Could a gender-reversed [Summer Memories] game work?

[HeathenFilth]

So, as a concept, could a game like Summer Memories work but with a girl main character instead "coming of age" (or, you know, coming into her sexuality) with boys & men instead?

Let me hear your thoughts. In my example the main character is pretty much the driver of exploring her own sexuality and is actively 'encouraging' people around her to help them pleasure her. Would that work with a girl protagonist as well? It's a slightly different dynamic and I don't know how it would translate over beat-for-beat. It would probably get a slight yandere vibe if she did the same stuff that the main character is Summer Memories get away with (which isn't necessarily a negative).

What would a game like this look like for you?

 

[Meaning Less]

It would be an otome game in this case, which is a game targeted towards women. Since the focus won't be on the protagonist but on the men she is going after.

Games like that are usually harder to come by especially in the west, but they do work and I wouldn't mind seeing more of them.

 

[CaptainBipto]

So, as a concept, could a game like Summer Memories work but with a girl main character instead "coming of age" (or, you know, coming into her sexuality) with boys & men instead?

Let me hear your thoughts. In my example the main character is pretty much the driver of exploring her own sexuality and is actively 'encouraging' people around her to help them pleasure her. Would that work with a girl protagonist as well? It's a slightly different dynamic and I don't know how it would translate over beat-for-beat. It would probably get a slight yandere vibe if she did the same stuff that the main character is Summer Memories get away with (which isn't necessarily a negative).

What would a game like this look like for you?

So, instead of a dude collecting a harem of sluts to service his needs, it would be a chick collecting a stable of studs to service her needs? I don't see the problem with this. It would actually be a nice change from all the male protag harem games floating around here.
The only thing that would be an idea killer to me, would be if the studs were all acting like creepy, pedo, freaks, trying to molest and harass her at every turn, 'training' her in new experiences, instead of her initiating actions with them to experiment with new things.

 

[HeathenFilth]

So, instead of a dude collecting a harem of sluts to service his needs, it would be a chick collecting a stable of studs to service her needs? I don't see the problem with this. It would actually be a nice change from all the male protag harem games floating around here.
The only thing that would be an idea killer to me, would be if the studs were all acting like creepy, pedo, freaks, trying to molest and harass her at every turn, 'training' her in new experiences, instead of her initiating actions with them to experiment with new things.

No, I agree. The theme is about sexual exploration, not "corruption". This would definitely be a non-harassment, non-ugly bastard sim. It would very much require the male roles in the game to be more into exploration than self-satisfaction. Also I wonder if there should be choice of other girls/women to develop with since bi-curiosity seems to be more common in younger women than men. Or at least have an older woman, aunt-type, who would intentionally, or unintentionally, expose the MC to new ideas.

A direct comparison to difference of my opening example: In Summer Memories the MC wakes up in the middle of the night catching the aunt and uncle having sex that leaves that aunt dissatisfied leading the MC to develop a longing for figuring out how to please her instead. The MC in this hypothetical game would instead wake up to an aunt having sex at night but clearly enjoying herself leading the MC to wonder what it would feel like to experience that for herself.

 

[Living In A Lewd World]

Girls "coming of age"ç exploring their sexuality doing progressively lewder and lewder things is actually a quite common game design. The most prominent example for this is the unfortunately abandoned "Project Sage" and the one, which is most developed, I see right now is "Coming of Age". There are still others like "Primal desire", "The Beauty and the Thug" and the abandoned "Arizona unbridled" which I know have explored this before. I'm personally constantly watching out for a game with the story-telling-ability of the second "Project-Sage"-Game. It has not to be that much branching, but to work with the same believability. Amys exploration in the second version has a pleasant slowness of pace and sexuality is not introduced to her by force. But the game points nevertheless directly in direction of the escalation of lewdity showing her doing incremently lewder acts and is thus quite nice.

 

[HeathenFilth]

Girls "coming of age"ç exploring their sexuality doing progressively lewder and lewder things is actually a quite common game design. The most prominent example for this is the unfortunately abandoned "Project Sage" and the one, which is most developed, I see right now is "Coming of Age". There are still others like "Primal desire", "The Beauty and the Thug" and the abandoned "Arizona unbridled" which I know have explored this before. I'm personally constantly watching out for a game with the story-telling-ability of the second "Project-Sage"-Game. It has not to be that much branching, but to work with the same believability. Amys exploration in the second version has a pleasant slowness of pace and sexuality is not introduced to her by force. But the game points nevertheless directly in direction of the escalation of lewdity showing her doing incremently lewder acts and is thus quite nice.

> tag: [corruption]

This was what I was trying to avoid. I really don't like the concept of a woman coming into sexuality being tied to be being 'spoiled' or 'ruined'. The stigmatisation of women liking sex, or discovering that they enjoy sex, is a massive negative in my mind. When I see sentences in the description like: "what will it cost her to get what she wants?" or "will she be able to remain pure or will she fall victim to her desires" I gag.

 

[CaptainBipto]

No, I agree. The theme is about sexual exploration, not "corruption". This would definitely be a non-harassment, non-ugly bastard sim. It would very much require the male roles in the game to be more into exploration than self-satisfaction.

Good Sir, may the gods reach out and caress you (Consensually) with many good fortunes.

Also I wonder if there should be choice of other girls/women to develop with since bi-curiosity seems to be more common in younger women than men. Or at least have an older woman, aunt-type, who would intentionally, or unintentionally, expose the MC to new ideas.

Ehhh.
If it is a good game, it doesn't NEED to have some kind of lesbian interaction in it. I never played that game you mention, but it doesn't have any lesbian or gay tags and the game seems to be highly rated anyways.
If you can find a way to interweave a bi-curious/lesbian interaction into the story you are telling, without it feeling shoe horned in, it could be a bonus for the game. But adding it in, 'just because', is probably the wrong way to do it.

A direct comparison to difference of my opening example: In Summer Memories the MC wakes up in the middle of the night catching the aunt and uncle having sex that leaves that aunt dissatisfied leading the MC to develop a longing for figuring out how to please her instead. The MC in this hypothetical game would instead wake up to an aunt having sex at night but clearly enjoying herself leading the MC to wonder what it would feel like to experience that for herself.

Well, you wouldn't have to copy that scenario exactly. It could be that the MC stumbles upon the mom/dad/aunt/uncle having a quickie in the backyard/kitchen/broom closet or 'the next door neighbors' that left the curtains open or were having some 'naughty time' at the (conveniently placed) backyard pool.

 

[HeathenFilth]

Good Sir, may the gods reach out and caress you (Consensually) with many good fortunes.

Ah, thank you.

Ehhh.
If it is a good game, it doesn't NEED to have some kind of lesbian interaction in it. I never played that game you mention, but it doesn't have any lesbian or gay tags and the game seems to be highly rated anyways.
If you can find a way to interweave a bi-curious/lesbian interaction into the story you are telling, without it feeling shoe horned in, it could be a bonus for the game. But adding it in, 'just because', is probably the wrong way to do it.

I absolutely agree. First we should justify why it should be there and what it would contribute before discussing implementation just to fill out a tick-box of tags. Still if someone could write up a very compelling reason for such a character to exist and why the MC would be drawn to them (or vice versa) it could turn out very good.

Well, you wouldn't have to copy that scenario exactly. It could be that the MC stumbles upon the mom/dad/aunt/uncle having a quickie in the backyard/kitchen/broom closet or 'the next door neighbors' that left the curtains open or were having some 'naughty time' at the (conveniently placed) backyard pool.

Of course. I didn't mean to say I'd be interested in a 1:1 copy of the source material. I was just setting up an example for what starts the events of the game. I really like your examples too!

 

[Living In A Lewd World]

> tag: [corruption]

This was what I was trying to avoid. I really don't like the concept of a woman coming into sexuality being tied to be being 'spoiled' or 'ruined'. The stigmatisation of women liking sex, or discovering that they enjoy sex, is a massive negative in my mind. When I see sentences in the description like: "what will it cost her to get what she wants?" or "will she be able to remain pure or will she fall victim to her desires" I gag.

I think, the "corruption"-tag would be applied to almost any game, where you show the process of a person developing her sexuality here on f95zone. Just because, there is no tag which would describe such a development sufficient otherwise.
The description of the second Project Sage even reads for instance:
"The story is about an independent young girl who decides to move to another country to start a new life after losing her family. Slowly, she discovers herself, her heritage and her destiny." (Project Sage), what should point quite in the direction you want to explore. But it is really an outstanding game in this regard, as the development of the protagonist is very well written (in the second version, there is also a first version, which was not my kind of business regarding the character development).
The other games, I wrote might be actually be not that much to your likening. I'm not that sure about that. They are still very vanilla in this regard, compared to many other fem-protag-"coming-of-age" games here on f95.

 

[HeathenFilth]

I think, the "corruption"-tag would be applied to almost any game, where you show the process of a person developing her sexuality here on f95zone. Just because, there is no tag which would describe such a development sufficient otherwise.
The description of the second Project Sage even reads for instance:

So, it seems like there a mismatch between the conventional use of the "corruption" tag and what I would define as "corruption". That makes finding games along what I am describing hard if all instances of developing female sexuality gets the same tag regardless if it is brought on by exploration/discovery or exploitation/rape.

 

[Living In A Lewd World]

So, it seems like there a mismatch between the conventional use of the "corruption" tag and what I would define as "corruption". That makes finding games along what I am describing hard if all instances of developing female sexuality gets the same tag regardless if it is brought on by exploration/discovery or exploitation/rape.

Yeah, I personally can only recommend to search for "corruption"-games and then read the description. And mostly avoid the "rape"-tag. As I have by now seen no good game with these Tag.
You may also be careful with "Groping" and "Blackmail". But still, if you avoid the last two, you would never find a game like "Good girls gone bad", which is as far as I know currently seen as one of the best sexual positive female-protagonist development-game, as your decision process is so broad, that you finally can become everything from a "normal married person" over "Pornstar" to "Heroine-Addict". I just didn't play it that much, as I'm not that much into the 2dcg-graphics.

 

[HeathenFilth]

Yeah, I personally can only recommend to search for "corruption"-games and then read the description. And mostly avoid the "rape"-tag. As I have by now seen no good game with these Tag.
You may also be careful with "Groping" and "Blackmail". But still, if you avoid the last two, you would never find a game like "Good girls gone bad", which is as far as I know currently seen as one of the best sexual positive female-protagonist development-game, as your decision process is so broad, that you finally can become everything from a "normal married person" over "Pornstar" to "Heroine-Addict". I just didn't play it that much, as I'm not that much into the 2dcg-graphics.

Thanks for the tips!

 

[trektant]

What would a game like this look like for you?

Depends. Summer Memories was very much a degrading experience with the characters gradually losing interest in anything besides sex and piss, annoyingly enough. Reversing the exact scenario would involve a too young girl for one. Then there's the fact that it'd be so very boring to play a prim and proper girl seducing the men of the house.

You say you don't like the literal sexual corruption of women but following along SM, that's exactly what would happen here. Sleeping around is dirty and tacky, even for men, although our smaller ties to kids lessens the meaning. Changing this perspective is either corruption or fantasy, and the latter can easily get boring if you make sex so meaningless.

My preference for something similar would essentially be Girl Life but cutting out excessive characters/mechanics and focusing on a smaller, more interactive scale rather than a bunch of random short stories with strangers. Dunno about you guys, but if I'm playing as the objective, she'd better have some interesting things to do.

 

[HeathenFilth]

You say you don't like the literal sexual corruption of women but following along SM, that's exactly what would happen here. Sleeping around is dirty and tacky, even for men, although our smaller ties to kids lessens the meaning. Changing this perspective is either corruption or fantasy, and the latter can easily get boring if you make sex so meaningless.

I didn't mean copy the character's journey beat-for-beat. Nor did I imply that the boy in SM isn't degenerating into a lust crazy little shit. I haven't finished SM yet but from what I've played so far it is missing the romance that I want to see in my eroges. I'm still currently playing through it going for the different endings. I'm more interested in the set-up that the first part of the game delivers not the end-game. I am not interested in making entire knock-offs.