review that current choices are the only real downside in this VN by being kinetic af, in my opinion. Which you just now said, I definitely didn't feel that particular sentiment in your review though. My main issue with your review is that I feel you've completely misread the relationship dynamic as it's currently written.
I say consensual relationship as these taboo desires the MC + his girl seem to have are included in the backstories and they're openly sharing their desires and netorase openly. MC seems to want this, whether the girls are "manipulating" desires he himself seeks is another debate. Torimiata would prolly be able to fix this particular issue by converting into a kinetic VN and sticking with his guns, unless he intends to include cuckless routes or actual outcomes out of the non-netorase choices, this I'll definitely agree with you on.

I'd take less issue with your review if it was better written while at least reflecting the VN for what's actually written and not so much of a lowball review, I'd understand 3 or 4, but 1 just feels salty for what's currently offered. (You gotta have a damn good reason to give a bottom of the barrel 1 rating considering all the clutter that pops on sites like this.)
These type of lowball user reviews are what makes overall review ratings so inconsistent to rely on for recommendations, especially on f95 when ppl are either too positive or too negative, seldom in the middle.
(Obviously I get this is one of the banes of user-based reviews but yeah.)

And to respond to this statement " you like the game, praise it, we don't like it, we criticize it , everyone is free, you are free as I am. we are in a free country I believe."
Yes, every1 has the right to criticize. But I also have the right to criticize disingenous reviews like yours, creating a permanent mark on a game simply by some1 seeing your complaints, rather than a review that tries to fairly judge a game for it's merits, whether niche or not.
I've clearly given it a 5 so I probably have some bias too, but this VN is definitely not a 1 or 2, I've played and read a bunch of 1s and 2s and this ain't it. Especially not when it's one of the few early AI art blended projects that's actually consistent to enjoy.

And for future reference, please learn punctuation and some level of paragraphing. I don't mind reading your responses and reviews but they are honestly kinda aids to read.

 

[axxyon]

Best game with AI. Good job !

 

[Rastafoo]

There are always a few extreme reactions like the 1-star reviews. It's impossible to please everyone, and compiling all the critiques would just lead to a mix of contradictory opinions.

While some criticism is valid and constructive, others might be based on issues already addressed or planned for upcoming update, I'll do a quick pass before 0.4.2 (public release) just in case.

At the end of the day, my focus is on valuing the supporters and actual fans, staying true to my original vision for the game and its story. I'll simply ignore what doesn't make sense/fit given that vision as that would ruin the project.

Considering at least 40% of existing reviews are from brand new accounts that only reviewed your game, I'd say the negative reviews should be taken more seriously than the positive burner accounts.

 

[kristo0086]

Considering at least 40% of existing reviews are from brand new accounts that only reviewed your game, I'd say the negative reviews should be taken more seriously than the positive burner accounts.

I would tell the author not to listen to anyone and do as you want, you are on the right track.

 

[aly237204]

Considering at least 40% of existing reviews are from brand new accounts that only reviewed your game, I'd say the negative reviews should be taken more seriously than the positive burner accounts.

You're right, unfortunately the forum has taken a very specific turn, there are developers who cannot be criticized, but only praised, or under penalty of account suspension, a developer can do all the shameful things about people in a game, and he is sanctified , those who criticize it for the bad things it represents are punished, I would be surprised if this comment of mine isn't also deleted, who knows for what crime against the forum. regrettable.

 

[Rastafoo]

You're right, unfortunately the forum has taken a very specific turn, there are developers who cannot be criticized, but only praised, or under penalty of account suspension, a developer can do all the shameful things about people in a game, and he is sanctified , those who criticize it for the bad things it represents are punished, I would be surprised if this comment of mine isn't also deleted, who knows for what crime against the forum. regrettable.

Yes, I will like your comment before its deleted my brother. Just another reason to never donate to such devs or forums.

 

[aly237204]

I've stated in my own review that current choices are the only real downside in this VN by being kinetic af, in my opinion. Which you just now said, I definitely didn't feel that particular sentiment in your review though. My main issue with your review is that I feel you've completely misread the relationship dynamic as it's currently written.
I say consensual relationship as these taboo desires the MC + his girl seem to have are included in the backstories and they're openly sharing their desires and netorase openly. MC seems to want this, whether the girls are "manipulating" desires he himself seeks is another debate. Torimiata would prolly be able to fix this particular issue by converting into a kinetic VN and sticking with his guns, unless he intends to include cuckless routes or actual outcomes out of the non-netorase choices, this I'll definitely agree with you on.

I'd take less issue with your review if it was better written while at least reflecting the VN for what's actually written and not so much of a lowball review, I'd understand 3 or 4, but 1 just feels salty for what's currently offered. (You gotta have a damn good reason to give a bottom of the barrel 1 rating considering all the clutter that pops on sites like this.)
These type of lowball user reviews are what makes overall review ratings so inconsistent to rely on for recommendations, especially on f95 when ppl are either too positive or too negative, seldom in the middle.
(Obviously I get this is one of the banes of user-based reviews but yeah.)

And to respond to this statement " you like the game, praise it, we don't like it, we criticize it , everyone is free, you are free as I am. we are in a free country I believe."
Yes, every1 has the right to criticize. But I also have the right to criticize disingenous reviews like yours, creating a permanent mark on a game simply by some1 seeing your complaints, rather than a review that tries to fairly judge a game for it's merits, whether niche or not.
I've clearly given it a 5 so I probably have some bias too, but this VN is definitely not a 1 or 2, I've played and read a bunch of 1s and 2s and this ain't it. Especially not when it's one of the few early AI art blended projects that's actually consistent to enjoy.

And for future reference, please learn punctuation and some level of paragraphing. I don't mind reading your responses and reviews but they are honestly kinda aids to read.

I only ask you one thing, why do you consider these stories where 90% there are only erotic conversations, or treacherous actions, etc., and little or no sex scenes a porno game, how can they be porn, then another consideration, why how standard in all these games, the style and characteristics are the same, Mc useless and single-endowed, while the Bull, ultra physical and super endowed, that is practically, already starting in sexual actions, we know who loses, but even more, he is fantasy, ok, but who knows the real world of swinging, chuck etc. he knows perfectly well that many things said are false, many things are copied from Japanese manga or hentai, where their culture is not reflected in porn, but is reflected in submission or domination, see the Gheishas, you cannot compare that way of acting, in the Western way, in every NTR story at least 90% of the wives run away with the super cock, which is very false, or they just need a fuck and abandon the family, this is not porn, you justify with simple answers that we are set detractors, it's not true, I say where there are errors, and what's wrong with the dynamics, you want porn, do it properly, don't get confused about porn and couple life, these are things that don't have a logical thread.

 

[Lolikanion]

I only ask you one thing, why do you consider these stories where 90% there are only erotic conversations, or treacherous actions, etc., and little or no sex scenes a porno game, how can they be porn, then another consideration, why how standard in all these games, the style and characteristics are the same, Mc useless and single-endowed, while the Bull, ultra physical and super endowed, that is practically, already starting in sexual actions, we know who loses, but even more, he is fantasy, ok, but who knows the real world of swinging, chuck etc. he knows perfectly well that many things said are false, many things are copied from Japanese manga or hentai, where their culture is not reflected in porn, but is reflected in submission or domination, see the Gheishas, you cannot compare that way of acting, in the Western way, in every NTR story at least 90% of the wives run away with the super cock, which is very false, or they just need a fuck and abandon the family, this is not porn, you justify with simple answers that we are set detractors, it's not true, I say where there are errors, and what's wrong with the dynamics, you want porn, do it properly, don't get confused about porn and couple life, these are things that don't have a logical thread.

Man, do you not know what netorase even is?
That is the whole point of that genre, where you get to share the girlfriend/wife and she will still love you and be loyal to you.
People think, when they see ntr that its immediately bad, when they know shit about ntr and its genres

 

[Torimiata]

Considering at least 40% of existing reviews are from brand new accounts that only reviewed your game, I'd say the negative reviews should be taken more seriously than the positive burner accounts.

I genuinely appreciate constructive feedback from those interested in seeing the game improve - whether positive or negative.

Tons of people gave me great feedback that made the game better - In fact, I'm doing more of those changes next couple of days for 0.4.2.

However, some recent critiques seem more intended to simply dismiss the game based on genre or some other misc thing rather than provide sincere and helpful suggestions for improvement.

So yes, I'll 100% ignore that BS my advice to those is move on to content one does enjoy rather than dwell here, what are they even doing here I wonder, it's not like I'm gonna stop because of them lol

 

[aly237204]

Man, do you not know what netorase even is?
That is the whole point of that genre, where you get to share the girlfriend/wife and she will still love you and be loyal to you.
People think, when they see ntr that its immediately bad, when they know shit about ntr and its genres

I don't think it's the NTR problem, I'm telling you that up until a certain point the game was in the top 10 for my preferences, but at the pool scene and then afterwards, with Ari's arrival, my opinion collapsed. , in the locker room scene where we don't know what happens, but then we see the slaps, THE MCF uses the moment of the footjob to subtly impose on Mc that she will get fucked by the others, in the dialogues between the two, This was never expressed by MC, for him it was fantasy, but the game, set up as kinetic, forces us to follow MCF's decisions, so don't tell me that they agree on this, or that we have a choice. in other NTR games, more advanced, we have that option, or we have MCs who ask to see their wife with others, but with the rules, in this game, MC works with his imagination while having sex, while MFC, who wants to have those experiences, uses sex to break down Mc's will, because in case he doesn't agree when the betrayal happens, MCF will use this fantasy of his to place the blame not on her, but on MC. not to mention, in this dynamic, two of MC's friends make fun of him, this too, what does it have to do with NTR,

 

[aly237204]

the creator makes us understand that he only appreciates those who praise him, and those who support him, the others just because they write that he did many things wrong in the game, are despised and useless, congratulations.

 

[Lolikanion]

THE MCF uses the moment of the footjob to subtly impose on Mc that she will get fucked by the others, in the dialogues between the two, This was never expressed by MC, for him it was fantasy, but the game, set up as kinetic, forces us to follow MCF's decisions, so don't tell me that they agree on this, or that we have a choice.

So if I understood correctly, you are saying that she meant that literally and not as a fantasy?
That is literally not true? Tell me where she mentioned that she REALLY wanted to do that and that it wasnt just to satisfy MC's fantasy.
She even said so herself that she is still very shy and that she is still emberrased about doing something to another guy.
Plus if such thing would happen in the future where there is an option for a sex, of course there will be choice if we want that or not.

 

[mok135]

What the heck happened to this thread? It is like it was overrun by people oozing negativity in a matter of a day or two.
Like, I am glad that this game is getting attention, be it positive or negative . And it is fair enough that some people may not like the direction the game takes.
But it just seems weird how it is mainly the 3-4 same people, who appeared on this thread basically at the same time and constantly bash the game, upvoting each other.
If you don't like the game this much and are not capable of giving constructive criticism, maybe it is better to set your sights on another game, which you do actually enjoy?

 

[aly237204]

So if I understood correctly, you are saying that she meant that literally and not as a fantasy?
That is literally not true? Tell me where she mentioned that she REALLY wanted to do that and that it wasnt just to satisfy MC's fantasy.
She even said so herself that she is still very shy and that she is still emberrased about doing something to another guy.
Plus if such thing would happen in the future where there is an option for a sex, of course there will be choice if we want that or not.

where did she say it, tell me, which of the two of them, in the moment of sex, pushes for her to go with other guys, what continues to undermine ARI in MC with those words in her ear, doesn't she always throw that idea at him, just as it is Ari who in the pool he tries with a friend and with MCF, then he always nails MC, like in the dressing room, who decides to play that slapping game in collaboration with MCF, who shows his ass to the two behind it which is dripping, then tell me, and MC , or is it the other 3 are forcing him down that path, You consider friends people who make fun of you and laugh at your flaws, and lead to the dark side MFC, you really don't see all these things.

 

[aly237204]

MFC is shy, are you joking, she clearly said that many of her exes left them out of jealousy, and that MC is ideal because she allows him to do what is truly in her, I believe that this with shyness just doesn't exist, MCF encourages towards this path Mc, starting with the car ride, and you say she's shy, hahahaha

 

[Torimiata]

where did she say it, tell me, which of the two of them, in the moment of sex, pushes for her to go with other guys, what continues to undermine ARI in MC with those words in her ear, doesn't she always throw that idea at him, just as it is Ari who in the pool he tries with a friend and with MCF, then he always nails MC, like in the dressing room, who decides to play that slapping game in collaboration with MCF, who shows his ass to the two behind it which is dripping, then tell me, and MC , or is it the other 3 are forcing him down that path, You consider friends people who make fun of you and laugh at your flaws, and lead to the dark side MFC, you really don't see all these things.

That's a better discussion point than previous conversations, I'll take the bait for the sake of other people reading but it's in the story:

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Still, it's a NTS game and that's not gonna change, I'm sorry if you wanted something different, perhaps another game in the future, but this story has a specific vision.

 

[aly237204]

That's a better discussion point than previous conversations, I'll take the bait for the sake of other people reading but it's in the story:

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Besides, do you really know what went behind the curtains?

Also 0.4.1 has a better flow in the whole curtain scene leading up to that moment. That's the issue of playing earlier builds...

Still, it's a NTS game and that's not gonna change, I'm sorry if you wanted something different, perhaps another game in the future, but this story has a specific vision.

Thank you for your intervention, but you see in that dialogue, it's always her who sets up the conversation, and MC responds accordingly, but the choice is already set, because she's our option, the red bottom, I don't think it's her self-spanking, right, tell me if I'm wrong, then you showed in the handjob coin, image of her showing her ass with her wet pussy to whoever is spanking her, don't you find it a forced action to force MC to accept things.

 

[Rickk2029]

By the way, as a supporter of the game, I also have considerations about the game's development, and I addressed them directly to Torimiata on prateon, who was very receptive in a constructive manner, unlike others who have been providing feedback for free

 

[LoyalSilence]

I just wanted to say that I really appreciate this game Torimiata. I've lurked on here for a while but I've never left a review before and I'm happy to support it on Patreon. Keep up the great work!