Let's see... My second biggest gripe in the game is that there's clearly a lack of agency between writers in the game. In coc1, your character clearly felt like a power fantasy that dictated the outcome of choices in the world around them. However in coc2, my character feels like a side character in the game that's used to push whatever narrative the writer has at the time, and those narratives often conflict based on who's the one writing.
The major example of this is one of coc2's worst writers in my opinion, Tobs (The Observer). His writing started off simple and genuine when he first began the kitsune content, his main contribution to the game, where you had kiyoko trapped in the astral plane and provided a simple and romantic story, but as progress continued into the kitsune den, people often questioned the morality choices and how sidelined their main character was with this "very culturally enriched and defined society that looks down on outsiders".
When the time came that he finally finished writing kiyoko's escape into the real world, his narrative of her did a near 180, and everyone who was once interested in her supportive wife behavior now found kiyoko basically spouting the same distant responses as all the other kitsune. she basically tells the main character to stay out of everybodies business, including your daughter kinu's marriage and their entire life at the home kiyoko makes, and we the character in Tobs's writing are forced to go along with it with no complaints.
Many people on the forums had complaints about this, and took to the forums to voice them, often with valid criticisms, but they only got immediately shot down by Tobs at best or outright banned by him, and you could tell his mood sour about it over the years through his writing and actions.
There were degenerates on the forums asking why they couldn't have a sexual relationship with their daughter kinu in adult form once she leaves the astral plane instead of forcing her off into an arranged marriage you have no say in. I personally am not a fan of incest, but it was a major part of coc1 so i could see how people could want it. At first Tobs told everybody to get bent, and that it wasn't his artistic vision for his work and nobody, not even patreon supporters had any say in it. But once that started to blow up, Savin did some quick damage control and swept everything under the rug under the guise of patreon guidelines forbidding that type of content (and ignoring the same criticisms for the mallach temple grooming). Tobs commissioned a bunch of porn of kinu getting railed by the arranged marriage guy nakano just to spite everyone, and still has it as his profile pic on the forums to this day.
He also wrote all of Gweyr quest, a story about some crazy lady that sees a bunch of children being indoctrinated into a cult, and she decides her best course of action over it all is to kill them all. in the writing, we the character are forced to believe that what she did was right, and agree with her to convince to town people so.
He's still one of the lead writers now, but all of his current work feels extremely verbose and condescending. I honestly find it hard to read.
The major example of this is one of coc2's worst writers in my opinion, Tobs (The Observer). His writing started off simple and genuine when he first began the kitsune content, his main contribution to the game, where you had kiyoko trapped in the astral plane and provided a simple and romantic story, but as progress continued into the kitsune den, people often questioned the morality choices and how sidelined their main character was with this "very culturally enriched and defined society that looks down on outsiders".
When the time came that he finally finished writing kiyoko's escape into the real world, his narrative of her did a near 180, and everyone who was once interested in her supportive wife behavior now found kiyoko basically spouting the same distant responses as all the other kitsune. she basically tells the main character to stay out of everybodies business, including your daughter kinu's marriage and their entire life at the home kiyoko makes, and we the character in Tobs's writing are forced to go along with it with no complaints.
Many people on the forums had complaints about this, and took to the forums to voice them, often with valid criticisms, but they only got immediately shot down by Tobs at best or outright banned by him, and you could tell his mood sour about it over the years through his writing and actions.
There were degenerates on the forums asking why they couldn't have a sexual relationship with their daughter kinu in adult form once she leaves the astral plane instead of forcing her off into an arranged marriage you have no say in. I personally am not a fan of incest, but it was a major part of coc1 so i could see how people could want it. At first Tobs told everybody to get bent, and that it wasn't his artistic vision for his work and nobody, not even patreon supporters had any say in it. But once that started to blow up, Savin did some quick damage control and swept everything under the rug under the guise of patreon guidelines forbidding that type of content (and ignoring the same criticisms for the mallach temple grooming). Tobs commissioned a bunch of porn of kinu getting railed by the arranged marriage guy nakano just to spite everyone, and still has it as his profile pic on the forums to this day.
He also wrote all of Gweyr quest, a story about some crazy lady that sees a bunch of children being indoctrinated into a cult, and she decides her best course of action over it all is to kill them all. in the writing, we the character are forced to believe that what she did was right, and agree with her to convince to town people so.
He's still one of the lead writers now, but all of his current work feels extremely verbose and condescending. I honestly find it hard to read.