With all the censorship going on, I'm wondering about the feasibility of skirting patreon's bs by uploading your game here and having an "unrelated" patreon page where people pay for stick figure art or something. I assume this is against their terms somewhere. Have they banned people for doing this before? Are people snitching?
Can you "Trojan Horse" Patreon?
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Yes, it is against their terms.
Yes, people have attempted something similar.
Yes, people were banned.
Yes, people snitch.
And yes, there are still people getting away with doing something similar... until someone snitches or a random check on the account happens.
Also Patreon's "bs" is their right as a business to conduct their business as they wish. It's always funny how people want to be able to run their own business (such as a create a game and put into it whatever they want --- and leave out what they don't want), but don't think other people should be able to run their business the way they want.
Nice logic. I guess cobalt mines are fine using child slave labor, since people should be able to run a business how they want and should be immune to criticism for their choices, right?
Patreon's bs has nothing to do with how they "want" to run a business and everything to do with constantly pissing themselves in fear of being cut off by payment processors.
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You're failing at logic - to attempt to insult my logic is ridiculous.
Cobalt mines using child labor is taking advantage of people who cannot give their consent (ethically and legally)... As for slave labor, that is also a known human rights violation.
You're comparing apples to oranges. You're comparing illegal/inhuman conditions to legal choices.
Don't play hypotheticals if you don't know how.
As long as a business is conducting itself within the confines of the law - it is allowed to do as it likes in order to maintain the busines they want to maintain.
This isn't rocket science:
You can do business the way you want to do business, as long as it is within the confines of the law. Nothing is stopping you.
If you want to do business with someone else, such as use their physical buildings or their selling platform - you must follow their contractual terms to do business with them. If you do not want to do business with them, you do not have to.
If that business wants to do business with someone else, such as use someone else's payment processing platform - it must follow those contractual terms. If it does not want to do business with them, it does not have to.
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First, use search. This question has been asked a number of times before.
As for patreon bs, it's not patreon. If you are going to plan a project then you should at least know who could be responsible for having your work removed / banned.
As for uploading, you don't upload games here, you upload games to a hosting site and link them in forums. Before you start your project you really should brush up on these things because right now from your post it seems you're off to a rocky start.
It is against patreon's rules to create an account and have it connected in ANY way to banned content and yes patreon does look at your activity outside of patreon.
Also it's NOT snitching, you aren't in a tv show. It's called reporting and it's there for very good reasons. Yours and others attempt to try break the rules could lead to serious consequences for other people using patreon.
Lastly, your use of trojan horse is inaccurate. For it to be a trojan horse you wouldn't use an unrelated page, you would hide your game in side the same page and yes that would be breaking the rules too.
I have no intention of starting a project. I've just been watching projects on this site have their pages banned, including popular ones, even on subscribestar. Just look at the games in your signature. Grandma's House is very clearly skirting the incest rules through technicalities, and could be banned off patreon at random whenever they notice. You gonna report them so the other patreon users can avoid those serious consequences? You made it sound like such a good thing.
Do I need to remind you that slavery was legal for most of human history? Legality has no bearing on right and wrong, and indeed there are many places today that employ slavery-like conditions completely within the law. Criticizing business practices is a perfectly valid method for enacting change. How do you think laws come about in the first place? The idea that businesses should act however they like and your only option is to choose not to do business with them is especially stupid in situations of effective monopoly, such as the current payment processing system. Even more so given that their actions are often driven by opposing voices.
It's not as if the inhuman slabs at mastercard have a sense of morality to begin with. They just freaked out and slammed the censorship button when that group of australian karens launched a hissy fit.
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Keep babbling.
You are comparing human rights abuses to that of someone saying you can't have underage characters in your sex game if you want it sold on their site.
You are comparing being used as a slave to that of a company saying you can't have use rape in a sexually charged way in your game if you want it sold on your site.
You are using the human atrocity of slavery .... CHILD slavery at that.... to a company telling someone if they want to do business on their company's platform, they cannot have games that contain content where a son fucks his mother.
Put your penis back in your pants, your desire to blow your load is at no point near the importance of the comparison you are attempting to make.
You're being ridiculous. Beyond ridiculous.
This is an apt comparison:
If you went into a consignment shop and said "Hey, I want to sell my dad's old porno mags" and they say "We sell allow sellers to offer a lot of stuff here, but not porno mags" and you get angry with them... you're the dick, not them. It's their company, not yours. As such they decide what they want to do business in. Not you. If you want to do business with them, you have to follow their rules. Straight-forward concept. Even if they said "Sure, you can sell them, but only Playboys and Penthouses - not Hustler, Cheri, Chic, High Society, etc --- only Playboys and Penthouses" --- same concepts apply.
You could still sell your dad's old porno mags, but you just couldn't do it with them. You'd need to find another way --- even if it is less convenient and less profitable and have more hoops to jump through.
In the end - you get to decide what you want to sell... that's your business (as long as it is legal). Who you sell it through, that is their business (as long as it is legal). Not yours.
Suck it up buttercup. Using slavery as a comparison trivialized slavery and shows the lack of connective synapses of mental activity in how you synthesize morality, ethics, and simply business economics.
I'm not even going to continue with this lack of a train of thought you are attempting to spit out.
Have a lovely rest of your day.
More like an idiotic comparison. Patreon already did porn. An actually apt comparison would be that they were happily selling your uncles porno mags for years and then some local winemoms threw a fit and they had to take them down with tears in their eyes.
If you think that this wave of censorship is going to end with only the things you find distasteful, you're dead wrong. I'm surprised your parents weren't charged with neglect for letting you leave the house without a helmet.
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Oh good one
Moonbox makes the changes patreon requires in order to have his game there. He is NOT skirting the rules, he is complying with the rules.
Other dev's who have had their games banned on patreon were also given the chance to change / modify them to comply with the rules and if they had patreon would have allowed their games back.
If you're going to spout nonsense at least make a vague attempt to pretend you know what you are talking about.
Again, if you're going to spout nonsense at least make a vague attempt to pretend you know what you are talking about. Mastercard and visa have been at this for over a decade and they are NOT the only ones, governments, companies, states and communities have all taken steps over the decades.
Patreon never "DID" porn, patreon wasn't even started with the intent to host adult content. Get your facts straight.
The crackdown on patreon YEARS AGO, did NOT target porn, it targeted certain fetishes / kinks e.g. incest, rape, shota, loli etc.
Uncles penthouse, playboys, hustler were NEVER in ANY danger and the last time politicians, moms etc. went after those, the courts told them to take a hike.
I understand you can't think for yourself but holy hand grenades and white rabbits, this information is on the internet free of charge. You could have looked it up at anytime.....
Well given your tenuous grasp of the basic information and facts, if that's your conclusion I think we're all safe...
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Well, if activities generating 1% of your revenue threatens the existence of the other 99%, what would you do?
One day, people will realize being an arrogant, self important douche canoe is the least effective way of convincing someone of your argument.
Today is not that day.
Today is not that day.
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No one convinces anyone of anything. They have to come to the common sense conclusion, themselves --Either through self reflection or a 16 ton weight of reality slamming down upon them. One could have the patience of a saint and they aren't going to convince idiots and obstinate fools anything.One day, people will realize being an arrogant, self important douche canoe is the least effective way of convincing someone of your argument.
Today is not that day.
The idiot isn't the audience for sharing the facts and data. But it is important to push back against the idiocy because silence wrongly implies consent for many people. One day, people will realize this.
Today is not that day.
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Or a super self important douche canoe will arise & and unite their arguments by out douche canoeing themOne day, people will realize being an arrogant, self important douche canoe is the least effective way of convincing someone of your argument.
Today is not that day.
I thought everyone figured out years ago that people on the internet are here for the "arguing" part and not the "convincing" part.One day, people will realize being an arrogant, self important douche canoe is the least effective way of convincing someone of your argument.
Today is not that day.