VN Ren'Py Blurring the Walls [v0.5.27] [Torimiata]

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mok135

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I read somewhere that patreon will block AI made games.
When this is true all developers who are using AI will back out of their current project.

By the way I don't understand why a developer need so much time to to put out an update for an AI game.
The pictures are generated and not hand drawn or animated.
I don't believe in excuses like "I'm not happy with the outcome and I need another three months to polish it"
Bullshit!
If I would be the dev, I would update the game as intended.
Even if I'm unhappy with the result, with the next update I could change and fix it at a later date.
Every videogame company is doing it this way nowadays, they patch theirs games all the time.
Don't get me wrong folks, I like the game, but I'm tired of excuses.
Soooo... You want adult gamedevs to follow the cancerous practices of mainstream gamedevs? Put out a low quality, bugged and most likely unoriginal product and maaaaaaaybe fix it later? This is literally one of the most hated things about the current game industry. You sound absolutely insane.
 

SideshowBobNo.2

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EDIT: Also tf you mean "not animated"? Do you even play the game? Some scenes are in fact animated.
Sorry somehow I forgot that this game has animation, I replayed some scenes now.
But to be honest, they are just some repeated movements.
It's still an easy made game and to update it should not take so long.
Yeah I know that the devs mostly work alone and don't have much free time.
But they still don't work on games like RDR2 or Final Fantasy XVI or whatever.
You want adult gamedevs to follow the cancerous practices of mainstream gamedevs? Put out a low quality, bugged and most likely unoriginal product and maaaaaaaybe fix it later?
I don't like this approach either, but it's better to play a patched game than waiting two more years longer.
Sometimes the delay is not worth it, because the product is still unpolished.
So I gave up the hope of bug free and polished releases.
By the way do you really compare adult games with triple a Video/PC games? (triple a games can suck too, no doubt)
My mistake, I do it also. :LOL:
You sound absolutely insane.
Yes Sir, you are right.:cool:(y)

It looks like I annoyed some fans with my comment.:unsure:
I'm not a hater of this game, but I wont lie either.
I read too many excuses since I joined this site.
I just fear that the abandoned tag is incoming.
 
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Jdsiis

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I wonder how the Patreon will be affected. Tori, keep us posted on it, as your game is mostly hand drawn, with AI to fill in certain things it might be exempt from the ban?
 

Caninenappe

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I'm always surprised that people criticize games or developers but stay waiting for updates and start criticizing again. If I don't like something, I change games but I don't try to disgust others.
I love this game and wish good luck to Torimata despite all the nonsense that can be read here about the fabulous work he does. If some are so good and have development ideas, make your own games so we can enjoy them, but don't criticize those who work for our fun. Just changing games, there is no shortage of offers with the hundreds of games on the site.
Torimiata, please, keep the courage and continue your work as you imagined at the beginning despite the criticisms; Many love your work.
 
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Torimiata

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Thanks to everyone who quickly offered support and pushed back on the non-sense. I'm looking forward to releasing 0.6 and hope it meets your expectations.

Regarding Patreon concerns, I sympathize with affected projects and strongly disagree with the unfair treatment many content creators face. I can't imagine depending on Patreon as sole source of income with such uncertainty.

With that said, I'm not overly worried about Patreon bans, here's why:
- The project strictly adheres to Patreon's terms and conditions, including Discord - thanks to the amazing proactive moderation team helping out.
- Work is clearly fictional, drawn-style (no one will confuse it for photographic material), and, due to the nature of the story, it avoids anything forbidden.
- At this stage, 0.6 will be completed regardless, even if something were to happen with Patreon.
- At the end of the day, I can't control Patreon's policies or the regulations they face. I'm hoping they'll find a balance between compliance and supporting creators. No point in worrying too much about something I control so little though.
 

SideshowBobNo.2

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make your own games so we can enjoy them, but don't criticize those who work for our fun
The good old knockout argument, I read it one day ago on this site against another member.
I know it's forbidden to criticize because...

If you don't make cars don't criticize car manufacturers.
If you don't run for a political position don't criticize politicians.
If you don't make games don't criticize game makers.
This example list could go on for hours...

Without criticism there is no progress my friend.

Edit: folks I'm out now and will not reply anymore.
"please enjoy the game" it's good
 
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xxsasukexxslayerxx

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why is everyone freaking out? one guy said "i read somewhere patreon is banning AI games" and everyone just believes him lol

Well if you wanna get really spicy any game with visuals has some ~*really*~ loose copyright distinctions。So If someone wanted to they could rip out all the assets of this train it blend it and lightly change it and it would be ~*cool*~ These AI games are open season surprised no-one has done that yet and released it on patreon
 
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Torimiata

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The good old knockout argument, I read it one day ago on this site against another member.
I know it's forbidden to criticize because...

If you don't make cars don't criticize car manufacturers.
If you don't run for a political position don't criticize politicians.
If you don't make games don't criticize game makers.
This example list could go on for hours...

Without criticism there is no progress my friend.

Edit: folks I'm out now and will not reply anymore.
"please enjoy the game" it's good
I understand why your comment might have come across as tone deaf to others. I'd love to hear specific feedback about the game itself because it's finally getting closer (check the Patreon post!) and you made some pretty strong statements that can be quite controversial (releasing a super rushed version that is not well received is a sure way to kill a small project in my experience).

Everyone here knows I listen to feedback intensively and continuously make changes to make the game better, that's all I want.

Hope you enjoy the next version and understand why it's taking a bit longer to come out.

Well if you wanna get really spicy any game with visuals has some ~*really*~ loose copyright distinctions。So If someone wanted to they could rip out all the assets of this train it blend it and lightly change it and it would be ~*cool*~ These AI games are open season surprised no-one has done that yet and released it on patreon
Thanks for the laugh, but your grasp on copyright law is as good as my attempts to do monthly releases.

Now, back to actual game development :coffee:
 
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Pr0GamerJohnny

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Well if you wanna get really spicy any game with visuals has some ~*really*~ loose copyright distinctions。So If someone wanted to they could rip out all the assets of this train it blend it and lightly change it and it would be ~*cool*~ These AI games are open season surprised no-one has done that yet and released it on patreon
You're not wrong, ai generated works dont enjoy the same innate copywrite as human-generated works. That doesn't mean one could copy the full product, as obviously the curation and assembly of images is considered a creative work from a human - but the images themselves wouldn't have the same innate protection. I think it speaks to some level of *honor* within the community that we haven't seen that yet...
 

SideshowBobNo.2

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I understand why your comment might have come across as tone deaf to others. I'd love to hear specific feedback about the game itself because it's finally getting closer (check the Patreon post!) and you made some pretty strong statements that can be quite controversial (releasing a super rushed version that is not well received is a sure way to kill a small project in my experience).

Everyone here knows I listen to feedback intensively and continuously make changes to make the game better, that's all I want.

Hope you enjoy the next version and understand why it's taking a bit longer to come out.
Thank you for taking your time to reply.
I was not criticizing the game itself, I like it very much, it's one of the best teasing games in my opinion.
I was just wondering about the long time to update it, it takes longer every time.
Then I read that patreon starts to cancel their support for AI generated games.
So I was guessing that the game gets abandoned in the near future.
Sadly some people got me wrong and got annoyed about my comment.
I want to apologize, because it was not my intention to annoy someone.

(releasing a super rushed version that is not well received is a sure way to kill a small project in my experience).
It makes sense.

Torimiata I wish you all the best with your game, stay true to your vision and have a nice day.
 
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quandin

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The DEV still makes proclamations in full political style, but there is still no real news about the release or period, he complains about various rumors or supposed developments on the game, but I would like to remember, that he wrote in remote time, that Ayumi will be more open and available with more men, that Terraza will be almost like her second boyfriend, in consideration of the friendship with MC, which brings the level of play to a full shared cuckold, other than love of the couple or explorations, when we talk about sharing or sexual exploration, we do not make a fixed relationship with the best friend of the boy, then a sore point, if this was a pure NTRS game, why have to create a loser MC from the beginning with the size of his cock, this is more of a NTR game thing, where the big cock has an easy life, too many inconsistencies, we talk about the next update, but the errors present are still not corrected. Words
how does one manage to call this ntr like holy shit, what does the author still need to do to not make it ntr in you guys eyes.
 

Emptyplanet

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Explain to me what need then he had to make a dick three times bigger than MC, tell me what meaning it has that Ayumi first commits the actions, then asks if it was okay, if this is the way of Ayumi's decisions, then, forgive, she can fuck the whole country, and then ask Mc if it was okay, it is not indicated as an NTR that the girl eventually runs away, but even with all this he does not let go of sex, and submission, because another point, Mc is submissive to everyone, Ari, Ayumi, Terraza, and he is just a wanker. we still want to disguise it with NTRS, hahahhahha
You're acting quite submissive and breedable rn
 

quandin

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Explain to me what need then he had to make a dick three times bigger than MC, tell me what meaning it has that Ayumi first commits the actions, then asks if it was okay, if this is the way of Ayumi's decisions, then, forgive, she can fuck the whole country, and then ask Mc if it was okay, it is not indicated as an NTR that the girl eventually runs away, but even with all this he does not let go of sex, and submission, because another point, Mc is submissive to everyone, Ari, Ayumi, Terraza, and he is just a wanker. we still want to disguise it with NTRS, hahahhahha
but they discussed his fetish? he's OK with it, she tries to make him happy by doing what she thinks he'll enjoy, they literally had multiple conversations over this, just cause she tries to make him happy doesn't mean it becomes ntr :FacePalm:
 

Gattsu#Struggler

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but they discussed his fetish? he's OK with it, she tries to make him happy by doing what she thinks he'll enjoy, they literally had multiple conversations over this, just cause she tries to make him happy doesn't mean it becomes ntr :FacePalm:
Don't bother, buddy. You're trying to explain the whole thing to a slice of ciabatta from sicilia that even butter runs away from.
 
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Faptimebitch

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Explain to me what need then he had to make a dick three times bigger than MC, tell me what meaning it has that Ayumi first commits the actions, then asks if it was okay, if this is the way of Ayumi's decisions, then, forgive, she can fuck the whole country, and then ask Mc if it was okay, it is not indicated as an NTR that the girl eventually runs away, but even with all this he does not let go of sex, and submission, because another point, Mc is submissive to everyone, Ari, Ayumi, Terraza, and he is just a wanker. we still want to disguise it with NTRS, hahahhahha
Me when I can't read
 

Griev

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Explain to me what need then he had to make a dick three times bigger than MC, tell me what meaning it has that Ayumi first commits the actions, then asks if it was okay, if this is the way of Ayumi's decisions, then, forgive, she can fuck the whole country, and then ask Mc if it was okay, it is not indicated as an NTR that the girl eventually runs away, but even with all this he does not let go of sex, and submission, because another point, Mc is submissive to everyone, Ari, Ayumi, Terraza, and he is just a wanker. we still want to disguise it with NTRS, hahahhahha
From all your comments, before they are deleted anyway, you seem to really focus on Terraza's size. You may actually be more of a size queen than what you make Ayumi out to be. It seems to the deciding factor of what makes the game NTR in your replies. Like somethings gets triggered by the idea of your girl having sex with a cock larger than yours, and it's all you can focus on. You've made it really obvious, but you try to hide it by insulting the game to disguise your Big Cock fetish.
 

xxshining01

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Explain to me what need then he had to make a dick three times bigger than MC, tell me what meaning it has that Ayumi first commits the actions, then asks if it was okay, if this is the way of Ayumi's decisions, then, forgive, she can fuck the whole country, and then ask Mc if it was okay, it is not indicated as an NTR that the girl eventually runs away, but even with all this he does not let go of sex, and submission, because another point, Mc is submissive to everyone, Ari, Ayumi, Terraza, and he is just a wanker. we still want to disguise it with NTRS, hahahhahha
That non-sense, Don't try too hard to understand other people's fetish. You just gotta accept that everyone's different.
Honestly, it doesn't really matter if 'that thing' is big or small, It's just one of those things that gets people with that kind of fetish going. Some things work just fine when they're small too. for example "Indecent Wife Hana" from "Fallen Eros" with the shota boy.
What really matters is that the hero and heroine feel better, and the whole are happy. Isn't that what's important?
 
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