Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.15] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Cakei]

I guess, i just max out exp with the save editor and lvl up and go with that...

 

[Ilovekatz19]

I guess, i just max out exp with the save editor and lvl up and go with that...

That'd work.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

No no, if i max out the stats with the save editor, once i lvl up, i cant proceed, i get negative points to spends, even putting the max 12 in all of stats, is still give negatiive points to spneds

Just set your level higher than allowed maximum. Then there won't be a softlock upon level up, because there simply will never be a level up. And it'll allow you to use any ability, previously locked by requiring level higher than possible. Like Kas' Dragon Breath.

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[Tsubuhaza]

We used to joke about Champion teasing Kas constantly to Calise in /cocg/
"Ah Calise I'm sorry my heart has already been taken...by Kas"
That whole thing was figured out almost immediately after her first appearance View attachment 4601700

I like the idea of there being an honest to God hope that people would look at Calise and not go "ah, the demon futa chick, what is she up to?". She might as well have a little plaque saying "I'm totally not Kasyrra, I'm not!".

It's too big to chew on for someone like Savin. But let's be real here, anyone at Fenoxo including the OG himself utterly sucks at finishing their games. CoC is not finished. I will fight people irl if they unironically tell me otherwise. Look at what's happened to TiTs, entire chunks of the game, whole planets that carry on the story, various storylines that were hyped for years suddenly get axed and tossed into the wastebin. The same thing's happened in CoC II, with most of the corrupt paths outright being scrapped or scaled back to mean nothing, but I'm honestly surprised no location's been outright axed given the track record of this team.

I mean, I suppose it helps Savin is a bit more tight lipped on what the plans are going forward other than some vague statments like "Next is Salamander city", "The game is 60% done", or "The final area is going to be the ziggurat".

The thing about violence always has been head scratcher for me. They act like Patreon is like YouTube where you'll get demonitized for just saying fuck, but honestly, I've seen plently of projects with stuff they claim isn't allowed. The entire "Carmen can't be a real vampire!" situation is a prime example of this. Look. I'm not asking for a return to CoC I where you could casually commit incest with your kids, but come on. If you're going to tell me gutting someone is going to axe your game, at least pretend to seriously act like that's the case instead of inserting Gweyr's child murder spree, have us able to kill Imps and the Centaur pack leader, and the original Hobgoblin loss scene that was straight up played 100% serious.

The only explaination is it's just laziness on Savin's part. He can't be arsed to make any alterations to an NPC unless it involves gluing a dick to them. I think that explains most of Savin's mentality. He hides behind a curtain of spite to mask the true fact that he wanted to play world builder and then got bored. He couldn't be bothered to make sure his writers were on the same page lorewise, couldn't be bothered to figure out what story he wanted to tell and what the stakes are, couldn't be bothered to reign them in and stop them from going full self-insert, couldn't be bothered to have them actually cater to what his playerbase is asking from them time and time and time again, couldn't be bothered to enforce deadlines fairly and strictly leaving to situations where Einen gets axed despite being almost complete but Bubs can go on vacation and his OCs are okay, couldn't be bothered to act like a real boss and stop his subordinates from starting catfights with each other, couldn't be bothered to do his own job and check every submission which lead to the Hobgoblin and Hashat scenes.

Even now the little times he's tried to course correct is too little, too late. It's like a drunk deadbeat clinging to his wife's dress, sobbing, "Don't leave me baby, I promise I'll be better!", then is sober for like a week before going back to the old routine again.

I feel zero sympathy for Savin. He brought all of this on himself.

Sumed it up perfectly. Said it once, will say it again: CoC3 might be a thing but most of us ain't gonna bother.

The fact this has to be a choice is so retarded. All the pointless fluff they push through and it's either plot or Mayternity? When the majority is just one-off filler for NPCs who don't matter? Goddamn is this a shitshow of a development team.

I like that there's an option that's basically "eh, you choose, Savin, you're doing great!" and it's losing. I'm aware that's an innocent choice of words but I find it kinda funny.

This is usually right around the time the roof caves in and the floor falls out beneath us.

Wouldn't be surprised if the very anti-modding "developers" of this game decide to make it even harder to try and mod our own content in. Still, if this does end up not getting shafted by some form of futa cock. I'd be mighty happy to see it end up working its way to TiTs. Maybe I'll get my treatment Reaha yet...

Truth be told, I'm thinking on that happening (in which point I'd say balls to that and wait on LK's game which will likely be less of a pain) or them not doing anything on laziness/"we're better than that" and internal seething.

I do like the odds of the latter because, you see, they say all men are created equal but you look at Savin and you can tell that statement's not true. See, normally if you go mod someone's project and they don't like that, you have a 50/50 chance of getting away with it. But Savin's a little bitch, so he's not normal. So you have a 25% chance, AT BEST, of them doing anything about it.

I would also say that adding someone to rat it out (like Savin's PR boy that showed up a while back) would drastically take those odds down but I think he'll be ignored.

The age thing, the absolute slough it is to interact with her, and the bizarre mind break meth milk she deals with just make her super off putting. Then, even if you can get past that and invite her to camp, she is super clingy and weird, and beefs with Amily, who is just cheesed to meet you and therefore can do no wrong. Also Isabella is the better cowgirl.

Amen! She doesn't do much but she does it right.

Yeah, the farm isn't what I'd describe as a strong point of the game. Also poor Amily, the things I did to that sweet little mouse in the name of science.

I always wandered there on accident, to be honest. I'd then unlock the Farm and basically never visit.

Or beat up Kelt and get banned. One of the two.

...Also, what did you to do to Amily?

 

[B-52 Stratofortress]

...Also, what did you to do to Amily?

She was no longer cheesed to meet me and we'll leave it at that.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

...Also, what did you to do to Amily?

You can turn her from furry into mostly-human. That's a fate worse than death for furries, you know.

 

[Trapitalism101]

Amen! She doesn't do much but she does it right.

Honestly, I think that is the secret to a good character in most games involving cocks going into orifices. Most of the CoC 1 cast have a very narrow personality/goal that is there from when you first meet them to when the game stops writing them. Urta is a drunk who wishes she could be pregnant but is barren, Jojo is a mouse monk seeking peace and monkly wisdom against corruption, Ember is a barbarian who lost her family, and Amily wants to save her race by being cheesed to meet you.They all stay pretty consistent in their goals as well. Whereas, the CoC 2 companions are all wannabe main characters, who ignore their goals constantly because they are all hollow OC's filled with a pale imitation of the old school horney that used to exist.

Isabella being a German woman who got corrupted into a cow lady, but retained a sense of honor and blunt force tramua, and is much more interesting than Broke Dick Brint who might as well be nameless minotaur #5.

 

[Jbuster]

Honestly, I think that is the secret to a good character in most games involving cocks going into orifices. Most of the CoC 1 cast have a very narrow personality/goal that is there from when you first meet them to when the game stops writing them. Urta is a drunk who wishes she could be pregnant but is barren, Jojo is a mouse monk seeking peace and monkly wisdom against corruption, Ember is a barbarian who lost her family, and Amily wants to save her race by being cheesed to meet you.They all stay pretty consistent in their goals as well. Whereas, the CoC 2 companions are all wannabe main characters, who ignore their goals constantly because they are all hollow OC's filled with a pale imitation of the old school horney that used to exist.

Isabella being a German woman who got corrupted into a cow lady, but retained a sense of honor and blunt force tramua, and is much more interesting than Broke Dick Brint who might as well be nameless minotaur #5.

By the time your champion reach Dracia most of your companions got what they wanted from being with you, even Dracia itself as a quest feels less about crippling the demons by ruining their sea operations and more about Etheryn getting to use her dick (a most noble goal in Savin's playbook), and also a chance at capturing a couple of bitchy, crazy women, because we lack those at the Wayfort

The rest of your companions without a clear objective hang around, this is specially true about Angi

Your interactions with them become bland, there's no conflict besides certain parts where you are not able to do much, so is there just for flavor and nothing else. Remember visiting Kiyoko for the first time and being something special and unique?, well now it's a bland experience

The Winter City is a really tiny place, with only a store managed by a powercuck and his amazon cow wife

Almost everyone at the Mallach Temple fleshing out what life is like in their homeland gives you a vision of poverty and prostitution or being a rejected commissioned baby, balancing the whims of a sultanate while legions of chaste catboys and slut priestess expand their dominions, and your champion brough that to miserable wasteland Hawkethorne

Your ex cultist companion hangs around these kind of places being rejected and gossiping about your sexual escapades

Carmen, who is said to be powerful enough to fix all of this without your help stays at home, and I'm pretty sure that just like that rabbit guy she sits on a balcony and comments to herself about how hot your companions are, because why not?

There are like two or three more guys with that power level, they are useless and only exist to point out how your champion is a lucky nobody, which is true to some extent and yet, who else is trying to save the world?, not them

Khor'minos at least has more people, they are not great but still, and the king is plagued with the ancient question, "thot daughter or gay son?", except that princess ain't no thot yet

Surprisingly, corruption is show as something bad with negative consequences, with the king turning every smart woman into a dumb cow whore, this is a first for this game unless they add an option later to corrupt the whole city and then corruption won't be that bad anymore

They did dirty to Kalinka or whatever her name is at the end of her quest, don't need a bitchy writer ruining whatever little immersion I have while trying to seduce her, however, her niece or whatever is nice, feels like Freja and that's a plus if you are looking for family related stuff, as in, everything Kinu was and won't be anymore

I know someone asked about games like this, about that, lust doll plus is somewhat similar, and while not being great there are a couple of things, that while your character is aimless beyond not dying on the streets or being enslaved, the npcs you interact with are fun, and you can understand why they would like your character, and, the world feels bigger than Savarra. haven't played since Nimosa because I don't care about plus size ladies while there's a mysterious slave dragon lady wandering around

 

[Lord Kentus]

She was no longer cheesed to meet me and we'll leave it at that.

I am reminded of the Leon meme from RE4, the Moushley stuff

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[Tsubuhaza]

They did dirty to Kalinka or whatever her name is at the end of her quest, don't need a bitchy writer ruining whatever little immersion I have while trying to seduce her, however, her niece or whatever is nice, feels like Freja and that's a plus if you are looking for family related stuff, as in, everything Kinu was and won't be anymore

Oh, she's Kaliningradia's daughter, I think. Much as Freja's a fucking ugly baby and all, I will say she's a fun little bit of the game. Would be fun if they had interact with the harpy's daughter for shenanigans. Game's really lacking on the front of characters just goofing around together.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

Oh, she's Kaliningradia's daughter, I think. Much as Freja's a fucking ugly baby and all, I will say she's a fun little bit of the game. Would be fun if they had interact with the harpy's daughter for shenanigans. Game's really lacking on the front of characters just goofing around together.

How dare you insult our little potato! The ner.... oh wait, you said baby. Yea she was funny looking. Remember seeing it for the 1st time like... ew. Daddy loves you pumpkin!

I mean obviously this is a poon game. So it's not going to be priority. But with all these kids they allowing us to pump out. We need more father time! Don't skimp on the wholesome, just because we degenerates. Have a baby momma conference and allow these named kids to meet all proper like.

Even have a corrupted champion convo with them. To explain that they are special and shall inherit the world. While their nursery brothers and sisters. Will be used as the cannon fodder when we aim for family world domination! They must know that they are better! They are daddies favorites. Because daddy actually knows who the hell they are, instead of just a generic number that means nothing.

 

[Azriel Satan]

Surprisingly, corruption is show as something bad with negative consequences, with the king turning every smart woman into a dumb cow whore, this is a first for this game unless they add an option later to corrupt the whole city and then corruption won't be that bad anymore

Khor'minos has taken so long and all the other corruption variants are basically nothing so I doubt it, but for whats already in game; Nieves has variations for it and a locked scene, Ambra has bodyguards, Vitra's scenes are altered to be exhibitionist, Rixx will leave the city, Katya wont appear, Livrea has an alternate introduction and is handsier The Passion Pasture, Atugias date has a new option.

 

[Jbuster]

Oh, she's Kaliningradia's daughter, I think. Much as Freja's a fucking ugly baby and all, I will say she's a fun little bit of the game. Would be fun if they had interact with the harpy's daughter for shenanigans. Game's really lacking on the front of characters just goofing around together.

My most silly kids deserve more love, gotta make a quest for them, something silly and simple, maybe sending Inaya, Freja, harpy daughter and... Kinu's little sister, you know which one, to fetch some treasure for their moms as a thank you for never demanding child support. I'm pretty sure the champion could ask around the old forest and convince some friends to play pretend with them kids. Grainne would want to

Drifa could play the part of final boss, bet she'll love that

Edit: Forgot how to multiquote so I'm adding this to the post about Khor'minos with/without corruption

The champion as soon as Ambra opens her mouth

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Ember is a barbarian who lost her family

That's not Ember, that's Helia. Slutty salamander barbarian who lost her dad is definitely Helia.
Meanwhile Ember isn't even born until Champ stumbles upon her egg.

 

[MarvintheBee]

Khor'minos has taken so long and all the other corruption variants are basically nothing so I doubt it, but for whats already in game; Nieves has variations for it and a locked scene, Ambra has bodyguards, Vitra's scenes are altered to be exhibitionist, Rixx will leave the city, Katya wont appear, Livrea has an alternate introduction and is handsier The Passion Pasture, Atugias date has a new option.

Ohh thats cool, how would someone access those scenes?
But also hate to dissappoint but they are probably just leftovers from when Corrupted Khorminos was still on the table and not axxed.

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[MoneyMan181]

Ohh thats cool, how would someone access those scenes?
But also hate to dissappoint but they are probably just leftovers from when Corrupted Khorminos was still on the table and not axxed.

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I don't know why but seeing that screenshot just pisses me off about the game again. It's just so fucking infuriating that these devs went, "Hey let's make a sequel to the game about corruption and remove all the fucking corruption!". And the fucked up part is I don't even like corruption content. Hell, I actively avoid it. But the fact that I CHOOSE to avoid it means everything.

Everything about this game is just a fucking drag compared to the first one. All the characters suck and are fucking boring one dimensional dipshits I couldn't give less of a shit about. Like seriously, I can't wrap my head around that. How do we have COMPANIONS with RECURRING comments about the current situation and individual quests and I still can't care for them? What a colossal fucking failure in writing. I literally do not care for even one of them, despite loving the designs for some. None of them go anywhere or even have a fucking modicum of depth. You read one scene for each character and there you go, that's their entire character arc right there. Inb4 someone says "erm well ackshually the game isnt finished yet so they still have time to-" no. Just no. If we haven't gotten shit in the like 7-8 years this game has been worked on, we're not getting shit for the rest of it.

And the setting. By god the setting. What is this horse shit? It's like the fucking Last Jedi in that they try to subvert expectations for no fucking reason. "Hey guys the gods are actually BAD, and everything is already a shitshow even before the demons show up! Isn't that so original?!" Literally who cares, you have not done anything with these plot points this entire time, nor have you explored any of these topics even slightly, and you haven't even HINTED that any of these things are actually supposed to be bad. Everybody already rapes, enslaves, and grooms each other and that's just fucking cool and okay and awesome, deal with it, you're just a random nobody, chud!

And I'm really not a hard man to please. Give me a generic tsundere tomboy and I'm happy. Give me some actual fluff and I'm happy. Yet they can't even manage that. How man? Literally just make an actual coc2 and I'd be satisfied. Instead we have this on rails pseudo-rpg with horrendous combat, zero player agency, zero choices on how to handle things beyond choosing to fuck the big bad or not and just refusing to see content, boring lore, flat characters, a world I actively do not want to be a part of, and am actively told I as a player am effectively worthless. Great sequel guys.

And you know what stings the most? With every shitty idea they have, there's an actual glimmer of potential. Wow having a different and subversive world/lore could be interesting and fun! If we actually got to interact with it and explore it in a meaningful way. A baby crazy fox lady that's been trapped inside a pocket dimension for a hundred years and has gone slightly crazy because of it? Sign me u- oh my daughter hates me and is suddenly 18 for no reason and I randomly play as her sometimes. That's... awesome. A girl that was basically raised from birth to be a whore and has never had a normal upbringing? Wow, that sounds like a really interesting and particular circumstance that could involve a lot of trauma and emotional bagga- oh she's just actually a generic slut........ O-okay what about the big macho man that sleeps around and has a giant horse cock suddenly being turned into a girl that wants you to fuck her own family? Surely she has some feelings about being turned into the opposite sex and has opinions on at least having a period now, right...?

Why are you all looking at me like that? There's no way that's not the case, right?

These chucklenuts with all this funding and time can't even come close to matching a visual novel made by a bunch of autistic anons over on 4channel. This is the timeline we're in.

As one last fuming screech to end this rant, I give you this fresh copypasta: You think this is something-You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse! That Cait. Are you telling me the first companion just happens to be the lead writer's cuckold wet dream? No, he orchestrated it! Savin! He defecated on CoC's legacy! And we saved him! We shouldn't have. Gave him our own money! What were we thinking?! He'll never change. He'll NEVER change! Ever since he first wrote, always the same. Couldn't keep his cock out of a slut's hollowed out pussy. But not our Savin, couldn't be precious Savin! Stealing us blind! And he gets to be lead writer?! What a sick joke! We should've stopped him when we had the chance!

 

[Alterism]

You know, on the topic of dick size, what's your guys' stance on minimum/maximum requirements for some characters?

Net wise it helps immersion in my opinion.

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But heck, I'm going to continue anyways as it segues into my point.

once I lost track of a champion's changes and when I checked them I had this bloated thing with plant skin, dragon wings and forked tongue constantly pushing eggs from her holes and leaking honey from her tits, that same shit in TITS?

I think the more striking thing is that you had to check, likely under the appearance menu, to get any visual feedback of your character. In TiTS you may balloon into a plastic porn star.

However, through the substantially better use of the parser you'll know what you are and what configurations you have in nearly everything you do. Even something as simple scene against a horny bug reflects:

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And speaking of accidents

One again, relationships are something CoC 1 did way better.

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Given how romances have all but been completely fucking scoured out of TiTS development as well I'm just going to assume this is a result of working on porn for too long as this game has less buildup in relationships than the average Ren'py visual novel starring Chad Mcthundercock.

unless they add an option later to corrupt the whole city and then corruption won't be that bad anymore

That was cancelled.
Yes I know.

"Corruption" of champions II

Wsan made a post about how he wanted to do it so much and blah blah blah. Which, unfortunately bounced off of me when you consider the entire last year has been bouncing between 4 different futadommes. With a 5th on the way.

 

[K1ng_C00mer]

Ohh thats cool, how would someone access those scenes?
But also hate to dissappoint but they are probably just leftovers from when Corrupted Khorminos was still on the table and not axxed.

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Lol. Lmao. I don't think I've ever in my life seen a dev team so fucking pathetic and dysfunctional. Just casually going:

"Yeah... Actually, that large chunk of the game we've been hyping up? It's axed now. Yup. Sucks ain't it? Well, off I go to do jackshit and maybe write a few chunks of my next character. I think you'll all love her. She's a futa dom with a focus on three- whoops! Don't wanna spoil too much, haha . Subscribe to the patreon!"

I mean, Christ. At least Concorde and Dustborn devs were able to release an actual game that felt finished. I've never seen a game constantly scrap major parts of it like I do Fenoxo games. Because usually when that happens, that's a very bad sign. I mean, I'm not surprised at all. Really, I expected this kind of shit. It's happened before. But I mean, the nerve of this bastard to just casually drop this. I guess what really pisses me off is how he's acting like it's out of his hands. HEY SAVIN, YOU USELESS SACK OF SHIT! YOU'RE THE GODDAMN LEAD DEV! YOU CALL THE SHOTS!

I really want to see their private chats. The stuff that's not public. There's got to be tons of juicy shit in there. Just to see what sort of decision making (Or lack thereof) is going on behind the scenes. I know they've said time and time again that no one on the team is into corruption, but it's like if that's the case... Why are they still doing it for individual characters?

Drifa for example. Like just make her goth outfit an alternate set of clothes. It's not like her "corrupt" personality is so far removed from her normal one. Just fucking scrap corruption as a mechanic at this point, because it basically means nothing and it's never going to get better.

I want someone to tell me, what does corruption do in this game that tangibly affects things? Besides locking you out of content, of course. I can only think of making that Elf baker lady slightly slutty (And I don't think you even need to be corrupt to do that, doing it just gives you corruption), and turning the goocat purple. I'm certain there's a few more things. Maybe some dialouge is changed I think.

And you know, going back to patreon, did Savin or anyone inform them about corrupt Khorminos being scrapped? I don't remember if the main Fenoxo blog announced it. If not, then he's quite literally scamming people who are under the assumption that this content is still being added to the game.

Wsan made a post about how he wanted to do it so much and blah blah blah. Which, unfortunately bounced off of me when you consider the entire last year has been bouncing between 4 different futadommes. With a 5th on the way.

It's my drunkard analogy all over again. That's why I said that you either die a hero or live to see yourself become a villian with Savin and Co. Wsan's fully part of the inner circle now. When he said how the polls mean nothing because the writers write what they want, that was it for him. It's why I keep all the writers a good pole distance away from me praising them or getting hyped.

I remember back on /cocg/, how B was /ourguy/, he was saving Berwyn, he was making him for the players, for /you/. Berwyn is going to be fully cutomizable, with pregnancy included. And you get his sexy teacher Maitha too! Can you believe it!?

Then we all knew what happened next. And like clockwork, Wsan became /ourguy/. He was going to save Khorminos. A whole city of hot cow babes just for the player, for /you/. And you'll get Brienne's sister and mother too! You're going to be able to marry all three! Can you believe it!?

 

[Tsubuhaza]

How dare you insult our little potato! The ner.... oh wait, you said baby. Yea she was funny looking. Remember seeing it for the 1st time like... ew. Daddy loves you pumpkin!

I mean obviously this is a poon game. So it's not going to be priority. But with all these kids they allowing us to pump out. We need more father time! Don't skimp on the wholesome, just because we degenerates. Have a baby momma conference and allow these named kids to meet all proper like.

Even have a corrupted champion convo with them. To explain that they are special and shall inherit the world. While their nursery brothers and sisters. Will be used as the cannon fodder when we aim for family world domination! They must know that they are better! They are daddies favorites. Because daddy actually knows who the hell they are, instead of just a generic number that means nothing.

Don't get me wrong, she doesn't look a lot better as a child but damn, her baby form made me ponder if Helia 2: Judgement Day attended the My Inner Life school of pregnancies and got shitfaced throughout thinking it'd make her stronger.

I kinda blame the mother, the Champ's other unique kids look normal enough, even the damn centaur. Her old render looking like it hit a truck face first probably didn't help.

But I mean, Freja and Mitra are on the same place basically. No fucking way would they not stumble upon each other for havoc.

 

[The Permanent War Economy]

Helia 2: Judgement Day

I’m not too confident Helia 3: Revelations is going to go much better.