Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.15] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[GS21]

I'm against the corruption personality bit. Atleast i don't want it to be completely based off of that. It reminds me too much of how alot of mainline games handle evil. Thinking that being a murderhobo and randomly killing/hurting people for no reason is the evil experience people are looking for. I want to be more lawfully evil, or to put it simply, like a politician. I can see the corruption making us more selfish and unempathetic to others, generally strangers and the like. But I'd still like the freedom of being kind and loving towards my wives, children, and some of my companions. I'm not against the corruption changing our personality, but making us a dickhead really doesn't do it for me. Personality/background stuff we choose when we made our character should work with the corruption. Like maybe if you choose soldier, the corruption makes you more agressive and domineering. But it's something you can reign in so you aren't like that all the time. Demons in coc2 suppesdly have a single obsession that they love doing and while they can engage in other things it doesn't really give them any positive feelings.

I'm going on a tangent, but I like to have my cake and eat it.

You know you might just be onto something here... Maybe we don't even need to bother with nested parsers at all. I'm thinking entirely new windows gated by both the corruption score and background -- as you stated -- which would make it entirely optional. So instead of pressing [Next], you will have another option to act on if you wish, depending on your score and BG.
Maybe alignment archetypes aren't impossible after all...
The only downside is that this isn't a one-man-job. Writing the actual scenes is only half of it, what comes before is equally important, that being actually finding the scenes that this concept can be applied to. Essentially replaying the game and making note of every specific scene to work on, which is far easier said than done.

And I have personally pointed out that Hana (Savin's self-insert) is literally just Kaede from TiTS (who was also Savin's blatant self-insert). There were other instances, but I just don't care enough to remember.

God that was some of the most awkward fucking content in that game... Hamfisted polycule hell which is almost Azzy and her lesbian GF levels of awkward. Anno just being TiTS Cait doesn't make it any better either (even if she's marginally better than the wet pink cumsock). Neil "Savin" Druckmann really out here with the unstoppable bangers, goddamn. I've always found the Anno and Kaede content kinda iffy, but wasn't really invested in the lore at the time so it all makes sense now.

Wait Hana is a self insert? Well there goes any thoughts of that dick ever being gone. One of the few characters I've bothered to engage with and thought were cool.

 

[CrimsonSongbird1982]

You know you might just be onto something here... Maybe we don't even need to bother with nested parsers at all. I'm thinking entirely new windows gated by both the corruption score and background -- as you stated -- which would make it entirely optional. So instead of pressing [Next], you will have another option to act on if you wish, depending on your score and BG.
Maybe alignment archetypes aren't impossible after all...
The only downside is that this isn't a one-man-job. Writing the actual scenes is only half of it, what comes before is equally important, that being actually finding the scenes that this concept can be applied to. Essentially replaying the game and making note of every specific scene to work on, which is far easier said than done.

I'd say the first part would be consolidating backgrounds into archetypes or assigning a few flags with reasonable overlap since like you said earlier stuff like barbarian and hunter are similar just with different stat effects. There would definitely need to be more than a couple people documenting stuff since someone may disagree on scene potential or what archetype may fit an event and more data would be helpful. Otherwise this sounds more realistic and doable than incorporating a personality score or embracing parser hell.

Let Hana remove her dick savin, you've put her through enough already.

Aileh reincarnating through several iterations of Savin's furry game concept only to end in disaster

Is Aileh another Into The Savinverse character?

That's the most corrupt thing the game allows you to do and it ain't even related to the demons

The seven where a psyop to make Kas seem like the lesser evil but savin's hubris won't let him tolerate people speaking ill of his work so he gets mad anyway that his interpretation is accepted.

because there's no redemption in the frozen wastelands of Savarra, only cum & death

At least there are no taxes.

 

[GS21]

I'd say the first part would be consolidating backgrounds into archetypes or assigning a few flags with reasonable overlap since like you said earlier stuff like barbarian and hunter are similar just with different stat effects. There would definitely need to be more than a couple people documenting stuff since someone may disagree on scene potential or what archetype may fit an event and more data would be helpful. Otherwise this sounds more realistic and doable than incorporating a personality score or embracing parser hell.

We need to congregate.

 

[K1ng_C00mer]

You know you might just be onto something here... Maybe we don't even need to bother with nested parsers at all. I'm thinking entirely new windows gated by both the corruption score and background -- as you stated -- which would make it entirely optional. So instead of pressing [Next], you will have another option to act on if you wish, depending on your score and BG.
Maybe alignment archetypes aren't impossible after all...
The only downside is that this isn't a one-man-job. Writing the actual scenes is only half of it, what comes before is equally important, that being actually finding the scenes that this concept can be applied to. Essentially replaying the game and making note of every specific scene to work on, which is far easier said than done.

God that was some of the most awkward fucking content in that game... Hamfisted polycule hell which is almost Azzy and her lesbian GF levels of awkward. Anno just being TiTS Cait doesn't make it any better either (even if she's marginally better than the wet pink cumsock). Neil "Savin" Druckmann really out here with the unstoppable bangers, goddamn. I've always found the Anno and Kaede content kinda iffy, but wasn't really invested in the lore at the time so it all makes sense now.

That's a very interesting idea you got there. A more dynamic system that offers the player tons of agency and RP potential. A goody two-shoes white knight Champ can choose to kill someone if they feel like it while a badboy NTR H-game protag Champ can choose to save someone. Plus taking into BG personalities into account to add even more flavor. Very high workload, but high potential.

Also, glad I'm not the only one who has that hangups about Anno. I will admit, I probably dislike her a lot more than I probably should given how Cait is technically more egregious with her sluttery and there's more instances of her being wingwoman/having content for >You. I don't know. The slut puppy always irked me the wrong way. Maybe it's because she fucked our dad (If I had a nickel for every character in TiTs that romances us after fucking our old man, I'd have two, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.), the fact that she knows every pussy and cock in the known galaxy and is FWBs with enough people to form her own nation "The United Cocks and Cunts of Anno Fuckers", or the fact she keeps trying to bang me when I keep refusing her (Yeah yeah, I know you have to fuck her to recruit her, I'm a completionist, okay!? I wanted to have every female crewmate, sue me...). Nevermind that Kaede also has a kid with a cowgirl on New Texas as well. Man, the world of TiTs must be a nightmare to raise a child in, now that I think about it....

 

[_Aury]

That Cait of all people's true path. Isn't in the same indulgence she's always had and embodied.... it's to go the path of the housewife.

I won’t lie, I always get a chuckle out of people baying for Cait monogamy. I suspect people just want a tradwife catgirl; they don’t care who it has to be.

If nothing else, it explains why people keep asking for it out of Katya of all characters, too.

 

[GS21]

That's a very interesting idea you got there. A more dynamic system that offers the player tons of agency and RP potential. A goody two-shoes white knight Champ can choose to kill someone if they feel like it while a badboy NTR H-game protag Champ can choose to save someone. Plus taking into BG personalities into account to add even more flavor. Very high workload, but high potential.

Also, glad I'm not the only one who has that hangups about Anno. I will admit, I probably dislike her a lot more than I probably should given how Cait is technically more egregious with her sluttery and there's more instances of her being wingwoman/having content for >You. I don't know. The slut puppy always irked me the wrong way. Maybe it's because she fucked our dad (If I had a nickel for every character in TiTs that romances us after fucking our old man, I'd have two, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.), the fact that she knows every pussy and cock in the known galaxy and is FWBs with enough people to form her own nation "The United Cocks and Cunts of Anno Fuckers", or the fact she keeps trying to bang me when I keep refusing her (Yeah yeah, I know you have to fuck her to recruit her, I'm a completionist, okay!? I wanted to have every female crewmate, sue me...). Nevermind that Kaede also has a kid with a cowgirl on New Texas as well. Man, the world of TiTs must be a nightmare to raise a child in, now that I think about it....

No I get it. Cait just happens to come with no strings attached, and she's pretty easy to hate right off the bat. Anno kinda grows on you, the kind of character you actually want to like because unlike Cait, she feels like there's more to her. I am unsure if Savin does this consciously, but Cait has been reduced to comedic relief that only has unfunny sex jokes to offer. It seems like serious Cait isn't a thing anymore? I brought up the snippet where Hana's about to get raped to hell if the PC doesn't step in and all she has to say is "Aaaawww, but she's so CUTE!"
Like what the fuck? Is that something a stable individual has to say? Last I checked she wasn't supposed to be written as a braindead bimbo but that's the only thing I get out of her when playing. I have my gripes with Anno but at least she sounds like she has her shit together... Cait just feels like she's clocked out mentally.

I won’t lie, I always get a chuckle out of people baying for Cait monogamy. I suspect people just want a tradwife catgirl; they don’t care who it has to be.

If nothing else, it explains why people keep asking for it out of Katya of all characters, too. View attachment 5275992

Correct to some extent. You should be familiar with the caliber of gooners on this site. On some level I think all men yearn for a trad catwife, Cait just happens to be the one at the forefront of well... everything.

 

[kndaldakf]

how do you get the option to ask Kalysea about her " asked for breakfast/lunch/dinner"?

 

[Love120]

Reading them talking about making Cait more homey made me remember this cute character...... she is the reason why you have to be careful when sucking minotaur cocks, because if not, later you try to brag to her that you suck her husband's cock very well and then end up looking stupid and she is happy because her man deserves good blowjobs...... so I guess those who want a homey Cait are lucky, it seems that Savin could make one like that.

 

[Yeppers34]

No I get it. Cait just happens to come with no strings attached, and she's pretty easy to hate right off the bat. Anno kinda grows on you, the kind of character you actually want to like because unlike Cait, she feels like there's more to her. I am unsure if Savin does this consciously, but Cait has been reduced to comedic relief that only has unfunny sex jokes to offer. It seems like serious Cait isn't a thing anymore? I brought up the snippet where Hana's about to get raped to hell if the PC doesn't step in and all she has to say is "Aaaawww, but she's so CUTE!"
Like what the fuck? Is that something a stable individual has to say? Last I checked she wasn't supposed to be written as a braindead bimbo but that's the only thing I get out of her when playing. I have my gripes with Anno but at least she sounds like she has her shit together... Cait just feels like she's clocked out mentally.

Correct to some extent. You should be familiar with the caliber of gooners on this site. On some level I think all men yearn for a trad catwife, Cait just happens to be the one at the forefront of well... everything.

I feel like with Anno that while yes she is a turbo slut like Cait she isn't so in your face like Cait is, while yes you can run into Anno slutting it up in the wild and trying to jump your bones in the ship she essentially just kinda does her own thing, she doesn't materialize across the realms to insert herself into scenes like Cait does. Also Anno is better then Cait since she's not apart of a groomer cult.

 

[Alterism]

I'll throw in BDCC

BDCC has about the same chaotic energy as CoC or early LT
What will the next update bring? You'll never know. But, it's happening. I like when things just get new mechanics that change the game and that game certainly does that a lot.

Really these last dozen of years have basically revealed a bunch of different types of games to me. But, I'd have to say my favorite, on here at least, are the balls of creative energy that sometimes (but not always) makes it over the finish line. Clumsy affairs full of weird mechanics, sometimes choppy writing, or obviously self-drawn art that nonetheless make up it's lack of technical prowess with an overabundance of passion.

...That I could never recommend to anybody ever.
"It's a gripping revenge tale as if written by Alexandre Dumas'(s illiterate insensate cousin during a period of drunken "clarity")" is a bit of a hard sell.

Wait wait wait.... looking at some comments. The whole building the Cait temple thing is the bad choice? Since fucking when??? That shit sound like some type of retcon. I remember there was supposed to be an alt choice or something. But bullshit that giving into what she wanted was the bad choice. Unless I'm confused on what folks referring to.

...First off this is the 6th time I've failed to send this post.

Anyways, the framing has changed dramatically as of like 2-3 years ago and the zeitgeist has kicked in.
There were all kinds of things when it was happening and the kind of various sexual hijinks you get. But people didn't build it so~

As to

But hey, what do I know? Maybe this was Savin's long con. To make a super hoe, continue to indulge in that, indulge in it some more, then at the last minute. Say sike! Housewife.

I'm pretty sure I made a post talking about it so to avoid the repeating stuff~

Let's see...
There it is
https://f95zone.to/threads/corrupti...-savin-salamander-studios.11371/post-14888645

Who knows what Cait's destiny is now. But given she basically exists as Savin's dream girl, I wouldn't expect a new religion or vocation to change literally anything about her.

of all characters

Woah there!
I think "of all characters"-tier would be like Marilla or a Jin-Jin, or unnamed horse boy in the forest

 

[JohnnyCashMoney]

I won’t lie, I always get a chuckle out of people baying for Cait monogamy. I suspect people just want a tradwife catgirl; they don’t care who it has to be.

If nothing else, it explains why people keep asking for it out of Katya of all characters, too. View attachment 5275992

You are correct about a lot of people wanting the ultra rare holographic tradwife catgirl. Honestly, I like Katya's design more in the first place. She could be the perfect wife for champs who choose it. I mean... she just likes to be choked a little (and some other things). It's just that during her pregnancy you have to stay away from the rough play.

 

[Jbuster]

Woah there!
I think "of all characters"-tier would be like Marilla or a Jin-Jin, or unnamed horse boy in the forest

I'm curious about this as someone without an account in their forums and not part of their discord, do people actually ask for non slut Cait?, like, is there a proper demand for that path?, because it's been almost five years since the temple and all of that stuff, you would wonder if they ain't updating the main quest fast enough and instead keep adding minor stuff, at least one of their poster girls would get some attention as she goes in that particular direction, but no

At least with the temple I know I might be able to push her sluttery even further and reach new deeps of depravity while the other thing is a pipe dream at best

And, there's already a proper tradwife in the game, she used to be a guy

 

[DuckTheMuck]

I won’t lie, I always get a chuckle out of people baying for Cait monogamy. I suspect people just want a tradwife catgirl; they don’t care who it has to be.

If nothing else, it explains why people keep asking for it out of Katya of all characters, too.

At this point it would be impossible to make Cait monogamist. It would be much better to trade her with her sister Calla.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Is Aileh another Into The Savinverse character?

Read aileH backwards. I'm even giving you a hint with capitalization.

I won’t lie, I always get a chuckle out of people baying for Cait monogamy. I suspect people just want a tradwife catgirl; they don’t care who it has to be.

If nothing else, it explains why people keep asking for it out of Katya of all characters, too. View attachment 5275992

The unstopable lizard brain instinctual desire to have a loyal, happy family.

I feel like with Anno that while yes she is a turbo slut like Cait she isn't so in your face like Cait is, while yes you can run into Anno slutting it up in the wild and trying to jump your bones in the ship she essentially just kinda does her own thing, she doesn't materialize across the realms to insert herself into scenes like Cait does. Also Anno is better then Cait since she's not apart of a groomer cult.

To add to that: Anno is also a vendor. She doesn't just suck your dick from time to time, she brings practical gameplay benefits.
Which is leagues above Cait just being there all useless.

 

[JohnnyCashMoney]

At this point it would be impossible to make Cait monogamist. It would be much better to trade her with her sister Calla.

View attachment 5276616

 

[CrimsonSongbird1982]

Read aileH backwards. I'm even giving you a hint with capitalization.

I'm definitely inept as fuck for not noticing that. That and I never interact with her. He really has some conflicting views about that character that makes him reference her nonstop.

Which is leagues above Cait just being there all useless.

That's not nice. Surely someday savin will add another combat set that makes her useful outside the early game. Then you'll feel silly. SoonTM.

or unnamed horse boy in the forest

His name is "Remove Content Button".

I'm curious about this as someone without an account in their forums and not part of their discord, do people actually ask for non slut Cait?, like, is there a proper demand for that path?, because it's been almost five years since the temple and all of that stuff, you would wonder if they ain't updating the main quest fast enough and instead keep adding minor stuff, at least one of their poster girls would get some attention as she goes in that particular direction, but no

IDK about recently but when I was there and the temple dropped she got more divisive as time went on and the temple became one of those things where people would try to shut down talking about the grooming. Someone even tried to defend and downplay that shit too.

Normally I'd say "we listen and we don't judge" but my sibling in smut, what the fuck. Going back to find this really put in perspective how little progress there has been.

We need to congregate.

Like is there a project in the works already or is this a call to action?

 

[A Burning Conscience]

Read aileH backwards. I'm even giving you a hint with capitalization.

True, but Aileh never felt like Helia, doesn't act like her in the slightest. Still hate her because she's a shoehorned in, hypocritical bitch, and only makes sense if you're going down the Kas romance route (I'm on the purge all in holy fire route). And that first sex scene where they make a big deal that she orgasms coffee just makes me laugh. Clearly the writers at that point had never had sex.

To add to that: Anno is also a vendor. She doesn't just suck your dick from time to time, she brings practical gameplay benefits.
Which is leagues above Cait just being there all useless.

Always disliked Anno (as a sex partner), and not for the sluttery. In TiTS everyone is sleeping with everyone, that's just the setting, but Anno being so obviously damaged and desperate for Steel's dad made me physically recoil. I'm not sure what Japanese "dere" trope she falls into, but the fact she's only with Steel because they're the closest she'll get to being with their dad again, the fact that Victor basically exiled her as far away from him as possible and so literally threw her on the trash planet, and that you meet multiple people who go "Wait, you mean you're with Victor's kid?" often with them pulling a face, all add up to a very sick person in need of help. Anno needs therapy, is what I'm saying, and not the sexual kind either.

IDK about recently but when I was there and the temple dropped she got more divisive as time went on and the temple became one of those things where people would try to shut down talking about the grooming. Someone even tried to defend and downplay that shit too.

Normally I'd say "we listen and we don't judge" but my sibling in smut, what the fuck. Going back to find this really put in perspective how little progress there has been.

"It's not grooming! Stop saying that! They just raise kids with the express intent to make them do sex stuff for money! Bans! Bans all round! Do not bismirch Sav's personal gr- I mean, sex cult fetish!"

 

[Pizza Lord]

His name is "Remove Content Button".

If I recall, Knife-wielding Crab wrote a whole expac for him, named him Tykris or something, where he explains Kasyrra cursed him after meeting him and having mind-blowing sex to where he couldn't cum anymore unless she was touching him, which is why he's always begging to get off. I think maybe I floated the idea that she was going to tease and corrupt him because she'd be the only one that could pop his cork anymore, but Champ comes along, and he/she obviously can get him off, and the idea was that Champ's soul had been mingled with Kasyrra's essence from the portal blast, which is why he could do it.

Then you could look into either corrupting him or helping him cure it. And you'd either speak with Kasyrra (if on friendly terms) or Sanders or Ivris (I can't recall). And you either taint him with some incubus cum and eventually he gets more corrupt and tainted (I can't recall if he went full demon) or gets better.

 

[Pandect]

IDK about recently but when I was there and the temple dropped she got more divisive as time went on and the temple became one of those things where people would try to shut down talking about the grooming. Someone even tried to defend and downplay that shit too.

Normally I'd say "we listen and we don't judge" but my sibling in smut, what the fuck. Going back to find this really put in perspective how little progress there has been.

Isn't this just a form of slavery then?

 

[Bluebird42]

It seems pretty obvious he didn't care about actually connecting CoC2 to the first game, he just slapped the name on for a popularity boost. He's even said he doesn't like writing for transformations and corruption, so why would he claim to make the sequel to a tf/corruption game? If it wasn't for the CoC name, nobody would've cared about the game at all. It's just a showcase for savin and friends' favourite OCs.

Originally, there were many more plans to tie coc2 to coc1! I know of a couple off the top of my head:
•There were plans for save imports that would effect how coc2 progressed
•There was originally going to be the option between choosing to follow Keros & the Kitsune and Taoth & his people. This got axed fairly early due to the sheer amount of writing needed to reach content parity with the Den (over 1 million words)

Next year is a very generous estimate. At this rate it'll be two more years minimum until the final undermountain quest is complete.

Savin just hit ~200 pages regarding the last KM MSQ Dungeon, and outsourced most/all of the sex stuff to staff, so it should be completed much faster this go around

Wait Hana is a self insert? Well there goes any thoughts of that dick ever being gone. One of the few characters I've bothered to engage with and thought were cool. But huh.... suppose the backstory makes sense now. But I just wonder something. Do people who self insert like this. Get off to the idea of their stand-in character potentially getting fucked?

She's not lol. He just likes red headed dickgirls. There isn't a true self insert for Savin in the game, but the closest would be Cassidy the Water Bard, which is an iteration of his catboy