Demographics and adult content and analysis of that data
Well look at issues with such data. After that why it is should be important to a game or VN developer.
Clarification: In the use of terms like fringe it isn’t used in the intent to imply it is bad just a minority of individuals are into it.
The issues:
There is a lot of bullshit on the internet and there is no place it exist more than when it comes to describing sexual tendencies and preferences.
I’ll give you an example how you can tell some of it. In the US we know that around 30% of adults even view porn online. It’s been tracked by looking at the traffic routes and so on going to adult sites and how many people with unique IP address actually visit a site and also looking at routing data from carriers.
There is a potential issue with the data in that it could read higher than what it actually is because the same person could be using more than one device to view a site. Such as they might use their PC while at home and their phone at work or their work computer. So the number of people isn’t going to go up if it is correct it would go down.
That 30% is a rough number not exact it just gives us something to work with.
So when I look at a website claiming 50% or larger number I know the numbers they are using are entirely made the hell up.
That same routing data can also tell you more detailed information about people. Such as the kinks they are into. An example there are sites that cater to various kinks or preferences. So when we see the person going to a pay site like that you can effectively assume that they are into that kink. Especially considering if they re willing to pay for it vs simply looking at what they can find on free sites.
Free sites also track data and its big money. They generally track what you visit on their site so they can also make recommendations. Even when you don’t create an account your IP is looked at and any other aspect they can gleam from your machine to create a profile of what to serve you the next time around.
When you hide that information from them what you see is what the average person is into by looking at what is popular and on some sites what is posted new or trending.
A good example of a false conclusion would be roosters claim that 41% of women want MMF or more.
It was based on a sample of only 1000 women who visited their site. First, not all and not even a majority of women visit their site. Second the women who do are not indicative of the average female in the US or any where I know. Not all their visitors were even inclined to take the survey.
The accurate answer here would be of the female readers who visited roosters site and were willing to take the survey of that nature 41% were potentially open to such kinks. They still don’t know how many said it honestly or had any way to gauge it.
We have more precise information from questionnaires when people come in for mental health treatment and psychologist and psychiatrist answering things like how many people they treat and what types of things they learn from them in blind surveys were names and stuff are not given with identifying information.
About 51 million people are treated annually for mental health. Not every one of those is going to get a question regarding their sex life. That said we still get millions of answers from it covering a much wider and diverse group of people from pretty much every walk of life. Thus it is far more representative of the overall populace. Or is it. 50 million is about one seventh the number of people in this country. Even if you were to say it is representative of people with mental health issues. That would at best guesses be two sevenths. In truth I’d argue against that value. They assume that do to stigma and so on there is an equal number of people not getting treated. I’d say its a lot less of a stigma these days and more people are informed of the benefits of getting treatment. I’d but it closer to about 15 or 20% more. Which would leave it closer to a seventh of the populace.
You also have to wonder if mental health isn’t a factor in those choices. We know mental health certainly effects people making choices. We also know various groups around sexual orientations also suffer higher mental health issues and other issues as well.
In truth it’s an ugly issue. There isn’t really a way to untie those aspects and show they aren’t related or just some sort of coincidence. People try all the time.
I’m going to define a term here specifically for the purpose of this discussion. It isn’t meant to match the clinical term. “Pattern of behavior” it isn’t meant to be the same as the psychology term “behavioral pattern”
“Pattern of behavior” – This is the things we do based on who we are. Strait individuals prefer strait sex as an example.
There are a few things that effect those patterns.
Genetics – DNA
Environment – society, teachers, parents, events in life (things like traumatic events and others)
Chemical balance – natural body chemistry and those such as drugs, alcohol...
Physical brain defects and damage – birth defect holes in brain, cancer, drug and chem damage …
Everything that has happen or will happen to you in life that will effect how you will react in the future fits into those 4 things. Including God fits in environment.
If you think you have something that doesn’t you are wrong you just haven’t figured out which one it belongs in.
Do most people have kinks?
I would say it is safer to say most people have some form of curiosity or questions.
You can’t really say a person has a kink who hasn’t experienced it even. Most people are too afraid to even tell their partners they want to do something out of fear they will be looked at differently.
Being they haven’t tried it, you can’t really claim they like it and thus can’t say they actually have it as a kink.
Then there are other factors like is the person simply interested in reading about something vs doing it. Maybe, their kink is more of a voyeuristic nature reading or seeing others do something not themselves actually doing it.
What it comes down to is any so called survey or data claiming large changes or deviations out side of the people’s demographics can all be written off as total shit.
The problem is there are a lot of groups out there who want to make the groups they are in look much larger in an effort to change the view and normalize their appearance. The truth is they are being stupid. Using sexual orientation as an example: There is a normal percentage of individuals who fall into each group. That’s only going to change if something disrupts one of those 4 aspects listed above on a large scale.
Can people choose to act out side their normal pattern of behavior?
Sure as hell can. Plenty of gay men have plaid strait in life because of family and social structure and so on. I know several individuals that did the other direction for attention. They kept it up several years till they could no longer stomach it any longer and was causing them other issues. Lying to everyone including yourself apparently creates a lot of stress who would have known right. Recipe for disaster.
Well why should any of this matter to developers:
First, let me say I think you should create the game you want to create and not base it around what so called fans want.
The first reason is you want to create something you can be proud of and want to play yourself and you will find doing so is more enjoyable. Thus you are more likely to complete it.
Remember all those demographics. Well basing your story off the people who reply to such surveys isn’t indicative of the vast majority of players. They are actually the fringe in respect. Think of the rooster example above.
Lets say you complete the game and want to put it up on something other than patreon. Well you are going to have those few people’s response now dictating your potential future sales. Remember they are not representative of the majority. So by listening to them you have most likely greatly cut future sales. That’s not really a problem though if money isn’t a factor why you are making the game. If it is well then you want to avoid the fringe as much as possible.
It is also better to write a story with a specific audience in mind not a wide audience. It doesn’t matter if there are options to avoid the content most will never take the time even to look if there are. Especially on platforms like steam. Here we are used to looking for stuff like that most people aren’t used to looking for stuff like that with games on steam.
Well look at issues with such data. After that why it is should be important to a game or VN developer.
Clarification: In the use of terms like fringe it isn’t used in the intent to imply it is bad just a minority of individuals are into it.
The issues:
There is a lot of bullshit on the internet and there is no place it exist more than when it comes to describing sexual tendencies and preferences.
I’ll give you an example how you can tell some of it. In the US we know that around 30% of adults even view porn online. It’s been tracked by looking at the traffic routes and so on going to adult sites and how many people with unique IP address actually visit a site and also looking at routing data from carriers.
There is a potential issue with the data in that it could read higher than what it actually is because the same person could be using more than one device to view a site. Such as they might use their PC while at home and their phone at work or their work computer. So the number of people isn’t going to go up if it is correct it would go down.
That 30% is a rough number not exact it just gives us something to work with.
So when I look at a website claiming 50% or larger number I know the numbers they are using are entirely made the hell up.
That same routing data can also tell you more detailed information about people. Such as the kinks they are into. An example there are sites that cater to various kinks or preferences. So when we see the person going to a pay site like that you can effectively assume that they are into that kink. Especially considering if they re willing to pay for it vs simply looking at what they can find on free sites.
Free sites also track data and its big money. They generally track what you visit on their site so they can also make recommendations. Even when you don’t create an account your IP is looked at and any other aspect they can gleam from your machine to create a profile of what to serve you the next time around.
When you hide that information from them what you see is what the average person is into by looking at what is popular and on some sites what is posted new or trending.
A good example of a false conclusion would be roosters claim that 41% of women want MMF or more.
It was based on a sample of only 1000 women who visited their site. First, not all and not even a majority of women visit their site. Second the women who do are not indicative of the average female in the US or any where I know. Not all their visitors were even inclined to take the survey.
The accurate answer here would be of the female readers who visited roosters site and were willing to take the survey of that nature 41% were potentially open to such kinks. They still don’t know how many said it honestly or had any way to gauge it.
We have more precise information from questionnaires when people come in for mental health treatment and psychologist and psychiatrist answering things like how many people they treat and what types of things they learn from them in blind surveys were names and stuff are not given with identifying information.
About 51 million people are treated annually for mental health. Not every one of those is going to get a question regarding their sex life. That said we still get millions of answers from it covering a much wider and diverse group of people from pretty much every walk of life. Thus it is far more representative of the overall populace. Or is it. 50 million is about one seventh the number of people in this country. Even if you were to say it is representative of people with mental health issues. That would at best guesses be two sevenths. In truth I’d argue against that value. They assume that do to stigma and so on there is an equal number of people not getting treated. I’d say its a lot less of a stigma these days and more people are informed of the benefits of getting treatment. I’d but it closer to about 15 or 20% more. Which would leave it closer to a seventh of the populace.
You also have to wonder if mental health isn’t a factor in those choices. We know mental health certainly effects people making choices. We also know various groups around sexual orientations also suffer higher mental health issues and other issues as well.
In truth it’s an ugly issue. There isn’t really a way to untie those aspects and show they aren’t related or just some sort of coincidence. People try all the time.
I’m going to define a term here specifically for the purpose of this discussion. It isn’t meant to match the clinical term. “Pattern of behavior” it isn’t meant to be the same as the psychology term “behavioral pattern”
“Pattern of behavior” – This is the things we do based on who we are. Strait individuals prefer strait sex as an example.
There are a few things that effect those patterns.
Genetics – DNA
Environment – society, teachers, parents, events in life (things like traumatic events and others)
Chemical balance – natural body chemistry and those such as drugs, alcohol...
Physical brain defects and damage – birth defect holes in brain, cancer, drug and chem damage …
Everything that has happen or will happen to you in life that will effect how you will react in the future fits into those 4 things. Including God fits in environment.
If you think you have something that doesn’t you are wrong you just haven’t figured out which one it belongs in.
Do most people have kinks?
I would say it is safer to say most people have some form of curiosity or questions.
You can’t really say a person has a kink who hasn’t experienced it even. Most people are too afraid to even tell their partners they want to do something out of fear they will be looked at differently.
Being they haven’t tried it, you can’t really claim they like it and thus can’t say they actually have it as a kink.
Then there are other factors like is the person simply interested in reading about something vs doing it. Maybe, their kink is more of a voyeuristic nature reading or seeing others do something not themselves actually doing it.
What it comes down to is any so called survey or data claiming large changes or deviations out side of the people’s demographics can all be written off as total shit.
The problem is there are a lot of groups out there who want to make the groups they are in look much larger in an effort to change the view and normalize their appearance. The truth is they are being stupid. Using sexual orientation as an example: There is a normal percentage of individuals who fall into each group. That’s only going to change if something disrupts one of those 4 aspects listed above on a large scale.
Can people choose to act out side their normal pattern of behavior?
Sure as hell can. Plenty of gay men have plaid strait in life because of family and social structure and so on. I know several individuals that did the other direction for attention. They kept it up several years till they could no longer stomach it any longer and was causing them other issues. Lying to everyone including yourself apparently creates a lot of stress who would have known right. Recipe for disaster.
Well why should any of this matter to developers:
First, let me say I think you should create the game you want to create and not base it around what so called fans want.
The first reason is you want to create something you can be proud of and want to play yourself and you will find doing so is more enjoyable. Thus you are more likely to complete it.
Remember all those demographics. Well basing your story off the people who reply to such surveys isn’t indicative of the vast majority of players. They are actually the fringe in respect. Think of the rooster example above.
Lets say you complete the game and want to put it up on something other than patreon. Well you are going to have those few people’s response now dictating your potential future sales. Remember they are not representative of the majority. So by listening to them you have most likely greatly cut future sales. That’s not really a problem though if money isn’t a factor why you are making the game. If it is well then you want to avoid the fringe as much as possible.
It is also better to write a story with a specific audience in mind not a wide audience. It doesn’t matter if there are options to avoid the content most will never take the time even to look if there are. Especially on platforms like steam. Here we are used to looking for stuff like that most people aren’t used to looking for stuff like that with games on steam.
