Ren'Py Brothel King [v0.3t.2] [Goldo]

[vadi9203]

Maybe we'll also get what's ready of the community dialogue pack and, if we're extremely lucky, vadi's work on porting sounds over from Bonanza).

Well i do work on them but even you didnt give me any answer on the forum (you are like Brutus ) and you were the one who requested it. But for now im postponing it until we dont get a more stable relase. I dont want to redoing them over and over again.

 

[hewhocumsbynight]

So, it looks to me like the image invokers aren't fully working yet. I've got BKfunctions and BKInteractions popped open, since all training attempts fail to load any images beyond the profile image. Looks like there's an unassigned variable "all_sex_tags" that wasn't defined, which means the strings extracted from the file name aren't being used for picture assignment.

I'm not very good at coding, though, so I might be wrong about that.

 

[Jman9]

Well i do work on them but even you didnt give me any answer on the forum (you are like Brutus)...

... Good job! Well done! I'll name an offspring after you! Really! ......

Well, I was hoping Goldo would comment on it first, since it's him who's going to do the final integrating.

But for now im postponing it until we dont get a more stable relase. I dont want to redoing them over and over again.

I also thought you were mostly done, and Goldo wasn't going to write any more events, at least for now.

...sloppy coding where lbl is being treated as both a string and a logical and being initialized to None.

Python is dynamically typed and the empty string and None are logically equivalent to False, so this is okay.

I think you probably got the error just after the first one. Ignoring an error can lead to weird results because it breaks the control flow.

I also took the liberty of changing all of the renpy.block_rollback() calls to pass statements on the attached because I consider that a dick move.

It's not. Rollback is meant for VNs and doesn't work well with such a complex game. Goldo's had no end of trouble with it, getting certain data structures messed up due to rollbacks, etc.

It's also cheating in some places, like rolling back to just before a challenge.

 

[SenPC]

0.2 is not compatible with previous versions, you guys have to get the new game files; after that you will only need to get future patches when released (for bugfixes).

Old girl packs are compatible but not much recommended, since there are many new tags in game and recently released packs are way more interesting. Girl packs are constantly released by many pack makers, check the mods and packs thread to follow any news for them.

The changelog for 0.2 will come asap.

 

[Musicfruit]

As _neronero and Leortha said, it's not really final yet. It's like... a release candidate. Some people broke it immediately by going for the long start. But let's hope it's mostly bugfixes now. Maybe we'll also get what's ready of the community dialogue pack and, if we're extremely lucky, vadi's work on porting sounds over from Bonanza).


Well, it's not fully alive, either, since Goldo's schedule has been vivisected for a while. Undead, maybe?


Joiplay.


Goldo doesn't believe in changelogs and version numbers. Okay, there's a very high-level one that _neronero copied over.


Changes to advertising, reputation, group/bis work and customer budgets (the 'spent all money' messages). Somewhat player-controlled matchmaking. Classes providing extra stats. More control events for the farm. Probably not all.



The one thing that hasn't stopped coming are girl packs. We're practically drowning in them now.

And don't diss old packs. There's only a handful of new tags and many popular older characters who haven't had a makeover, but do have a solid pack from the yesteryear.


Only masochist girls don't like any compliments at all, and taking one on is a special endeavour anyway.

But jokes cap out at 50 love, while compliments go up to 75. On the other hand, a terrific joke looks to have 50% faster progress than a flattering compliment? Women.


Blood or Hallow Moon? Do quests and just train her if she's your only girl, Sill takes care of the upkeep.

If not, get a STR weapon for yourself and a weapon for her. Maybe start as a Warrior while you learn the ropes. Buy a cheaper girl as your first one. Close the brothel and hunt for purses in the city until you can afford security. If all else fails, savescum.

And don't even take a peek towards Bonanza, or you'll go crazy and tear out all your hair(s).


Not crazies, thugs. Thugs are a very random and unpredictable clientele, but they're your best customers at the beginning of the game. Later on, you can just ban them.


Well, if you're in chapter two, you can cheat in resources and sell them. Otherwise, real men modders use the console.


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You sure you didn't mix and match 0.15b and 0.2, or didn't forget to apply the new update? This was a bug eons ago.

It is 0.2. I've got achievements, but I had to check twice.

 

[vadi9203]

I also thought you were mostly done, and Goldo wasn't going to write any more events, at least for now.

I have a rough sketch but i want to relase the final one when there is no more event for chapter2 and most of the typos are fixed by Doug. I will rewrite them in it. But for others i dont know how much event will be added. (Mostly dialoge for the girls)

 

[bobjones9792]

Is there any plans for a girl hunter like in Bonanza? I didn't much care for many of the changes Bonanza made but I thought that, at least, was awesome.

 

[__neronero]

Is there any plans for a girl hunter like in Bonanza? I didn't much care for many of the changes Bonanza made but I thought that, at least, was awesome.

Yes there are concrete plans, but not in the near future (unless someone creates a mod)

The thing is that vanilla BK's headhunter-like solution is tied to the story for Chapter 4, so it won't be around for some time... Maybe I should consider taking it out of the story and making it available sooner since it seems to be in popular demand.

 

[Jman9]

I didn't much care for many of the changes Bonanza...
Is there any plans for a girl hunter like in Bonanza?

While I'm sad to hear it, Goldo indeed had plans for a similar character before I made her. Secret plans, that is.

At one point, he said a headhunter was planned for chapter 4, so... wait for 0.4? Then, some time later, he was entertaining the idea of implementing the character faster, because, as you say, she's awesome. That was a while ago, and I don't know what Goldo's current plans are.

Friggin' ninjas!

In any case, it's probably not too hard to extract her from Bonanza. I've bugfixed and improved her a little for 0.4.1.2beta, although the latest upgrade made her somewhat cheaty.

It is 0.2. I've got achievements...

Is it 0.2, patched? Because something like that was in an early release of 0.2.

 

[Diablosian]

I would love to see some apex legends packs if any pack makers are reading.

 

[Musicfruit]

While I'm sad to hear it, Goldo indeed had plans for a similar character before I made her. Secret plans, that is.

At one point, he said a headhunter was planned for chapter 4, so... wait for 0.4? Then, some time later, he was entertaining the idea of implementing the character faster, because, as you say, she's awesome. That was a while ago, and I don't know what Goldo's current plans are.

Friggin' ninjas!

In any case, it's probably not too hard to extract her from Bonanza. I've bugfixed and improved her a little for 0.4.1.2beta, although the latest upgrade made her somewhat cheaty.


Is it 0.2, patched? Because something like that was in an early release of 0.2.

Thank you very much. I indeed missed the patch, my bad.

 

[Leortha]

Goldo has patched the main bug that people were encountering, and stated that the remaining bugs were likely caused by skipping/ignoring the first error.

The new patch can be found at the post below, linked in Goldo's signature. His sig always points to the most recent 0.2 patch.

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This is then effectively another "release candidate" for 0.2. Whether it'll actually end up being the 0.2 release will likely be decided in the coming days as people pound on it and see if there are any more critical bugs to be fixed.

 

[Darthjake]

You sure you didn't mix and match 0.15b and 0.2, or didn't forget to apply the new update? This was a bug eons ago.

I completely deleted the prior version and installed the game and patch, I'm getting this as well.

 

[Jman9]

Darthjake: Are you sure? Musicfruit did have an unpatched game and just I tried and couldn't reproduce it.

If you can get it to trigger somewhat reliably (reload the nightly autosave and see if it happens again), post the save. Because if there's a problem in the code, it's not obvious to neither me nor Goldo, and we need more info to resolve this.

 

[Darthjake]

Darthjake: Are you sure? Musicfruit did have an unpatched game and just I tried and couldn't reproduce it.

If you can get it to trigger somewhat reliably (reload the nightly autosave and see if it happens again), post the save. Because if there's a problem in the code, it's not obvious to neither me nor Goldo, and we need more info to resolve this.

I just deleted the whole folder this time, (just deleted brothel king folder that had all the files before), was going to re-install into a new folder with a different name so unless there are files somewhere else that should get it, and then I'll post here if I run into the same issue again, but I played it for like 2 weeks game time and never got any gold.

 

[phupdup]

It's one thing to be dynamically typed, but another entirely to throw the whole idea of types out the window. None, Null, NaN should basically be landmines meant to trigger and point out where a programmer fucked up.

I'll agree with you that "" and 0 can be considered False and ANYTHING OTHER than None might be considered True, but that None should be a landmine. It's also generally a very stupid idea to let strings and numbers convert back and forth willy nilly because the code usually doesn't age well and tends to introduce subtle bugs that bite you in the ass and keep biting while you spend a lot of time trying to remember what you did. BTW using 0 and "" interchangeably has caused problems between Python runtime library versions over the years as the devs changed their minds about how to interpret them. Don't even get me started on what Python processing horrors happen on lists consisting of a single string versus a set consisting of a single string. I had the rub the Seeds of Chaos team noses in that one not too long ago. I think they sent some newbies in to implement/change events without telling them the difference between using '[]' and '()'.

Sending a novice after you to maintain your code is also usually a task that's fraught with peril. Sending a group of programmers out after you on this stuff without clear guidelines, and you end up with a mess right up there with Boeing and its Starliner.

As for rollbacks, that's a sign your code has issues. I even saw a comment in one source offering it up as a prayer to prevent double costing something or other. That wouldn't play well with one of the top Twitch partners who recently played the latest Pathfinder release in Hard mode and easily spent a segment or two just trying to save scumm his way past a single battle or encounter. If he had the ability to mouse wheel rollback, his mouse wheel would probably be worn out. SoC is also a massively complex Renpy game, yet I'm able to rollback scum the hell out of it in order to trigger things like map encounters or otherwise scumm the RNG.

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Python is dynamically typed and the empty string and None are logically equivalent to False, so this is okay.

I think you probably got the error just after the first one. Ignoring an error can lead to weird results because it breaks the control flow.


It's not. Rollback is meant for VNs and doesn't work well with such a complex game. Goldo's had no end of trouble with it, getting certain data structures messed up due to rollbacks, etc.

It's also cheating in some places, like rolling back to just before a challenge.

 

[Darthjake]

Jman9

Okay, fresh install, and I am getting gold now each evening, but what is strange is I had access to my saves from the first game.

I did a new game, obviously, and saved over them, but I'm guessing there might be some files somewhere else besides where I installed the game.

 

[Leortha]

Exactly. Ren'py saves games in two places, and each backs up the other. So if for some reason you want to delete the saves, you have to get the ones in the local game directory, and the other out in Windows user data storage.

 

[Jman9]

None, Null, NaN should basically be landmines meant to trigger and point out where a programmer fucked up.

Why? It's entirely legitimate to possibly not have something (not because initialisation failed, etc, but because logic dictates there's nothing there, like there being no girl to display for interaction because you deselected her, or sent them all to the farm, or whatever) and to check to see if it's there or not. Python's None is also not quite (just) the same thing as a null value.

I'll agree with you that "" and 0 can be considered False and ANYTHING OTHER than None might be considered True...

Empty lists/tuples/sets are also 'False' and are frequently used as such.

It's also generally a very stupid idea to let strings and numbers convert back and forth willy nilly ... BTW using 0 and "" interchangeably...

I don't disagree with that (at least in general). I don't recall BK doing either, though.

...string versus a set ... between using '[]' and '()'.

But '()' is a Tuple? '{}' is the empty set. You're right in that using tuples and lists somewhat interchangeably has bit Goldo in the ass before.

As for rollbacks, that's a sign your code has issues.

Yeah, like using dictionaries. Ren'Py rollback isn't as robust as you seem to think it is.

That wouldn't play well with one of the top Twitch partners who recently played the latest Pathfinder release in Hard mode and easily spent a segment or two just trying to save scumm his way past a single battle or encounter.

How is this even relevant? If the battle is anything like it is in one of these tactical RPGs, you'd be rolling back hundreds if not thousands of steps per battle. Mouse rollback would make you die from carpal tunnel long before you've reloaded even a dozen battles.

Or if you're rolling back every failed check you don't like, it'd be cheating on such a scale that you'd be far more sane to just cheat in Swords of Evisceration +100 for everyone and call it a day.

SoC is also a massively complex Renpy game, yet I'm able to rollback scum the hell out of it in order to trigger things like map encounters or otherwise scumm the RNG.

Last I looked, Seeds of Chaos was mostly a series of classic VN events with some mild RPG stuff bolted on top. Nowhere near as intricate as a management game of any kind. BK's closest Ren'Py comparison is probably the (now dead) Pytfall.

It's entirely conceivable SoC doesn't have complex enough data structures to be mangled by rollback. Or maybe they do and have it solved. Or maybe they're not even aware that these problems exist. IDK. Your post indicates nothing of the sort.

Sending a novice ... Sending a group of programmers out...

While dynamic typing can have its pitfalls, this seems to be another 'programmer religion' argument waged purely for amusement. I doubt you're going to offer yourself as code cleaner and maintainer for BK. I guess such arguments can be fun, and a bigger project does need common guidelines, but insisting on your style handbook being gospel for someone else's project...

Neither me nor Goldo are programmers, we do these things for our amusement and maybe a little personal education, and and we don't expect anyone else to come after us. BK is a one-man passion project, and likely to remain one until it or its creator die. There are certainly things we could both learn and do better, but I don't think this is one of them. Feel free to make a thread on HHS and prove us wrong. Because I think this thread is cluttered enough as it is, and Goldo will never read it anyway.

 

[Hryme]

This game is throwing up a lot of errors. It needs a better release model with a group of girls added that works with just one download. There is too much wonkiness with all the different girl packs and seems that the game has a lot of code to evaluate what you have in your girls directory. This code seems to break a lot.

It is a shame cause I remember playing the first iteration of this game ages ago and that worked a lot better. Things need to be tightened up.