Companies and the censorship law, what can we do to help?

[Facilus]

I wanted to bring here this discussion that I had with an friend, It's undeniable that companies that work with the sale of adult content in japan lose millions of dollars every year because of the censorship law, would it not be in these companies' interest that this law be abolished? What can we as costumers can do to make it clear that this law needs to be repealed? Maybe talk with the DLSite guys that are a big company that have market in Japan and in the rest of the world, mainly in the USA to start make lobby with the japanese politicians? I was thinking to start a moviment to open the companies eyes to this problem, it's a win win situation, with this law abolished, the companies will sell more adult content and we as costumers will have the content to be enjoyed properly. I want to know your opinion about this.

 

[DorianGreyEminence]

That meme sums up my feelings about this. OFTEN. Nothing kills my boner faster than mosaics.

I've asked about this before, myself. It really comes down to politicians. I don't think adult games make anywhere near enough money or employ enough people for any politician to wanna die on that hill. And if nobody is even willing to bring up a bill to vote on, we are never gonna see a change.

 

[Untolddead]

Vote for free speech people over anything else. Also become a politician yourself and die on that hill. If it's in a country you're not in you can donate to free speech politicians.

 

[DorianGreyEminence]

I agree with you. 100%. Unfortunately I don't think most politicians think that way. Its all about what gets them passed the next election. And too few people who think like us care to be politicians. And too many SAY they do, but actually don't. I know I wouldn't want to be a politician.

Sometimes I think it would be fun if everyone just voted for some random person who never ran for anything in their lives. Then on election night some dude sitting at a bar finds out he got 4 total votes and is now president or prime minister or whatever it is where he lives. I know its not practical; it just makes me chuckle to think about.

 

[Jofur]

Corporate lobbying is one of the most disgusting and corrupting influences in modern democracies. Even if you think is for a good cause it's still a dangerous precedence.

Also, one of the reason the law still exists in Japan (and a lot of other places) despite them having such a massive and generally accepted porn industry is probably because no serious and influential politician wants to be known as "the horny guy who wants uncensored porn".

 

[moskis22]

Well, maybe i'm the weird one, but prefer censorship on hentai, sometimes it avoids weird drawings

 

[Avaron1974]

Doesn't matter how big the companies like DLsite are, they have no power in Japan. The law has been in place as long as it has because no one with any actual influence wants to tackle it.

No movement you start is going to change a damn thing.

The one and only way you will get that law removed is to find a Japanese politician willing to fight it and you have more chance of finding rocking horse shit.

 

[Hagatagar]

Great idea, because the citizens of any country love it when other countries try to interfere/manipulate their politics and elections.

 

[chainedpanda]

I really think it is unwise to seek out censorship in Japan. Japanese porn is filled with content the rest of the world finds unacceptable. While western porn is slowly building up to match, it isn't normalized here as it is in Japan. As such, the last thing anyone should want is their government getting involved in such an industry. Losing a few million dollars is likely preferable to being fined tens of millions or being shut down outright and facing potential prison time.

While the adult game industry is too small, I'm sure the hentai and jav industry hold far more power and would also like it changed. Hell, I'm sure part of their internet and film industry would also like more lax regulations. If they banded together, I'm sure they could change something, yet they don't bother.

Plus, there is a large difference between Tokyo and the rest of Japan. Hell, there is a big difference between different districts of Tokyo. Many places outside of Tokyo have been fighting for decades to delegalize certain genres such as loli and rape to no avail. If the government got involved, they would look into such things as a result. Potentially causing some developers and porn industries to lose far more money than they would have with the censorship in place.

In addition, many places in Japan are still old fashioned, not wanting the rest of the world involved. Many politicians would fight such as an idea. If nothing else they would be concerned how the rest of the world would turn and watch their movement. Something they wouldn't want to happen if they can help it.

That isn't to mention the fact that most Japanese citizens are simply used to it. To them, why change something that isn't broken to make rich people richer?

 

[Adabelitoo]

I don't think they lose that much money for the censorship law. Everything censored in Japan (doujins, hentais and eroges) are mostly done to be sold in Japan (Japan's main market is Japan, I know, it sounds crazy) and I have seem some random videos on Youtube where someone asks people what they think about it and most people answered that they were fine and/or used to that so it wasn't a turn off, in fact I saw some people saying that they prefer it that way because "it leaves more for the imagination".

Japan doesn't think about what the rest of the world wants. For those things to be uncensored they have to be (legally) sold outside Japan, and for that a company has to buy the license. That's an extra money that they wouldn't get without the censorship.

 

[lawfullame]

Great idea, because the citizens of any country love it when other countries try to interfere/manipulate their politics and elections.

A conspiracy of Western consumers of Japanese porn to influence Japanese politics in order to decensor Japanese porn would be something quite new and unique in the world of political intrigue and foreign influence in elections.

 

[desmosome]

Be thankful that they exist at all to grace to world with their depraved and hilarious porn. High level fappers don't even notice mosaics.

 

[Facilus]

I don't think they lose that much money for the censorship law. Everything censored in Japan (doujins, hentais and eroges) are mostly done to be sold in Japan (Japan's main market is Japan, I know, it sounds crazy) and I have seem some random videos on Youtube where someone asks people what they think about it and most people answered that they were fine and/or used to that so it wasn't a turn off, in fact I saw some people saying that they prefer it that way because "it leaves more for the imagination".

Japan doesn't think about what the rest of the world wants. For those things to be uncensored they have to be (legally) sold outside Japan, and for that a company has to buy the license. That's an extra money that they wouldn't get without the censorship.

I have a friend from the same country as I am that lives in Japan, he said to me that when he shows uncensored porn for his japanese friends they ask him to put the video away because they're disgusted for the genital parts, can you imagine how fucked up is that? I can't even measure how fucked is the psychological of this person, the censorship is psychologically castrating the people there.

The EISYS, Inc.(the company that owns DLsite) annually sell volume is of ¥25 billions, in dollar it's almost 230 millions, I dunno what are the percentage of this ammount comes from their adult content sells but I suppose is more than 70%, with the censorship law out of the way they can easily double this money that's for sure.

 

[Facilus]

Be thankful that they exist at all to grace to world with their depraved and hilarious porn. High level fappers don't even notice mosaics.

Welp, they surely should start notice.

 

[F4C430]

I have a friend from the same country as I am that lives in Japan, he said to me that when he shows uncensored porn for his japanese friends they ask him to put the video away because they're disgusted for the genital parts, can you imagine how fucked up is that? I can't even measure how fucked is the psychological of this person, the censorship is psychologically castrating the people there.

There's a lot of ugly genitalia out there and we can't be sure that your friend didn't actually show ugly genitalia. Also, i tend to prefer JAV over Western porn, and i've found that i usually prefer the censorship because it hides ugly genitalia. My imagination can easily make up for it so it's not a problem.

Edit: When it comes to fantasy media such as games/manga/anime, i agree that uncensored is better because hopefully no one is drawing ugly genitalia. But as it was mentioned by Hagatagar, we should leave Japanese politics to the Japanese.

 

[anne O'nymous]

I have a friend from the same country as I am that lives in Japan, he said to me that when he shows uncensored porn for his japanese friends they ask him to put the video away because they're disgusted for the genital parts, can you imagine how fucked up is that?

Is it really the reason they give, or is it your friend interpretation ?

I mean, the Japanse censorship rely on

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(pdf in English):
"A person who distribute, sells or display in public an obscene document, drawing or other objects shall be punished by emprisonment with work for not more than 2 years, a fine of not more than 2.500.000 yen or a pretty fine. The same shall apply to a person who possesses the same for the purpose of sale."

So yeah, the display is private, but it's believable that they don't really care to this detail. In their mind, it's illegal to distribute, sells or display, dot. What make them react isn't the fact to see genitalia, but that your friend is doing something that is near to be illegal ; looking at an uncensored porn on his phone on the street, train or whatever public place would be legally a display in public, since anyone who could see the phone would also see its content.
As for the "disgusted for the genital parts", it's also opened to interpretation. They can just react out of decency, not wanting to see the genitalia of a girl who isn't their girl, and who haven't explicitly gave them the right to see it.

I can't even measure how fucked is the psychological of this person, the censorship is psychologically castrating the people there.

I can't even measure how fucked is your psychological to measure the reaction of someone who have a so radically different culture than yours, to your sole point of view. As if wanting to enforce a change in the Law of another country for the sole purpose to have uncensored porn wasn't already some fucked up move.

Despite its censoring, that can perfectly be due to decency more than to morality, Japan is one of the countries with the more lax attitude regarding sex. The sexual majority is at 13yo (if I remember correctly), it have one of the, if not the, biggest porn market by number of capita, and there's the famous love hotels. Loli porn is legal as long as it don't involve real person (or that they are sexually major), and while prostitution is said illegal, the Law limit it to vaginal penetration and do not really include sanction (except for those who profit from it) ; globally, this law can be summarized by "you can't pay to vaginally penetrate someone, or be payed to be vaginally penetrated, but if you do, we will just tell you that you can't".
But well, accordingly to one guy on Internet, that base his knowledge on what one of his friend told him, it's a country that is castrating his citizens...

 

[Facilus]

Is it really the reason they give, or is it your friend interpretation ?

I mean, the Japanse censorship rely on

You must be registered to see the links

(pdf in English):
"A person who distribute, sells or display in public an obscene document, drawing or other objects shall be punished by emprisonment with work for not more than 2 years, a fine of not more than 2.500.000 yen or a pretty fine. The same shall apply to a person who possesses the same for the purpose of sale."

So yeah, the display is private, but it's believable that they don't really care to this detail. In their mind, it's illegal to distribute, sells or display, dot. What make them react isn't the fact to see genitalia, but that your friend is doing something that is near to be illegal ; looking at an uncensored porn on his phone on the street, train or whatever public place would be legally a display in public, since anyone who could see the phone would also see its content.
As for the "disgusted for the genital parts", it's also opened to interpretation. They can just react out of decency, not wanting to see the genitalia of a girl who isn't their girl, and who haven't explicitly gave them the right to see it.




I can't even measure how fucked is your psychological to measure the reaction of someone who have a so radically different culture than yours, to your sole point of view. As if wanting to enforce a change in the Law of another country for the sole purpose to have uncensored porn wasn't already some fucked up move.

Despite its censoring, that can perfectly be due to decency more than to morality, Japan is one of the countries with the more lax attitude regarding sex. The sexual majority is at 13yo (if I remember correctly), it have one of the, if not the, biggest porn market by number of capita, and there's the famous love hotels. Loli porn is legal as long as it don't involve real person (or that they are sexually major), and while prostitution is said illegal, the Law limit it to vaginal penetration and do not really include sanction (except for those who profit from it) ; globally, this law can be summarized by "you can't pay to vaginally penetrate someone, or be payed to be vaginally penetrated, but if you do, we will just tell you that you can't".
But well, accordingly to one guy on Internet, that base his knowledge on what one of his friend told him, it's a country that is castrating his citizens...

Bruh...you're really using me to defend censorship? Are you fucking serious? Also, all that you mentioned it only reinforces that the censorship is castrating the minds of the japanese people, even with all this they birth rate is going to shit and if they don't do something they'll be gone in 5 decades.

 

[desmosome]

Bruh...you're really using me to defend censorship? Are you fucking serious? Also, all that you mentioned it only reinforces that the censorship is castrating the minds of the japanese people, even with all this they birth rate is going to shit and if they don't do something they'll be gone in 5 decades.

If you are worrying about the low birth rate, address the actual problems. Stressful work environment. Young people struggling to find steady well paying jobs. Changing mindset in young people about the importance of the family unit. In fact, this is a trend in pretty much all developed nations and isn't exclusive to Japan.

Your totally not selfish idea to remove mosaics is not a solution to declining birth rates lmfao.

 

[Facilus]

If you are worrying about the low birth rate, address the actual problems. Stressful work environment. Young people struggling to find steady well paying jobs. Changing mindset in young people about the importance of the family unit. In fact, this is a trend in pretty much all developed nations and isn't exclusive to Japan.

Your totally not selfish idea to remove mosaics is not a solution to declining birth rates lmfao.

Never said it was, it's the cause? Pretty probably, but not the solution, and isn't a selfish idea, it's a profitable idea, don't distort my words, dude, be honest. Also, you guys gathering here to criticise without an counteridea is almost like that you doesn't want this shit to over, jesus christ.

 

[Adabelitoo]

Never said it was, it's the cause? Pretty probably, but not the solution, and isn't a selfish idea, it's a profitable idea, don't distort my words, dude, be honest. Also, you guys gathering here to criticise without an counteridea is almost like that you doesn't want this shit to over, jesus christ.

I want censorship to be gone, and I agree with some things you said, but thinking that "censorship is castrating the minds of the japanese people" is like saying that videogames are at fault for all the school shooters.

And yes, you kinda implied that the low birth rate is due to that when you said "if they don't do something they'll be gone in 5 decades", as if they didn't have 20 bigger problems before "censorship in porn".

Also, I really don't think that they'd double the sells without the censorship. It definitely won't sell less but it definitely won't sell the double.