RPGM Defenestration [v0.5d] [Fresh Mulan]

[CouchPillow]

Small spoiler. Mulan stated that he is not interrested in any input from freeloaders.

If my apps' had this verbal a community, I would consider it a goldmine. Its free advertising, feedback, QA'ing and perhaps even talent, for something that will eventually and always happen. But instead the guy find the site parasitic. Honestly the guy's thinking baffles me.

These points are ones that bug me the most. I myself was not a freeloader, I was a paying supporter. Obviously this is a piracy forum however we do generate a lot of traffic and support for the devs here. Both financially and from an advertising perspective. Many devs pay big money for a proper Q&A team and this forum is literally free feedback. Regardless if it's encouragement or criticism, it's still feedback and it's FREE.

A recent example I can think of is Lily of the valley. I couldn't get past the first week or so because of all the boring wandering. I recently tried out the unofficial ren'py remake and finished it. All that port did was remove the few RPG elements and walking around, and to me it was a much better game for doing so. When I was playing defenestration I was asking myself if I had actually found everything all the time. Nighttime streaking in the park, the dude with by the slide in the park, the prison, scenes in the shopping mall, most of the quests. I had no idea whether I was missing things in any of those, and that is just off the top of my head.

That bit right there is why the game had potential! There were little elements here and there that made it somewhat worth while go to back and check out.
I've been saying for a long time that RPG Maker's only use is to turn 5 minutes of gameplay into 20, and this is coming from somebody who actually loves classic turn-based combat. To me if you're not going to use RPG Maker for the actual elements it has to offer then you're better off developing in another platform.

 

[jonL]

Right now F95 is the only significant advertisement platform for non-jap porn games in the world i presume. Im sure that 90% of thouse who are currently donating to nsfw patreon game developers came from here. It is the ultimate instrument and creating bad reputation here in most cases will cut off influx of new donators, leading to incom drop.
Antagonizing even a small fraction of comunity over here can lead to constant negative information background.

 

[ARLASKY]

Right now F95 is the only significant advertisement platform for non-jap porn games in the world i presume. Im sure that 90% of thouse who are currently donating to nsfw patreon game developers came from here. It is the ultimate instrument and creating bad reputation here in most cases will cut off influx of new donators, leading to incom drop.
Antagonizing even a small fraction of comunity over here can lead to constant negative information background.

Tfgames exists as well but majority of their content is focused on mf or fm. Which limits their broad appeal. Apart from that most other sites have very hollow and/or dodgy interactions, and then you have a few sites that are dedicated developer sites. So it is a pretty bleak landscape. But it is populated.

 

[Aaron A. Aaronsen]

If this game were instead a linear VN where events occurred at set points in the story what would really be lost?

Immersion. That is what would be lost.

I know some people hate RPGM and love VN, but I honestly think VNs suck. If you want linear, why not just read a comic or doujin? Why use renpy? Do not ruin this for people who like RPGM.

With RPGM you have a sense of space and a sense of time that is completely lost in renpy. Sure you can fuck that up, but you can also make an unholy abomination that plays like ass in renpy. In RPGM, at the best you get great gameplay like in "Magician of the olecta desert", "rhodes fortress", "virgin island" or "Ariadne". There are also good english RPGM games like "roundscape" or "paccsu".

I really like the atmosphere in "defenestration". The maps, the soviet vibes, the cyberpunk, the art and also the humor. All this makes the game pretty unique and waaaaaay better than most of the other corruption crap.

I give it:
4.5 out of 5 cykas for the art
3 out of 5 blyats for the gameplay
and 5 out of 5 kon w paltos for the atmosphere.

 

[The Masked Man]

The ATMOSPHERE beats everything man, even some occasional crashes & bugs. A good example of briliantly-written game
Looking forward to uppdaytes.

 

[666dom]

I have read a lot of bad reviews from people who play the game for free. If you pay for the game, you have the right to be upset and you can easily decide to cancel your Patreon registration.

If like me you play the game for free, you just have the right to wait and shut up. These comments are unnecessary. There are so many other games to play while waiting for the update.

 

[keenkp]

I have read a lot of bad reviews from people who play the game for free. If you pay for the game, you have the right to be upset and you can easily decide to cancel your Patreon registration.

If like me you play the game for free, you just have the right to wait and shut up. These comments are unnecessary. There are so many other games to play while waiting for the update.

so you the fucking guy have the right to judge ？ funny , you are nothing but a fucking Holy Mother like a boring man who want to show off by saying these shit. if you truly do what you say , you should shut up and just watch people say their opinions, none of your fucking business, asshole.

 

[jonL]

I have read a lot of bad reviews from people who play the game for free. If you pay for the game, you have the right to be upset and you can easily decide to cancel your Patreon registration.

If like me you play the game for free, you just have the right to wait and shut up. These comments are unnecessary. There are so many other games to play while waiting for the update.

Complete and utter degeneracy.

First of all, there is no living being in this world who paid for the "game". Its unfinished and most likely never will be. Thouse who donate on patreon gets no guarantee its not a deal its donation.

Secondly, are you fucking retard or what? Its free for all site, where anyone can post his thoughts about a game, its updating speed and its dev. team. If you are tired of reading criticue you can go to patreon, there are no unfriendly posts over there.

 

[Mr_Malfunction]

so you the fucking guy have the right to judge ？ funny , you are nothing but a fucking Holy Mother like a boring man who want to show off by saying these shit. if you truly do what you say , you should shut up and just watch people say their opinions, none of your fucking business, asshole.

English is an amazing language, but only when used properly

 

[jonL]

So... I haven't really ever posted but I seem to be stuck in a loop where legion calls you for the second time. The scene just plays over and over again. Some quests say they can be completed like leaving moscow but the game doesn't let you. Any clues?

Mulan is lazy ass, you cant leave moscow, game is full of thouse time bugs.

 

[666dom]

so you the fucking guy have the right to judge ？ funny , you are nothing but a fucking Holy Mother like a boring man who want to show off by saying these shit. if you truly do what you say , you should shut up and just watch people say their opinions, none of your fucking business, asshole.

I love people like you: they have nothing interesting to say, do nothing interesting in life, in fact they are nothing. They criticize people who are trying to do something. Even if Mulan is not the most reliable person. To criticize a free product that does not arrive quickly enough is purely stupid. And 15263 posts saying the same thing won't speed up updates

 

[jonL]

I love people like you: they have nothing interesting to say, do nothing interesting in life, in fact they are nothing. They criticize people who are trying to do something. Even if Mulan is not the most reliable person. To criticize a free product that does not arrive quickly enough is purely stupid. And 15263 posts saying the same thing won't speed up updates

At least new people will know how regularly autor updates his game and will make more informed choice of going to patreon and donating to a guy.

 

[Alexia@69]

so you the fucking guy have the right to judge ？ funny , you are nothing but a fucking Holy Mother like a boring man who want to show off by saying these shit. if you truly do what you say , you should shut up and just watch people say their opinions, none of your fucking business, asshole.

Who are you to tell people what their rights are? Just because you believe people should be content with being lied to and sub-par "free" products, it doesn't mean it applies to everyone else. And in addition to that, how can you even know who paid for the game and who didn't? And how does paying for the game make the complaints about the game less valid? If Mulan wants to ignore "freeloaders" then it's their choice. You have no need to jump in their defense.

I find it sad that some people share this mentality. How can you expect things to get better if you tell people to shut up and just accept them as they are?

And again, the argument that this game is free is irrelevant. It's free because it's a smart move to have a free version, not for any benevolent reasons. Besides, to ignore (valid) feedback of any kind is purely stupid.

 

[ray3dave]

Why jump on provocations that are only meant to provoke? Why not simply ignore this stuff.

 

[Hand]

listen here
the game isn't get any update
the dev only reply with sarcasm
what else to discuss? nothing
so you all can simply shut up and let this thread die
I did not put this on watch list to listen to your whining

 

[ARLASKY]

listen here
the game isn't get any update
the dev only reply with sarcasm
what else to discuss? nothing
so you all can simply shut up and let this thread die
I did not put this on watch list to listen to your whining

Aiiii..... i just want to hope......... but this chat is the epitomy of despair....... in the end, all we can do is wait....... and if nothing happens, forget...........

 

[jonL]

Problem is - Mulan should start posting daily progress. What was painted, how many or how much of one event was coded and so on, assuming that he is working.
Right now his strategy is saying same lie in some illogical attempt to hold patreons or to have a high ground in shitposting, and niether is working.

 

[Satyrsfaction]

English is an amazing language, but only when used properly

Not everyone here has English as their mother tongue, and typing errors are also possible
(or difficulties with grammar and / or spelling) [or they're one of many victims of a horrible google-translation ].
So if you are so proficient in the English language and think it is so amazing, then help the people instead of talking about their linguistic errors.
(btw "English - Ænglisc, Anglisc, Englisc" has a lot of the German language as its root, with mixture of Celtic, Gaelic influences and also the long-used court language French etc.)

About criticizing:
Because a game is "free" it doesn't mean that I can't criticize. And of course it's allowed to talk about it and nobody has to "shut up". BUT, of course, attention should be paid to the tone of criticism and the criticism should not degenerate.
e.g. I'm waiting for an update for another game (AlienQuest EVE) for a long time and don't know why there has been no update for over a year. There will be reasons (which I do not know), but I will not call the developer lazy or just invent reasons that are not correct.

... Mulan should start posting daily progress. What was painted, how many or how much of one event was coded and so on ...

Daily is a bit too much. Maybe weekly ... or if he / they (team) have something special to say to surprise us / the community.

(Just imagine, you have to inform your mother daily about your daily routine - just because she wants to know if you are well)


Who finds spelling mistakes may keep them
(they are part of my secret plan to seize world domination ... muhahahaaa)

 

[IncineratedMulan]

Its now painfully obvious that his friendly attitude at the begining of his dev. career was a mask, and he is only interrested in donations, not in finishing his work and doing it good.

Yes, I am sarcastic and mean, but I am also polite, I believe that’s why you thought that I was “nice” at some point. Here, take this - One of humanity's most noteworthy traits is our ability to process information and react to it intelligently, please consider using it.

That said, I am interested in the completion of the game, that is why I’m also interested in your capitalistic donations - I need funds to hire more people and release the game more often, but I also need to release the game more often to attract more funds. It’s a circle, and life is hard.
For you see, dear JonL, the work that we’re doing is extremely complex, no one even attempts to do what we’re doing for a good reason, and we regret being born.
Since we have no clue how much time it will take - we have no release dates. So, there can't be any “delays” and I don’t understand what some of you mean by “delays”.

I write very detailed weekly posts on my patreon page, explaining everything I do, providing teasers and proof of work that we’re doing. Yes, I’ve made some mistakes, but I’m honestly trying to be better. That said, even with all of my explanations, some people think I’m going to run off and buy yachts with my endless patreon revenue, and there’s nothing I can do about their trust issues.

I genuinely only get positive comments and messages from my english-speaking patrons, the only negative feedback I receive comes from those who have no access to me, because they do not have any clue what is going on.

I do not value your opinions not because you’re “freeloaders”, but because you’re uninformed. However, you’re uninformed deliberately. Since I have no control over my game and can’t stop it from getting leaked, I’ve decided to limit the access to me. Talking to me and receiving any information about the game, is the only thing I can give people in return for their financial support.

So please stop leaking my posts, especially since people don’t want to read or believe them. Oh, and if you want me to value your opinion, try thinking “is this useful to the dev?” before you’ll post something. Because if you scroll through the last 50 or so pages of this forum you’ll see this - “New Art is shit” , “Dev is a fraud”. How is this helpful or useful to me? It just makes me depressed.

In other words, if you want to help, you can either support me financially or with constructive criticism, what you’re doing right now is useless and hurtful.

P.S: Looking forward to chatting with you once the new version will be out, and you’ll revert to being nice (hopefully).

 

[jonL]

Yes, I am sarcastic and mean, but I am also polite, I believe that’s why you thought that I was “nice” at some point. Here, take this - One of humanity's most noteworthy traits is our ability to process information and react to it intelligently, please consider using it.

You are not as sarcastic as you think you are. Mostly your answers are simple "pay or shut up" just in more words.

That said, I am interested in the completion of the game, that is why I’m also interested in your capitalistic donations - I need funds to hire more people and release the game more often, but I also need to release the game more often to attract more funds. It’s a circle, and life is hard.

Thats extremely contradictive, since completion of the game will cut donations to zero. And do not call donations capitalistic, they are not made on buyer/seller basis, just people supporting You personally, not even your game.

For you see, dear JonL, the work that we’re doing is extremely complex, no one even attempts to do what we’re doing for a good reason, and we regret being born.

It may be more complex , but I seriously doubt that your team is the only one who is making game on RPGM using layers, im pretty sure japs done it a couple hundred times already.

Since we have no clue how much time it will take - we have no release dates. So, there can't be any “delays” and I don’t understand what some of you mean by “delays”.

Than why do you making promises in at least last two patreon messages about "last touches", "finishing in two days" and similar? Thats making even those massages behind paywall a defective goods, completely destroying any incentive for people to donate pay you.

I write very detailed weekly posts on my patreon page, explaining everything I do, providing teasers and proof of work that we’re doing. Yes, I’ve made some mistakes, but I’m honestly trying to be better. That said, even with all of my explanations, some people think I’m going to run off and buy yachts with my endless patreon revenue, and there’s nothing I can do about their trust issues.

They are not detailed, they consist of easy breakable promises and stories how hard you were working. Without actual additions to the game they are cool stories, since we havent seen any changes for four months.

I genuinely only get positive comments and messages from my english-speaking patrons, the only negative feedback I receive comes from those who have no access to me, because they do not have any clue what is going on.

Well, some are leaving. There were messages of people cancelling pledges due to update absence. Maybe they were not so interested in the game since they are ok with it turning into infinite development mode.

I do not value your opinions not because you’re “freeloaders”, but because you’re uninformed. However, you’re uninformed deliberately. Since I have no control over my game and can’t stop it from getting leaked, I’ve decided to limit the access to me. Talking to me and receiving any information about the game, is the only thing I can give people in return for their financial support.

So you havent said that russian tread in your discord was for russians because they are freeloaders and they should stay in their camp. You havent posted there since your first lie about releasing update on December31 and appeared there only after conversation in general tread went in same direction?

So please stop leaking my posts, especially since people don’t want to read or believe them. Oh, and if you want me to value your opinion, try thinking “is this useful to the dev?” before you’ll post something. Because if you scroll through the last 50 or so pages of this forum you’ll see this - “New Art is shit” , “Dev is a fraud”. How is this helpful or useful to me? It just makes me depressed.

I hope those who are bringing your posts here will continue, because it is the only way for potential patrons to see what kind of "content" they are paying for. And there where posts by myself that was purely centered on your game, including why I think that old art was more appropriate, and why dev should post more than cool stories about how much content he made without actually implementing this content in game.

P.S: Looking forward to chatting with you once the new version will be out, and you’ll revert to being nice (hopefully).

Well, if miracle will happen and your update will happen and be proportional to its development time, I will say that i was wrong in regard of your fraud tactics, and will promote your game in other conversations which i was occasionally doing thru 2019.