CREATIVE IDEA discussions- THREAD 1

[kaikopaiko]

About me and my inital thougs on AVNs-
Hello guys, I'm a fellow AVN player. I have been palying many big titles since past 2 years. However at this point every story seems to be boring and repetitive at this point for me, currently I'm studying and looking for a job but I have planned on becoming an AVN Game developer in coming 6 years. I have been learning artwork since last month, and am focusing on fundamentals and for coding I am learning JAVA currently . I was heavily inspired by Summertime Saga it's artwork, story, animation scenes, gameplay everything sat perfect to me, I'm very much inspired by the artwork of that game. After playing 3D AVN like BAD, Once upon a lifetime, AWAM etc. I was in awe with 3D animation, but sometimes the animation felt janky, and less imaginative. I really liked NLT media stuff, TON, TGO and SOTS they are all perfect in terms of scenes and gameplay mechanics.

PROBLEM - Creating a Creative/Out of the World story

Since past few months, I have been writing numerous prompts and story ideas but none of them seems sitting right to me, one or the another way they all seems to be heavily influenced with other games, which I didn't like, for taking some inspiration and ideas I read some Literotica stories but that also didn't sit with me very well for now.
I'm in favor of all kinks and hardcore stuff but it needs to make sense with the character the MC is playing, I can'nt just make a overly alpha guy fuck his best friend mom, just because he has a big dick and he liked her curves, this makes the script very repetitive and boring for long time audience, I want to induce some next level creativity which isnt even heard of by someone by now thing in stories like in Lord of Rings worldbuilding.

One of the best ways I have found to do it is by mixing two absurd ideas together and creating an item or scene , like
-> a short and submissive guy who gets bullied a lot, founds a way to create a drink which can transform his physical attributes similar to an animal of his selection, this makes him dominant and confident all of a sudden, but the drink broke the physical laws of that world, and some higher dimension entity came into play to stop this. A highly alluring JLo type looking goddess, comes to take the source of invention (i.e. the book) drink from that guy. But the guy creates another item i.e. protection ring, which protects him with other worldy entities now the goddess needs to do the holy ritual of fucking the guy 10 times in 10 different positions in 10 different places to break the protection ring power. She enrolls as a teacher of History subject in the school. MC with the help of drink punishes his bullies and starts to impress and fuck other girls in the class. However after some time it is revealed that the book of demonic inventions is missing from the underworld and Lilith the queen of Underworld arranges a lookup party that consists of 3 bad mean bitch looking emo girls into this world. They found out about MC and went on to steal the book. But MC with his drink power, combines the animal power of lion and monkey and becomes something which is strong, agile, flexible and powerful and beats off all the demons he then locks them away in his basement room. MC later realizes that he can make sacrifices to create more powerful items, so one of the ritual is to
-> create an elephant dick shaped wooden dildo and pushing it inside a demon ass as demon anatomy is different demon will be able to take it all in, but the pleasure and pain meter should be handled properly, otherwise the demon could become more powerful and leave the ritual. After a while when the demon orgasms and is satiated, MC needs to fuck her in that state in a seductive position(which will be prementioned in the ritual page or you decide it on your own), after a human fucks the demon the demons horns, tail and wings will fell off and will start to look like human. the tail, horns and wings are powerful magic items which MC will use to make further cool items.
MC performs the ritual and the 3 demons are transformed into humans their personality is changed and they become the workers of MC's lair. So MC becomes corrupt due to the powers. He made one of the girl prostitute where any person from the town could fuck her in 50 or 150 coins, another one as a maid of his house, he used to fuck her in the ass every morning and third one was the most beautiful he used to make his pet dogs fuck her.
to be continued

 

[anne O'nymous]

Since past few months, I have been writing numerous prompts and story ideas but none of them seems sitting right to me, one or the another way they all seems to be heavily influenced with other games, which I didn't like, for taking some inspiration and ideas I read some Literotica stories but that also didn't sit with me very well for now.

Hmm... Because you don't want your own story to be influenced by already produced adult games' stories, you read adult literature where you hope to find your inspiration.
While it isn't counter productive, since it increase your pool of influence, the way you're saying it make it looks like you expect that your story will be a copycat of a Literotica story instead of a copycat of a game story.

As for the fact that your own story feel influenced by other games, welcome in the writers world. Every single story is influenced by what its writer have experienced, read, watched, heard, and played, before. The goal when you're a writer isn't to get rid of those influence, but to see them and keep the control over them.

I'm in favor of all kinks and hardcore stuff but it needs to make sense with the character the MC is playing, I can'nt just make a overly alpha guy fuck his best friend mom, just because he has a big dick and he liked her curves, this makes the script very repetitive and boring for long time audience, I want to induce some next level creativity which isnt even heard of by someone by now thing in stories like in Lord of Rings worldbuilding.

Two issues here.

Firstly you seem to works backward when it come to the story. The question isn't "how to make a story where there's sex", but "how to add sex into my story".
Take games like The DeLuca Family, Depraved Awakening, or The Intoxicating Flavor, by example and to only names three. Whatever if you like them or not, they all have a strong story that is clearly the core of the game. Then, on top of it come the lewd and sex. It's clear when playing those games, that the story is what matters and come first, and that the adult content is an addition to it.
And it's how you should think your own story; as something that exist and make sense even if you remove all the sex content.

What lead to the second issue...
You'll not be the one who "induce some next level creativity", because this level of creativity exist since more than 7 years. What mean that there's many games you haven't played (what is obvious seen the number of games available) and apparently it include all the games you should play to understand how to build your game the way you want it.

One of the best ways I have found to do it is by mixing two absurd ideas together and creating an item or scene , like

See what I said above?

You want to make a sex story, not a story with sex. And obviously, whatever you can find as idea, you'll always feel like you've played this before, because it's the pitfall in which most devs fall; ~80% of the adult games are built following that logic. It's also the premise for all porn movies, what just increase the déjà vu feeling.


Take your first "absurd idea" (that is clearly influence by a Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde) by example.
Instead of how you present it, the MC can be a science student with a weird chemistry teacher that push his students to experiment. MC then search a formula that would solve a problem that matters for him, but that isn't his problem. Something simple, like by example his best friend stuttering.
Starting there, you've two possibility. If the said best friend is a girl, the potion induce some submission, what the MC slowly understand. If the said best friend is a guy, the MC decide to test the potion on himself, to ensure that there's no side effect, and discover that there's side effect; a bigger dick, more charisma, some hypnotic capabilities, whatever.
The MC will then slowly turn into a pervert scientist, still drove by its liking for science and chemistry, but now experimenting on potions that would solve appeal to his new found perversions.
And, yes, I know readers, it remind you something you played.

Instead of resolving around MC's sex life, the story resolve around his chemistry capabilities. And the fact that he try to improve his potion do not imply that he stop experimenting on none perverts potions.

You can even make it following a sitcom model, with possibly a bit of femdom, and the MC not being interested more than this by the perverse side of the potions. But, alas for him, each potion he create have a pervert side effect that don't vanish with time.
Like the potions he create almost solve the issue, he continue working on them. But when he solve "this", it's "that" which reappear. He's always near to the perfect potion, what is a good incentive for him to continue, and for the girls to accept to take the next potion.
And, obviously, due to MC's curse, with each potion the girls become a bit more corrupted, wanting more and more to have tons of sex with the MC; sex that will be more and more wild.
That slow progression permit to disguise the fact that it's a side effect of the potion. The girls being interested in MC looking like gratitude at first, until the moment the MC starts to question their attitude; "Oh MC, you works so hard to help me..." "let me kiss you" -> "do you want to cum in my mouth?" -> "let's have sex" -> "fuck my ass!" -> "I'm your slave, all my holes are yours to use".

There's tons of sex in this story, but it's not a story about sex. It's the story about a cursed chemistry student that can't make a potion that don't have a pervert side effect.
Remove that side effect, and therefore the sex, and the story still exist and works. It become the story about a chemistry student who want to help his friends to solve their small problems, but never achieve to create the perfect potion that fully solve those problems.
And, as I said, it's how you should build your story. Something totally unrelated to sex, that either can include sex, or open the gate to something sexual.


Side note: This story is copyleft, if you're a dev, or want to become one, and find the premise interesting, you're free to use it.

 

[DumpTruckLover]

I want to induce some next level creativity which isnt even heard of by someone by now thing in stories like in Lord of Rings worldbuilding.

If you think you can achieve something like that, I suggest writing a book instead of spending time on adult games. If you succeed, you could become a millionaire. Jokes aside, even The Lord of the Rings draws inspiration from older stories. I don’t believe it’s possible to write a completely original story in today’s world. I think you shouldn’t stress too much about this. Of course, I’m not saying to copy other people’s stories, but writing similar things isn’t a deadly sin, especially when it comes to sex games.

 

[kaikopaiko]

If you think you can achieve something like that, I suggest writing a book instead of spending time on adult games. If you succeed, you could become a millionaire. Jokes aside, even The Lord of the Rings draws inspiration from older stories. I don’t believe it’s possible to write a completely original story in today’s world. I think you shouldn’t stress too much about this. Of course, I’m not saying to copy other people’s stories, but writing similar things isn’t a deadly sin, especially when it comes to sex games.

I'm not considering it a sin, but it's kind boring for me, for the longest time I took my inspiration from Summertime Saga because I really liked the feeling it gave me while playing it so whenever an idea used to come in my mind I used to force it in this template that there is a town named Townsville there will be a MC who is a school going guy, he lives with his family after that I used to fuse my idea in it. It used to come very unnatural after some point of time.

But lately I came with another plan of mixing two totally unrelated things and building a world and creating stories that will create a totally new experience and feeling something which is not tried before.

 

[kaikopaiko]

Instead of resolving around MC's sex life, the story resolve around his chemistry capabilities. And the fact that he try to improve his potion do not imply that he stop experimenting on none perverts potions.

You can even make it following a sitcom model, with possibly a bit of femdom, and the MC not being interested more than this by the perverse side of the potions. But, alas for him, each potion he create have a pervert side effect that don't vanish with time.
Like the potions he create almost solve the issue, he continue working on them. But when he solve "this", it's "that" which reappear. He's always near to the perfect potion, what is a good incentive for him to continue, and for the girls to accept to take the next potion.
And, obviously, due to MC's curse, with each potion the girls become a bit more corrupted, wanting more and more to have tons of sex with the MC; sex that will be more and more wild.
That slow progression permit to disguise the fact that it's a side effect of the potion. The girls being interested in MC looking like gratitude at first, until the moment the MC starts to question their attitude; "Oh MC, you works so hard to help me..." "let me kiss you" -> "do you want to cum in my mouth?" -> "let's have sex" -> "fuck my ass!" -> "I'm your slave, all my holes are yours to use".

This is a very good story plot. But my concern or interest doesn't lies in something that is obvious, I want highs and lows in my story, like if I read this story in a description of an AVN because I want something else now, this thing is now repetitive for me, like a guy with power is dominating others and seducing others. I want two opposite forces to interact with each other, not just MC should be able to make potion and make his female subject seduce it using it, I want that the female subject to also respond and try to investigate of what is happening with her, ultimately knowing that MC is a pervert scientist, she then blackmails MC on telling police of what he did, now MC is in problem. I don't want MC to be problem free, one thing or the other he cares about should always be at risk.

 

[anne O'nymous]

This is a very good story plot. But my concern or interest doesn't lies in something that is obvious, [...]

The first skill needed to be a writer is a to have a minimal amount of understanding...

Like by example the capability to distinguish between an obvious example used to illustrate an explanation, and presented as it, and a suggestion.

 

[DumpTruckLover]

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You say you're inspired by Summertime Saga, but that game has one of the most cliché stories ever. What's important isn't the fact that the MC sleeps with all the women in his house and town. What's important is how you convey the events. Let's take books as an example. Nowadays, there are many fantastic books with amazing stories, but the writing is terrible, which is why they are on the verge of being forgotten. On the other hand, if you look at Russian or French classics, they deal with cliché and boring everyday events, yet they become books that are remembered for centuries. This is true in many fields of art. At the end of the day, what matters is not the events that will happen in the game you develop, but how you present them to us.