VN Ren'Py Devil's Gambit [v0.1.1] [roddio, Alpha0, Minoh Workshop]

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Still doesn't make much sense since
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you're looking at it way too 1 for 1. Im looking at the similarities whenever doppio swaps to diavolo and vice versa the change is so drastic people wouldn't think they're the same person despite inhabiting the same body. Which applies whenever cadgan swaps places with rian/ranz.
 

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Still doesn't make much sense since
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ya maybe this is how all demons work its already been established how symbiotic their existence is with the being that sort of becomes their partner. Its always not 100% sure because ranzkai is made a special case amongst demons but this kinda recontextualizes the scenes we saw in the flashback. In those scenes you could sort of pick out which wolves looked sorta regular and which wolves were more likely to be demons but if they are all like ranzkai and cadgan the regular wolves and the demonic wolves were all one and the same just some happened to be in 'demon mode' and some happened to be in 'wolf mode'.

anyway ya ranzkai is ancient, he existed before cadgan but they have become entangled and now seem to share a body as well as have this weird emotion economy where cadgan is kinda relinquishing parts of his personality to ranzkai/rian, strange stuff :0

also cadgan was in spirit form watching when ranzkai bust open hector's cute little badger butt with his big bad wolf dick xD
 
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gerrrmalope

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one more thing I'm kinda getting a vibe Silvareth is a demon, is that a wild prediction? I dunno he's just giving me a vibe could be way off
 

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also cadgan was in spirit form watching when ranzkai bust open hector's cute little badger butt
I was confused by that scene.Can Ranzkai transform Cadgan's physical body? Was it not the trick to show the reader the switch in personality?

If Ranzkai glamoured Cadgan's body everytime he needed to be physical with the badger, how did he teleport to his house at night?

If Cadgan saw badger being wrecked, why did he keep acting 'oh no woe is me' such star-crossed lover routine?
 

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I was confused by that scene.Can Ranzkai transform Cadgan's physical body? Was it not the trick to show the reader the switch in personality?
Yes. It's not a trick (at least in my understanding of the story so far).

If Ranzkai glamoured Cadgan's body everytime he needed to be physical with the badger, how did he teleport to his house at night?
Ranzkai has magic and can use it while Cagdan don't, not hard to guess that he can teleport after "possessing" Cagdan's body, I mean unless we see a scene with the three of them together at the same time physically interacting with each other, there is no plot hole yet.

If Cadgan saw badger being wrecked, why did he keep acting 'oh no woe is me' such star-crossed lover routine?
If I had to guess, to have drama in the story, bc really this doesn't make much sense for me either.
 

gerrrmalope

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I was confused by that scene.Can Ranzkai transform Cadgan's physical body? Was it not the trick to show the reader the switch in personality?

If Ranzkai glamoured Cadgan's body everytime he needed to be physical with the badger, how did he teleport to his house at night?

If Cadgan saw badger being wrecked, why did he keep acting 'oh no woe is me' such star-crossed lover routine?

That's how I interpreted it. Cadgan's narration said they sort of have a brief moment of perfect synchronicity whenever they "switch control" is I believe how he put it, so ya it seems like one is always pilot, and one is always co-pilot, and the co-pilot takes that sort of ephemeral form while the other has the physical body. As far as the abilitiy to perform spells and teleport; I think you can glean something from the last chapter. Cadgan remarks that if Ranzkai can do it than somewhere inside him he should have that ability too. He mentions this when he's troubling over meeting with Silvareth, and how he'll have to hide the fact he has issues with his hands. Ranzkai's capacity for magic is immense; Cadgan's is so low that its even worth remarking by Hector, so it seems to be to quite an exception to even the average wolf. This is one of the many things that plays into their dynamic of Cadgan sort of lacking everything Ranzkai/Rian has in abundance, and vice versa. The shaman tree is a pretty clear visual metaphor for Ranzkai/Rian and Cadgan's dynamic. Why was Cadgan so woeful even though he experienced being with Hector vicariously through Ranzkai? I think theres quite a few reasons you can consider. You can make some inferences based on how Cadgan describes his perception of Ranzkai's memories. Where Ranzkai perceives them in vivid colour Cadgan experiences them distantly like a spectator. being with Hector through Ranzkai isn't the same as being with him as himself. For one they are keeping Hector in the dark so he doesn't even realize Cadgan is a part of these moments of intimacy. Cadgan is also more prescient of the rammifications, Ranzkai is able to lose himself in the moment Cadgan is plagued with the anxiety that this might damn them all. Cadgan realizes that he has lost a great deal of the qualities that Hector admired in him to Ranzkai, so he has this dilemma where he's only really half of the person Hector once loved. Again Ranzkai is not bothered by this in the slightest because he's more capable of just enjoying things in the moment.

Edit: oh one more thing Cadgan was still processing his hurt over Hector's lack of communication over the years. Ranzkai would experience these feelings, as Cadgan experiences his: sort of as a spectator. Ranzkai was able to pursue Hector without that emotional baggage hanging over him quite as heavily as it did Cadgan.
 
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