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If I knew it would be just lesbian shit( except the exhibitionism, that part was ok), I would have skipped this update. Though the cliffhanger got me excited for the next update.
It's strange how he puts so much time on lesbian stuff in the game when it's probably the least thing anybody asks for/cares about. Literally skipped through it all the previous updates and seeing it again is just disappointing.
- Oct 13, 2016
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genuine supporters will not care if its leaked.
but the "eager" dude that "could" join (and leave) just for the early download will now instead download here.
so Im sad Tori lost that income.
even so, keep going and u get more and more people supporting u.
also, about the update. its good. we need situations to push it further, it we are going too fast it will ruin it.
there will always be people that don't agree and want hardcore stuff immediately.
but the "eager" dude that "could" join (and leave) just for the early download will now instead download here.
so Im sad Tori lost that income.
even so, keep going and u get more and more people supporting u.
also, about the update. its good. we need situations to push it further, it we are going too fast it will ruin it.
there will always be people that don't agree and want hardcore stuff immediately.
Honestly there isn't nearly enough Yuri swinging/NTS content out there, so I'm very hyped to see the update once it's public.
Just finished update, completely agree. The entire thing was tonally weird for that reason....it'd be more at home in a harem-style game; very odd fork for a game focused on nts, which at the risk of sounding gay
, is usually about a girl and other GUYS.Or another way to look at it - this update would have made more sense if it came earlier; most of the focus was on exhibitionism....but that kinda falls flat after there's already been physical touching. If the start of the story was Ayumi and mc dirty talking to each other, then the toga party where she shows off for others, then followed by the pool events and dressing room stuff, I think that order would make more sense.
Not sure I get what you mean here boss. I mean, I understand not being as interested in yuri NTS for whatever reason, but why wouldn't it belong in an NTS game? Why would it be a fork that's more "harem-styled"?The entire thing was tonally weird for that reason....it'd be more at home in a harem-style game; very odd fork for a game focused on nts, which at the risk of sounding gay
I suppose it comes down to whether you come into these games from a western sharing type framework or an eastern manga type framework. I can see how it wouldn't be incongruent with the latter, but for me in the former, there's no connection. Having girls make out and feel up girls (including your girlfriend) is the stuff of frat parties, not hotwife scenarios.
On the leak, enough has been said - just know that I really appreciate the continued support you all have shown. As I mentioned when the previous leaks happened, numbers show clear impact but I remain committed to making this game as long as there are enough people enjoying it.
Regarding the feedback, thanks for sharing your thoughts and ideas. Keep in mind these early releases are not the final version! Similar to past updates, elements of the plot and how some sections flow will evolve before the public launch. (You should see previous leak update comments too...)
With that said, yuri content was always planned from day one, but perhaps a tag is warranted for those concerned - cooking should be tagged too, by the way
It's gonna be hard to make everyone happy so I have to focus on the original vision for the story as I believe in this story direction but I hope you will too, even if it means some parts may not be everyone's cup of tea.
But I've got some ideas already for a version 0.5.1 that I think will improve the experience without major changes, still gathering more feedback on discord and brainstorming.
Lastly, if you have played then you know I'm really hyped about the next major update because of where the story ends...
Regarding the feedback, thanks for sharing your thoughts and ideas. Keep in mind these early releases are not the final version! Similar to past updates, elements of the plot and how some sections flow will evolve before the public launch. (You should see previous leak update comments too...)
With that said, yuri content was always planned from day one, but perhaps a tag is warranted for those concerned - cooking should be tagged too, by the way
It's gonna be hard to make everyone happy so I have to focus on the original vision for the story as I believe in this story direction but I hope you will too, even if it means some parts may not be everyone's cup of tea.
But I've got some ideas already for a version 0.5.1 that I think will improve the experience without major changes, still gathering more feedback on discord and brainstorming.
Lastly, if you have played then you know I'm really hyped about the next major update because of where the story ends...
I don't really see how that western vs eastern idea comes into it at all. I agree "the west" fetishizes lesbian sex in a way that could be considered non-threatening to many straight men, but people do that in "the east" all the time too. It's not like girls casually fondling and molesting each other isn't a super common trope in manga.
Cultural elements aside tho, the whole idea is just weird fundamentally imo. Like what? You're not getting cucked if your partner does it with a woman instead of a man? Why? Because you think the girl doing it is hot? Maybe because you don't feel like your position as a masculine partner is being threatened? If she's cucking you then she's cucking you mane, doesn't matter if it's with a dick or a strap-on lmao.
Not saying you can't like what you like or anything tho, I just think that perspective is kinda baffling.
- Mar 30, 2019
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I understand why some people are disappointed with this update including me. This game is my number 1 nts, it has a story and characters with personalities that captivate us and will evoke emotions while playing the game even without any sex scene, but just watching the couple discover each other fantasies and accepting each other and experiencing the thrill of those kinks together is really nice, personally I haven't played any game like this specially without ntr (hopefully it's stay like this), what makes me disappointed is I had high expectation before the update, I don't mind waiting as long as the dev make something good, but when you wait this long and expecting a good update, and you get yuri scene that are not really needed, well it's normal to feel disappointed after all that anticipation and wait, and also yuri and nts? I don't know about anyone here but me personally it doesn't click. Of course that is my opinion. I hope the dev continue with his work, as long as it stays nts, and we see more of the romance between the couple, I can wait hopefully the next update will be good, just please no more yuri.
At the most basic level I'd shrug and say iunno, I just prefer it that way.
If pressed to come up with some philosophical or sociological theory, I'd guess it's because 1) Lesbian porn doesnt excite me as much as heterosexual porn does, and ultimately that's the appeal in sharing/nts for me, it's like watching a live porn with your girlfriend as the star, 2) Much of the eroticism comes from the taboo, and assuming the girlfriend is heterosexual, seeing her mess with other girls can be written off as party hijinx, whereas other guys adds more romantic/sexual tension.
- Aug 11, 2023
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Don't let these hypocrites get to you. They'll tell you to make the game you want then complain when you do. If they don't like it, they can take their own advice and ignore the thread and move on.On the leak, enough has been said - just know that I really appreciate the continued support you all have shown. As I mentioned when the previous leaks happened, numbers show clear impact but I remain committed to making this game as long as there are enough people enjoying it.
Regarding the feedback, thanks for sharing your thoughts and ideas. Keep in mind these early releases are not the final version! Similar to past updates, elements of the plot and how some sections flow will evolve before the public launch. (You should see previous leak update comments too...)
With that said, yuri content was always planned from day one, but perhaps a tag is warranted for those concerned - cooking should be tagged too, by the way
It's gonna be hard to make everyone happy so I have to focus on the original vision for the story as I believe in this story direction but I hope you will too, even if it means some parts may not be everyone's cup of tea.
But I've got some ideas already for a version 0.5.1 that I think will improve the experience without major changes, still gathering more feedback on discord and brainstorming.
Lastly, if you have played then you know I'm really hyped about the next major update because of where the story ends...
- Aug 13, 2021
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Ah that's a shame. I was already on the fence about continuing to play this after the last update, but I will definitely skip this update.Just finished update, completely agree. The entire thing was tonally weird for that reason....it'd be more at home in a harem-style game; very odd fork for a game focused on nts, which at the risk of sounding gay
Or another way to look at it - this update would have made more sense if it came earlier; most of the focus was on exhibitionism....but that kinda falls flat after there's already been physical touching. If the start of the story was Ayumi and mc dirty talking to each other, then the toga party where she shows off for others, then followed by the pool events and dressing room stuff, I think that order would make more sense.
This is not how capitalism works.
First, Patrons are not compensating for labor. They are donating to an artist they support. Devs are not the employees of their Patrons.
Second, he did not release this product. Someone stole a pre-release prototype and released it early.
I get that this is "a pirate site" and I have downloaded games from here for free same as everyone else. I do try to support devs I like when I can. But just admit you like the stolen goods, don't try to justify the theft.
earlier in this thread i made some posts about how tori should communicate more. i know these amount to negative criticism, but i hope i demonstrated enough good nature in my comments that these came off as constructive and not me trashing the dev.
that said, i think the lukewarm reception to this update stems partially from it taking so long and people being in a hyped up "ANY DAY NOW!!!!" state for too long. it let the expectations build and build and it's very difficult to impress people when things get that built up.
if this were just one update that people didn't connect with, they would shrug and wait for the next one coming in a few weeks. but with longer gaps between releases, people's expectations rise and rise.
for this reason i think tori would be smart to try out smaller, more frequent releases, to better manage hype. this might also give an opportunity to see reactions and incorporate feedback more quickly, instead of over-committing to an idea in a giant update and finding out later people don't like it (but i say that with caution, because as i have said many times before, the artist should do whatever they want in their heart, chasing the approval of the degenerates who play these games is never a good idea)
that said, i think the lukewarm reception to this update stems partially from it taking so long and people being in a hyped up "ANY DAY NOW!!!!" state for too long. it let the expectations build and build and it's very difficult to impress people when things get that built up.
if this were just one update that people didn't connect with, they would shrug and wait for the next one coming in a few weeks. but with longer gaps between releases, people's expectations rise and rise.
for this reason i think tori would be smart to try out smaller, more frequent releases, to better manage hype. this might also give an opportunity to see reactions and incorporate feedback more quickly, instead of over-committing to an idea in a giant update and finding out later people don't like it (but i say that with caution, because as i have said many times before, the artist should do whatever they want in their heart, chasing the approval of the degenerates who play these games is never a good idea)
Capitalism, excluding the free-market part of it, isn't legal.
Let's say a small population lives on a small island. Someone comes in and somehow purchases all the land. He asks of the inhabitants that they either become his slaves or produce their own land. The inhabitants can't obviously produce land, so they'd drown in the sea. They have the choice between being enslaved by someone who didn't produce any wealth, or die in the sea.
This situation is what's called extortion by the exploitation of the cost of producing redundancy, and that's also capitalism. Just someone owning land, natural capital, and seeking a compensation for its access and under the threat of being forced to waste resources replacing it. Or die if they can't.
When you produce a game, you are warranted to a compensation for your labor. However, the reproduction of your game by computers and the transfer through networks isn't of your doing. You can sell one game copy legally, the rest is extortion. Once you have consented to the production of one game copy, or one game update copy, additional transfers of that game doesn't increase your cost, and thus doesn't warrant additional compensations. If you withhold the game after consenting to a compensation, you exploit the cost of replacing it.
If people don't pay you, then you won't be willing to produce a game. If people desire your game, it's advantageous for them to pay you. I myself pay of a patreon because I want it to exist. Once you've consented to a compensation for your labor, that's all you deserve, that's fairness.
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