Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.15] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Sacred_Lamb]

Spoiler: Netflix usually fucks up so I'm glad they didn't

Not bad at all, incest is wincest? What is this Oriemo?!

 

[CrimsonSongbird1982]

Badz, isn't that lap sex? Seriously, had me scouring the net for beginners first intimate sex position, are we serious right now?

Hence why I couldn't understand your confusion. I said sitting like a hundred times and used the term mating press to describe the closeness of the bodies and intensity of the fuck, it was never that deep. Now just imagine the red stick person is a Dullahan and holding their head in front of their coochie and that's what's getting plowed. Now that I type it out it's kinky but Atugia would have to wash her hair so much afterwards.

Next, you’re going to tell me hand-holding counts as mutual masturbation.

Is it not? Are you telling me my southern US sex ed classes lied to me?

Just like Griffith, Ryo was also malding when his non boyfriend liked a girl better than him

There are only two things a twink fears: Their crush entering a relationship, and twink death.

"Cait the corrupted lupines broke my legs and are about to rape me!"
"Cait it hurts so much!, I'm dying here with my broken legs!"
"Oh god Cait they are rubbing their smelly cocks all over my broken legs!, this is horrible Cait this is worse than the time we were stuck at Starhome and had to work cleaning fish guts to pay for the carriage ticket back home!
"They're calling me their bend leg whore!, please make it stop!"

Meanwhile Cait

It was all consensual

"Dammit I can't believe I tripped mid fight and lost all my health. At least my capable and battle hardened friends can carry the fight while I lay here and bleed out."

Cait meanwhile is losing her anal virginity for tenth time today and Brienne stripped and hit the Jack-O pose before I even hit the ground.

Me when I lost to the evil and intimidating lesbian couple that are sometimes futa, but they're more interested in the annoying cat girl following me:

What is this Oriemo?!

Is Oriemo better or worse than Usagi Drop though?

Can we call a wellness check on the manga industry? I feel like for every amazing anime there's twenty more released that serve as a red flag and make their authors look like their hard drives need checking.

 

[MagnaSonic3000]

I admit, sometimes going to the forums to laugh at those guys circlejerking eachother is plenty entertaining.
Also, performative ally being a performative ally:

Spoiler: This guy is really desperate for brownie points

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Pack it up, boys. Bimbos are now "too fucked up" for a game supposedly all about corruption.

You know it's either cock related conversion therapy or it's the gas chamber lady take your pick.

 

[gembunny]

Snippity snip about Liaden

I can't remember but I swear Savin also threatened to ban me for defending the Hugs/Berry fiasco too or at least was itching towards doing so, since I was a sorta loud protester against how they treated the character's writer as I felt it was fucked up imo, which Savin didn't like bc ig he wanted the narrative about that to be all on his side so I wouldn't be surprised if I was on his shitlist to some extent with how he responded to me then. so I basically fucked off for a while and outside popping in I just lurk there. (I am that idiot bitch in the ss btw, not using the alias here for obvs reasons. Hi.)

Plus now that I see you guys explaining it it was stupid to point out in the context of corruption (the game's theme, or what is supposed to be after all, honestly it's hard to know anymore given they've rejected other stuff that could fall into corruptive (CoughLiulfrCough)), tho given what I saw I don't think it was ever spoken in that context, so it gave offputting vibes personally as someone who's sapphic myself I deal with a lot of erasure in fiction and whatnot so I get irked by the notion bc I take shit too seriously ig. But was probably not intentional yeah, insert foot in mouth and I deserve the hazing for that. (Honestly it's very easy to forget Skow is a transwoman + I believe lesbian too bc I am barely in that community nowadays and they're not really on the forums, so it's been a long fucking time since I remembered that abt them.)

 

[CrimsonSongbird1982]

I can't remember but I swear Savin also threatened to ban me for defending the Hugs/Berry fiasco too or at least was itching towards doing so, since I was a sorta loud protester against how they treated the character's writer as I felt it was fucked up imo, which Savin didn't like bc ig he wanted the narrative about that to be all on his side so I wouldn't be surprised if I was on his shitlist to some extent with how he responded to me then. so I basically fucked off for a while and outside popping in I just lurk there. (I am that idiot bitch in the ss btw, not using the alias here for obvs reasons. Hi.)

Holy shit what up it's been years. Real talk Savin was such an ass and he didn't need to be. He seemed to get episodes where he acted like he wanted to ban people when no one sided with him. The Hugs/Berry thing was so poorly handled. I put my thoughts down earlier but ultimately I think they were both asses who couldn't see their own faults. I remember you occasionally liking comments while lurking. Guess if you wanna post there you still gotta play ball with Savin even if the official forum is kinda slow now. In the interest of disclosure I was Wint3rRyd3r. Dunno if you remember me. My thoughts have obviously gotten more negative or changed since many years ago. I feel old now.

Plus now that I see you guys explaining it it was stupid to point out in the context of corruption (the game's theme, or what is supposed to be after all, honestly it's hard to know anymore given they've rejected other stuff that could fall into corruptive (CoughLiulfrCough)), tho given what I saw I don't think it was ever spoken in that context, so it gave offputting vibes personally as someone who's sapphic myself I deal with a lot of erasure in fiction and whatnot so I get irked by the notion bc I take shit too seriously ig. But was probably not intentional yeah, insert foot in mouth and I deserve the hazing for that. (Honestly it's very easy to forget Skow is a transwoman + I believe lesbian too bc I am barely in that community nowadays and they're not really on the forums, so it's been a long fucking time since I remembered that abt them.)

For what it's worth I do understand why you'd have that view and interpretation. There was literally that guy in the comments of the release being weird and, as a queer transwoman in the US who grew up in the south, I get being less charitable in readings of media. I didn't know for sure Skow is trans until recently.

it's the gas chamber lady take your pick.

 

[Teshay]

Let me be evil

It was the illusion of choice all along. Corrupted options in this game are half-assed at best and unfinished at worst. Not to mention they have no impact on our surroundings which would have been fucking cool and actually interesting. But it was all really just hand-waved and usually just denied you access to more content you would get on the pure path. I'm disgusted with just how lazy corruption is handled. You don't do shit to Ahmri or Eveyln and they are corrupted off screen. They literally handle corruption like playing easy baby mode on fucking Doom. They are so scared of their creations and lore being gritty and interesting that they erase or ignore any type of implications the world has. Like I don't care that Mallach is grooming kids or that the Kitsune were killing the Wlyd and fucking over the elves. Like that offers alot of interactivity and morality for the champ and the world. Being able to choose your own factions and decide why you choose them. Siding with the kitsune could be as simple as you simply wanting to protect your child-abusive wife and estranged daughter. And while Etheryn is your friend and feels indebted to you, she can only excuse your action to a extend until civil unrest begans to rise. Yeah you saved the city but you also allied with those chi-addicted fox bitches who actions lead to their decline in the first place. If it wasn't for them, they might have been better prepared against Kas, the old gods could have warn the druids or something. Even if the elves perspectives on the foxes are biased and based on hatred, that makes them even more believable and I dare say...interesting. Corruption of Champions was always something of a dark fantasy setting. In the first game you do what you did for the sake of survival or your own morality. You could be a brutal crusader of demons due to your encounter with the imp bat the begginning or the revelation told to you by the Omnibus. You could be a person who gets to live out their darkest desires in a world that pratically feels made for them, slowly gaining power and influence (not that you do this in the game but it really strokes your imagination and lets your role-play your fantasies without slapping your hand or dumbing down what you are doing).

But they are cowards who want everything to be safe or edge without any real meaning or impact( Like Gweyr, for example. A perfectly good waste of a possible corruption option. You can even get her to go back to hawkethrone because no-one really cares anymore, except for a named npc). Like this game has half-assed so much that it's nonsensical. They don't want you to corrupt others and feel it is wrong and cruel, but have enemies and npcs treat you like sex object more than a living being. Not to mention how brutal and cruel they can be to you. Corruption is being done off-screen to not trigger (I'm joking, it's clear they are being lazy and would just use this as a excuse)

They have latched onto Liaden only because she was explicitly called a lesbian by the devs. They don't give a singular fuck about other characters getting their gender and sexuality violated and/or changed by force.
It's been showing the most glaringly in the recent argument in the gripe thread, where they were jumping through increasingly elaborate hoops in logic, to explain why Champion has no right to have a sexual preference, and how it's actually good for Champ to be on the receiving end of the all the sexual assaults.

It's clear they are defending their kinks or just ass-slurping Savin. The game could easily go either two ways about defeats. They can be the actual safe space they respect your preferences and give someone your into to fuck you (Which is alot of work. Personally i'd be fine with losing if that got a bunch of the super strong minotaurs/demons dude to 'forcibly' worship my cock, balls, and body) or just a scene where they take some of your shit and leave. Then they could just be like, "Yeah this is rape and they don't give a shit about your preference and write it in a way that supports it. They don't have to do it all graphic and traumatizing like. Even if you feel some pleasure in the end, it was still against your will. They might have to change abit more about the lore. But the right of conquest is better than them killing you and if you aren't strong enough to venture out on your own, you should have hired some mercenaries to back you up. Only the strong can move around freely in the land you live in. Which is why people here are so much more tougher than others outside of it. They are constantly tested by other races and nature alike.


See savin lurkers,we are not just hating on the game for hatred sake. We are given constructive critism and offering alternatives. And yes you could say:"If it bothers you so much why don't you write it for the game?" Well, for me and others to do that we have to be sure it would get approved or have a decent chance of being approved, but sence we know the track record of that...eeeeeh. Not to mention we aren't going to be paid to put in content that should have been in the game in the first place. I don't want to rack by brain making interesting characters only for them to be changed in ways I don't like or care for.

No writer or Author should ever be free from criticism and opinion, that's how they grow. If you stop watering a plant it stagnates until it dies. If you water it too much it will die from being over-fed and drowned. What Savin did was stupid, he shouldn't have taken part in a game where he hates one of the main aspects of it and wasn't willing to pay people to do that for him. It is very clear to me that alot of inspiration for this game and npcs most likely comes from him playing Hopepunk table-tops with no real stakes. I have a great dm who empowers us as players but also challenges us constantly with combat.Our choices matter and have long-reaching ramifications for the future. One of my fellow players hard focused on romances a character he liked at the expense of helping his own village, his friendship with the party, and some of his sanity only for him not not only get rejected by the npc, hurt the trust his party had in him, and his village is most defintely a ghost town now for whatever might have happened to them.

That shit is great! I'm getting off topic, but player agency is a must for these types of games. Unless they have a groundbreaking porn and story.

Everyone who seems unreasonably hateful really, REALLY wants this game to live up to its potential and the promises made before it got big. If you are truly a person of free thought, you would atleast try to see it from someone elses perspective instead of mindlessly defending someone simply because you like Savin and co or just didn't like the content. I mean, I HATE submissive shit and characters even hinting at wanting to dick me because I'm the Dickler in my fantasies. But would that mean I would be happy that context got removed? Hell no, people are right to be pleased when someone promised to them is taken away from them.

 

[MoneyMan181]

There are only two things a twink fears: Their crush entering a relationship, and twink death.

Jokes on you, I have surpassed these petty fears. A friend told me I could just be like George Takei and be a grey haired twink that ages gracefully. And if my crush enters a relationship with anybody that isn't me, she obviously has shit taste and does not deserve my attention.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to find my behelit in order to ruin things for everybody else and uphold twink reputation thank you very much.

as someone who's sapphic myself I deal with a lot of erasure in fiction and whatnot so I get irked by the notion bc I take shit too seriously ig.

While I'm not in your position so I don't quite understand things from your POV, I've never really understood why people get upset at something that's obviously created just to goon to. Or at least to the point of voicing displeasure about it. Because like it's never gonna amount to anything, people are gonna get off to what they want and there's not really much you can do about it. Like I absolutely despise race-play and think it is genuinely harmful to any ethnicity depicted no matter the light, but I mean what can I really do about it? Cry about it on a forum? Sure but nobody's gonna give a shit. So I just learned to deal with it when I see and try to ignore it.

I also find these kinds of situations a bit strange because things like "Lesbian woman mostly interested in woman their whole life tries dick for the first time" are lambasted a fair amount but when it's the other way around nobody bats an eye from what I've seen. Not trying to assign morality or anything, just something I've noticed and decided to yap about.

 

[Pandect]

Badz, isn't that lap sex? Seriously, had me scouring the net for beginners first intimate sex position, are we serious right now? Next, you’re going to tell me hand-holding counts as mutual masturbation.

It looks like it's just a lotus position.

 

[Jbuster]

Not bad at all, incest is wincest? What is this Oriemo?!

I'm writing Kinu as a mama's girl, tobs be willing, that girl shall have a proper maternal figure through the power of anime

Hence why I couldn't understand your confusion. I said sitting like a hundred times and used the term mating press to describe the closeness of the bodies and intensity of the fuck, it was never that deep. Now just imagine the red stick person is a Dullahan and holding their head in front of their coochie and that's what's getting plowed. Now that I type it out it's kinky but Atugia would have to wash her hair so much afterwards.


Is it not? Are you telling me my southern US sex ed classes lied to me?


There are only two things a twink fears: Their crush entering a relationship, and twink death.


"Dammit I can't believe I tripped mid fight and lost all my health. At least my capable and battle hardened friends can carry the fight while I lay here and bleed out."

Cait meanwhile is losing her anal virginity for tenth time today and Brienne stripped and hit the Jack-O pose before I even hit the ground.

Me when I lost to the evil and intimidating lesbian couple that are sometimes futa, but they're more interested in the annoying cat girl following me:
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Is Oriemo better or worse than Usagi Drop though?

Can we call a wellness check on the manga industry? I feel like for every amazing anime there's twenty more released that serve as a red flag and make their authors look like their hard drives need checking.

At a tender age I was blessed/cursed with the exotic constitution of an ugly bastard so I have no idea how the twinks deal with the loss of their beauty

I don't know the in game reason for my allies to surrender when I die, like, there's a manual option right there so I could go on while passed out, right?, it's so stupid...

Remember that samurai anime about "killing bad" that everyone loved and was just super famous?, I wonder what happened with that

but player agency is a must for these types of games. Unless they have a groundbreaking porn and story.

This is a pretty solid take, I wouldn't mind of the stuff going on if the main premise was just that, your character is out there to be fucked, degrees of lewdity does it and that works

Here I'm supposed to have the option for a more active rol, and even if almost no one played for the evil choice, the charm was in having it

 

[MagnaSonic3000]

Corruption of Champions was always something of a dark fantasy setting. In the first game you do what you did for the sake of survival or your own morality.

I haven't played in forever, but I know the original game had actual death. You could just rip off an imp's skull I think after you beat him. The original wasn't super gory, but you could kill.

 

[GS21]

I haven't played in forever, but I know the original game had actual death. You could just rip off an imp's skull I think after you beat him. The original wasn't super gory, but you could kill.

The notion still exists vaguely in this game, though it only applies to demons. Off the top of my head I can think of the imps, centaurs, Sandre&Caera, and Alissa.
The rest of the world though is seen through rose-tinted glasses. The lack of corruption content is the biggest example. It doesn't help that the mindless drones keep yelling bloody murder at the mere mention of introducing any form of moral adversity. I think we should be able to explore the option of killing genuinely evil individuals like Jael'yn or even vaguely evil ones like Farrah, as I think that would allow for interesting interactions from NPCs and companions that are supposedly not one-dimensional dildos/onaholes. One example would be Cait's "demons" dialogue, where she calls you out for embracing Kasyrra post WinterCity, which is a small detail I enjoyed a lot, since it shows that your actions are actually noted to some extent.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

I don't know the in game reason for my allies to surrender when I die, like, there's a manual option right there so I could go on while passed out, right?, it's so stupid...

My guess is that they just mindlessly copied this mechanic from SMT Nocturne. Why? Because Savin felt particularly edgy that day.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Hence why I couldn't understand your confusion. I said sitting like a hundred times and used the term mating press to describe the closeness of the bodies and intensity of the fuck, it was never that deep.

If I could reach through screen....I'd sell u to the Cartel and watch as some ugly cartel bastard prolapse your ass.
"Place her head in front of her vagina and have her perform oral in a vertical mating press like position," how does this say lap sex? Someone tell me I'm not tweaking.

Now just imagine the red stick person is a Dullahan and holding their head in front of their coochie and that's what's getting plowed. Now that I type it out it's kinky but Atugia would have to wash her hair so much afterwards.

Sounds doable until u remember she's going to be smushed up against a pair of bellies. All out of breath, covered sweat, and cum stained. Mhmm...it could work.

Is it not? Are you telling me my southern US sex ed classes lied to me

Degenerate education. What's next, cowgirl counts as riding sport?

Usagi Drop is funny asf, reminds me of Daily life of High school boys.
But big facts a lot those guys need to get checked. Pretty sure cheese pizza is rampant in Japan.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

It was the illusion of choice all along. Corrupted options in this game are half-assed at best and unfinished at worst. Not to mention they have no impact on our surroundings which would have been fucking cool and actually interesting. But it was all really just hand-waved and usually just denied you access to more content you would get on the pure path. I'm disgusted with just how lazy corruption is handled. You don't do shit to Ahmri or Eveyln and they are corrupted off screen. They literally handle corruption like playing easy baby mode on fucking Doom. They are so scared of their creations and lore being gritty and interesting that they erase or ignore any type of implications the world has. Like I don't care that Mallach is grooming kids or that the Kitsune were killing the Wlyd and fucking over the elves. Like that offers alot of interactivity and morality for the champ and the world. Being able to choose your own factions and decide why you choose them. Siding with the kitsune could be as simple as you simply wanting to protect your child-abusive wife and estranged daughter. And while Etheryn is your friend and feels indebted to you, she can only excuse your action to a extend until civil unrest begans to rise. Yeah you saved the city but you also allied with those chi-addicted fox bitches who actions lead to their decline in the first place. If it wasn't for them, they might have been better prepared against Kas, the old gods could have warn the druids or something. Even if the elves perspectives on the foxes are biased and based on hatred, that makes them even more believable and I dare say...interesting. Corruption of Champions was always something of a dark fantasy setting. In the first game you do what you did for the sake of survival or your own morality. You could be a brutal crusader of demons due to your encounter with the imp bat the begginning or the revelation told to you by the Omnibus. You could be a person who gets to live out their darkest desires in a world that pratically feels made for them, slowly gaining power and influence (not that you do this in the game but it really strokes your imagination and lets your role-play your fantasies without slapping your hand or dumbing down what you are doing).

But they are cowards who want everything to be safe or edge without any real meaning or impact( Like Gweyr, for example. A perfectly good waste of a possible corruption option. You can even get her to go back to hawkethrone because no-one really cares anymore, except for a named npc). Like this game has half-assed so much that it's nonsensical. They don't want you to corrupt others and feel it is wrong and cruel, but have enemies and npcs treat you like sex object more than a living being. Not to mention how brutal and cruel they can be to you. Corruption is being done off-screen to not trigger (I'm joking, it's clear they are being lazy and would just use this as a excuse)

It really sucks, but what can you do? They really seem to be just on that track and corruption just being in the background as a plot crutch. Its no longer a thing that affects the world actively that we the players can interact

I'm writing Kinu as a mama's girl, tobs be willing, that girl shall have a proper maternal figure through the power of anime

Writing good ends, I see. I'm gonna get around to writing Eubitch scene. I mean if I can't get to spank a uber slut, wats the point?

 

[FurrBat]

"Place her head in front of her vagina and have her perform oral in a vertical mating press like position," how does this say lap sex? Someone tell me I'm not tweaking.

Not gonna lie I too got confused when reading those descriptions, like my first thought was standing fuck where you hold her arms and ankles high up and fold her like a mating press.

 

[Tamsay]

I also find these kinds of situations a bit strange because things like "Lesbian woman mostly interested in woman their whole life tries dick for the first time" are lambasted a fair amount but when it's the other way around nobody bats an eye from what I've seen. Not trying to assign morality or anything, just something I've noticed and decided to yap about.

Ah... good old fetishizing of lesbians. Just reminds me how many "allies" are like that in this and many other situations.

Now as for gembunny's frustration about lesbian content? From my point of view it always felt like a lot of the deeper relationships are tied to having a dick/not really having much lesbian content (someone please correct me, I really am out of the loop)? But adding non-sapphic content to this is not the problem.

 

[Thisguy3]

Just finished that new hive rework quest and wow im amazed with even at my lowest of expectations, im actually shocked they removed the option to just kick both Azzy and Laiden into the honey pit for fun. In a games world where rape and forced transformation is considered a handshake and a hug, Laiden being bimbofied and taking penis consentually was just a step too far.

I can hear the stupid reason for the change now "its like litteraly conversion therapy, a lesbian character being transformed against her will is just icky morally." To which i say what about the dozens upon dozens of instances of the player character losing and being forced out of their comfort zone, what about their consent? Where's their insurance?Also yeah its icky morally, its a evil CHOICE. Ooooh there's that scary word the devs hate. Choice.

For a game all about corruption it seems like theres hadly any corruption at all, at least not for the us the player to do. Every demon character no matter how morally rephrensible they may be, your somehow the bad guy for wanting to kill them "Player character, you cant just kill the lesbian demons that are pushing in babies soft spots in for fun. They're pretty chill." Cait said as she licking some dry cum off the floor. "You should invite them into your little fort and have them spread the corruption we're trying to stop."

Honestly im just gonna close my mind to this plot and just interact with the femboy characters. Thats all this games good for really.

 

[ExcitedTengu]

Honestly im just gonna close my mind to this plot and just interact with the femboy characters. Thats all this games good for really.

Yeah the main way to enjoy this game seems to keep sliding into "find the specific thing you are into."

 

[Jbuster]

Not gonna lie I too got confused when reading those descriptions, like my first thought was standing fuck where you hold her arms and ankles high up and fold her like a mating press.

You have to conceptualize sex in the way Yujiro Hanma explains it, as struggle and domination

Spoiler: In other words insane and deadly shit but sexual

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The notion still exists vaguely in this game, though it only applies to demons. Off the top of my head I can think of the imps, centaurs, Sandre&Caera, and Alissa.
The rest of the world though is seen through rose-tinted glasses. The lack of corruption content is the biggest example. It doesn't help that the mindless drones keep yelling bloody murder at the mere mention of introducing any form of moral adversity. I think we should be able to explore the option of killing genuinely evil individuals like Jael'yn or even vaguely evil ones like Farrah, as I think that would allow for interesting interactions from NPCs and companions that are supposedly not one-dimensional dildos/onaholes. One example would be Cait's "demons" dialogue, where she calls you out for embracing Kasyrra post WinterCity, which is a small detail I enjoyed a lot, since it shows that your actions are actually noted to some extent.

Evil and corruption being limited to how much of a slut the pc and those around them are allowed to be feels like loss potential, because the regular/good can be already a massive slut without anything demonic going by

Honestly I would love for an option to enslave the demons while roleplaying as a good champion, only because it would add a little bit of grey there (don't wanna kill them because killing bad, but also don't wanna let them do evil), the champion being allowed to do something not so good against bad people, a way to keep them from corrupting others that works because demons can be subjugated through violence, but I guess enslaving others feels too evil and corrupt so that's a big no no for the corruption game

My guess is that they just mindlessly copied this mechanic from SMT Nocturne. Why? Because Savin felt particularly edgy that day.

Savin doing something out of boredom/edgyness/hornyness?, perish the thought!, he would never expose us to poor writing nor silly ideas that go nowhere, not while Tobs remains vigilant as his top guy

 

[vablcm]

Hi,
Can you give consumables like the pink egg to companions? If yes, how?