To be clear I don't ACTUALLY think he wants to fuck his kid or something (I'm sure he's a good father and I'm sure the kid will live a comfortable life with all that patreon money he rakes in), but it IS funny that's his reasoning, considering how much degenerate shit he's written in the past, and continues to participate in.Hey...let's not go there, seems a bit much.
Sounds like a individual that's got issues lolAccording to Sav and a couple of others, it's not just that - it's about Fenoxo feeling uncomfortable with it ever since he had his kid.
With the addition of Patreon being touchy about it, it probably just didn't seem worth it for the tiny amount of parental incest stuff that existed.
Considering fictional characters don't exist, not really sure why anyone would really be bothered by incest in a porn game where almost every single character is overly sexualized and you banging them has zero consequences lol Just because I got three siblings doesn't mean I can't find incest attractive in porn games or in a manga/douji.LMAO I don't remember where the quote is from, but I once heard someone say that "People who have an incest fetish clearly don't have siblings/children," so I find it kind of funny that Fenoxo having a child made him 100% renounce any content of that sort.
If the mechanic's were more in depth, It would be nice to have a system similar to fallout where skill levels and passing checks actually matter. Currently however, there basically pointless, If there even is skill checks since this is a interactive vn, not a true RPG. Writers like Tobs go out of there way to make your character act a specific way even if your character would never said action.Now that I think about it, why are there no skill checks in the game? I mean they're in TiTS so I don't see why they couldn't be in this game. It'd actually be cool to bullshit your way out of situations with having a high enough charm stat. Willpower could even be a way to avoid getting corrupted or something like that.
Weird how there are item checks to make things easier(leananstone OP) but not skill checks lmao
Sorry if my question came out as baity, that wasn't the intention. I fall into "haven't reached Tobs content" camp. Heck, I've accidently left the Fox Wife Orb in the cave because I didn't pay enough attention. I've seen a lot of Kitsune discussions both here and on the official forums and I was just curious because it's difficult to judge some of the stuff and I really didn't feel like diving into the whole sub-game in CoC2 that's all about Kitsune.Not really a weird question. It's a pretty common question actually, usually asked by people who have either never read Tobs content or who like it. I don't know which side of the fence you fall on and considering a bunch of us were just talking about Tobs writing with only like 1-2 (?) people mentioning the kinu fuck mod in progress, this question seems a little baity but I'll bite.
I usually play female MCs and do not like giving them dicks. That includes magic dicks or strap-ons. So my MC is locked out of Kiyoko content and thus Kinu content - my thoughts on no kinu incest doesn't matter because kiyoko/kinu are not for dickless MCs. But I have read his other content, Garret, Gweyr quest, the party of kitsune who roam the frostwood, Convocation of Mirrors, Elyon, the lady Evergreen quest that leads into meeting the kitsune, the avanai rider in the Glacial Rift, Imad in Mallach's temple, etc. And I still don't like his writing. I don't like how he writes dialogue as part of the narration, I don't like how he seems averse to player choice in his content, I don't like how he forces the PC to act how he wants in order to make whatever point he's trying to make in his content, I don't like his pretentious responses to criticism on the forums, and I think he has no idea how to write male npc on female pc sex scenes because all of his scenes of that type have been unsexy to me.
I DO like his action/adventure bits, I think he does those well and he actually gives us various choices on how to approach situations and writes meaningful dialogue for the various companions during said scenes. But overall, if I see his name on upcoming content I know I probably won't be in for a good time. I still read it because like with the small parts of his stuff I do like, sometimes he surprises me, but he is nowhere near my favorite writer on the team. And that has nothing to do with not being able to lewd the daughter.
I think part of the problem with this is the multiple writers, no one wants to have their content locked off behind having specific stats. You could restrict it to main story only but then it would stick out like a sore thumb, or take the TiTs approch and make it easy to max your stats so the checks may as well not exist at all.If the mechanic's were more in depth, It would be nice to have a system similar to fallout where skill levels and passing checks actually matter. Currently however, there basically pointless, If there even is skill checks since this is a interactive vn, not a true RPG. Writers like Tobs go out of there way to make your character act a specific way even if your character would never said action.
We'd be at page 11 of this thread, and by we i mean not 99% of us.As an example, if Tobs was the only writer for the game
Lack of choice is a huge problem in any RPG, not just porn games. It's the reason some people call COC2 a VN and not a RPG. To be fair there is a huge difference between being told "this is a situation you can't do anything about" and "this is how your character FEELS about the situation" neither is great but one is just the setting and the other is robbing the player of agency.Another reason I've asked this is because I am just curious about writing porn RPG games in general. I wonder how much people tolerate lack of choice in some scenarios. How much roleplaying as an evil character matters to them. How much people get irked or even mad when certain fetish is locked or absent in a porn-game with a large variety of other fetishes. To me, this entire thread sort of proves that hey, people actually greatly care about the narrative in a porn game and will be mad when it drops the bar.
Tobs is a very prolific writer, there's no doubt about that. Take the kitsune den for example, when it first came out it didn't launch with every single npc that it has now. But over the course of several patches, Tobs' filled the area out with npcs, items, quests, and pages upon pages of writing pretty quickly. Compare that to literally any other area. There was a huge gap between bee hive area's introduction and "completion", winter city came out with pretty much everything at once and then stayed empty for months (and still doesn't have enough content/npcs to read as a populated city), KhorMinos is being slooowwwllllyyyyy filled out (first backer patch with Undermountain content came out June 11, 2021), etc.As an example, if Tobs was the only writer for the game and had a pre-defined MC that always acts in a specific way and is consistent across different quests and storylines - would that improve how some of his content feels? Obviously it wouldn't fix the issue with the writing style he has, but still, it would probably remove some of the issues, right? From what I understand - he is essentially a writer who's content creates the biggest disconnect in the game people immerse themselves into and it sticks out like a sore thumb regardless of the quality of the actual content. He could have been a brilliant author, but his narrative choices just don't fit the game he is writing for. At least, that's my perspective.
Than what is the point of a RPG if you just make it like Skyrim where it only a RPG on a very superficial level. The entire point of a playthrough or playing a RPG in general is to role play a character in a certain way but if you make it where anyone can do anything, that destroys the immersion. A legit barbarian Champion shouldn't be good as a mage and therefore, should be locked out of content that requires you to be a dedicated mage. Sure you can argue people don't want that but people who actually like to role play or play RPG's do multiple playthrough's anyway. There is literally no replayability to a VN or a RPG if you can do literally everything just about in a single run. Yeah, I know, it's a porn game but that doesn't mean you should do a half ass job if your going to actually add RPG mechanic's to it and expect people to play it as a RPG. A good porn game is just an adult game that just HAPPENS to have porn in it.I think part of the problem with this is the multiple writers, no one wants to have their content locked off behind having specific stats. You could restrict it to main story only but then it would stick out like a sore thumb, or take the TiTs approch and make it easy to max your stats so the checks may as well not exist at all.
Do you think someone like this would be remedied if PC was actually likable/not a fool? I am mostly asking cause I have a project planned, but I am not sure I'll have enough power to add branching paths and major choices for quest. I can understand how annoying it can be when you can control every aspect of the main character... except how they interact with others and what decisions they make, but I am simply gathering info on whether or not this type of narrative is a lost cause or can work with better writing, likable characters e.t.c.If he was the only writer for the game I think I'd still be frustrated because playing a game that lets you choose tfs, class, powers, weapons, armor, name, etc and then getting to the content and realizing the writer makes the PC act like a fool to fit their narrative (with no input from the player), would be very disappointing.
I kind of disagree here, IMO a good porn game is one that manages to blend the porn and the gameplay such that one leads into the other and vice versa. RPG's that have porn in them are a dime a dozen but the real gems are things like Karyn's prison, otherwise the best porn game would be Elden Ring but with Melania having nipples.A good porn game is just an adult game that just HAPPENS to have porn in it.
It all comes down to your audience, but in general if you're giving players agency over character creation they'll probably expect more choices when it comes to the rest of the game. There's nothing wrong with a linear narative as long as it's consistant with itself and the game as a whole.Do you think someone like this would be remedied if PC was actually likable/not a fool? I am mostly asking cause I have a project planned, but I am not sure I'll have enough power to add branching paths and major choices for quest. I can understand how annoying it can be when you can control every aspect of the main character... except how they interact with others and what decisions they make, but I am simply gathering info on whether or not this type of narrative is a lost cause or can work with better writing, likable characters e.t.c.
I think it can work but its like Wrynn13 said: the player not having multiple branching paths and only being given one path to go down, is not the same as a writer telling the player how their character should feel. Tobs does both but it's probably the latter that pisses people off the most. And I honestly think simple dialogue choices for the player to react to what's happen wouldn't be a mountain of work to include. Like I'm not saying we need huge branching paths or anything.Do you think someone like this would be remedied if PC was actually likable/not a fool? I am mostly asking cause I have a project planned, but I am not sure I'll have enough power to add branching paths and major choices for quest. I can understand how annoying it can be when you can control every aspect of the main character... except how they interact with others and what decisions they make, but I am simply gathering info on whether or not this type of narrative is a lost cause or can work with better writing, likable characters e.t.c.
Fair enough, a porn game that can't blend both the gameplay and the porn itself well is just setting itself up for failure.I kind of disagree here, IMO a good porn game is one that manages to blend the porn and the gameplay such that one leads into the other and vice versa. RPG's that have porn in them are a dime a dozen but the real gems are things like Karyn's prison, otherwise the best porn game would be Elden Ring but with Melania having nipples.
I do somewhat agree about CoC2 though, as an RPG it's very weak but TBH they've never really tried to court that crowd. From CoC to TiTs and now to CoC2 it's always been closer to a text adventure/VN than a DnD campaign, the combat is just there to fill the moment to moment stuff and provide an easy explanation for why anyone in universe cares about what the player character has to say (because they just kicked the crap out of their entire army).
It all comes down to your audience, but in general if you're giving players agency over character creation they'll probably expect more choices when it comes to the rest of the game. There's nothing wrong with a linear narative as long as it's consistant with itself and the game as a whole.
It's implied that her husband has been cheating on her and has children from various women but when it comes to the player getting Gweyr oh no no can't have the power fantasy there instead like a good boy you will return her to her husband after solving her problems. Maybe if this was CoC1 you could have cucked Garth via a corruption check. Either way it's the same shit as Kinu and should be added in the mods plan as potential content as I want the wolf mama for myselfReally I just wanted to fuck Gweyr that was the main thing I wanted to get from the whole questline.
As far as I know he was beaten and raped by an orc in one case, and the other one involved a love potion he tested on himself he was trying to buy for Gweyr.It's implied that her husband has been cheating on her and has children from various women but when it comes to the player getting Gweyr oh no no can't have the power fantasy there instead like a good boy you will return her to her husband after solving her problems. Maybe if this was CoC1 you could have cucked Garth via a corruption check. Either way it's the same shit as Kinu and should be added in the mods plan as potential content as I want the wolf mama for myself
Isn't cheating under the effects of drugs/alcohol still be considered cheating? Then again, the rules might be different with a fantasy love potion.the other one involved a love potion he tested on himself he was trying to buy for Gweyr