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You'll have to excuse me but those messages won't prevent me from being skeptical. Sorry.
There are many devs that promise different paths in their game, focus on one and stop in the middle. It's particularly common in games with dom/sub ones, even more if they have sissification (those games have a tendency to be abandoned midway, so the sub path is unfinished and the normal/dom path is just mentioned at the start). No later than today, in a game that was aiming to have a male MC and a female MC, the dev decided to focus on the later one and isn't sure to continue with the other one anymore, which is saddening since I liked the premises but have a hard time playing as a woman.
Though, I congratulate you for being upfront.


Will there be gay content outside with feminine men (us as a sissy on the sub path or with sissies on the dom path)? Just wondering if a bi playthrough will be possible without femboy/sissies (I just don't find them appealing, that's why I'm asking).


This is a fantastic way of thinking if you can keep it. Warning is the way to do things right, whatever the reason behind is.

As for the game, I'm not into feminization, even more if it's forced but the summary and samples made me want to try it in the future, especially if the dev is someone that agreeable.

Good continuation.
By the way, in some moments of your words, I agree about the fact that the developers are trying to sit on 2 chairs, this is about the routes of the game.
 
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Hello.



You'll have to excuse me but those messages won't prevent me from being skeptical. Sorry.
There are many devs that promise different paths in their game, focus on one and stop in the middle. It's particularly common in games with dom/sub ones, even more if they have sissification (those games have a tendency to be abandoned midway, so the sub path is unfinished and the normal/dom path is just mentioned at the start). No later than today, in a game that was aiming to have a male MC and a female MC, the dev decided to focus on the later one and isn't sure to continue with the other one anymore, which is saddening since I liked the premises but have a hard time playing as a woman.
Though, I congratulate you for being upfront.


Will there be gay content outside with feminine men (us as a sissy on the sub path or with sissies on the dom path)? Just wondering if a bi playthrough will be possible without femboy/sissies (I just don't find them appealing, that's why I'm asking).


This is a fantastic way of thinking if you can keep it. Warning is the way to do things right, whatever the reason behind is.

As for the game, I'm not into feminization, even more if it's forced but the summary and samples made me want to try it in the future, especially if the dev is someone that agreeable.

Good continuation.
Completely understandable the fact that you are skeptical as if I was in your place I'd be aswell, all I can say is that the male domination route will defenitely get content, it wont be abandoned or forgotten, yes, perhaps the sub route will be more focused and I will personally enjoy developing it more, but I am aware that there are alot of people who enjoy the male domination route more than the sub one, so I will definitely make sure that those get their fair share of content when they come for a new update.

There will be gay content with "normal" men yes, specifically right now I intend to have M/M content with the dad, but in the future I will add more characters, however, there will also be M/M content with feminine men, as in you dominating a sissy or a twink, in my mind, the more diverse the game can be, the better for everyone, for me, for the person who plays it who has more fun in trying new paths they havent tried, that's what I enjoy in games and that's what I want for my game.

I intend to keep this communication throughout the game, I believe it's crucial that people who are looking forward to the game get responded and not left in the void, as it helps me in developing the game to understand what I am doing right and wrong, and it keeps people coming back since they see I am actively developing the project and paying attention to it.

Thank you, come back in a few updates when there's more male domination, storybuilding and game mechanics developed, hopefully you will have a good time!
 

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Completely understandable the fact that you are skeptical as if I was in your place I'd be aswell, all I can say is that the male domination route will defenitely get content, it wont be abandoned or forgotten, yes, perhaps the sub route will be more focused and I will personally enjoy developing it more, but I am aware that there are alot of people who enjoy the male domination route more than the sub one, so I will definitely make sure that those get their fair share of content when they come for a new update.

There will be gay content with "normal" men yes, specifically right now I intend to have M/M content with the dad, but in the future I will add more characters, however, there will also be M/M content with feminine men, as in you dominating a sissy or a twink, in my mind, the more diverse the game can be, the better for everyone, for me, for the person who plays it who has more fun in trying new paths they havent tried, that's what I enjoy in games and that's what I want for my game.

I intend to keep this communication throughout the game, I believe it's crucial that people who are looking forward to the game get responded and not left in the void, as it helps me in developing the game to understand what I am doing right and wrong, and it keeps people coming back since they see I am actively developing the project and paying attention to it.

Thank you, come back in a few updates when there's more male domination, storybuilding and game mechanics developed, hopefully you will have a good time!
This is your first game, as I understand it?
 

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This is your first game, as I understand it?
Yep it is, I'm learning as I'm developing, started about a week ago, but I've been a fan of HTML porn games for a really long time, before this f95 account was created, so I always had a desire to make one
 

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Here's my advice, make the game as you planned and just make the minimal changes that are actually necessary for the game (bug fixes and minor game improvements). As soon as you violate your plan in terms of alterations and other garbage, your pleasant process will turn into hell.

In your case it’s difficult, you have a Patreon.

The main thing to remember is that this is a hobby and not a job. Hobbies should bring pleasure and not headaches. Yes, the sad fact is that you will not be able to please all players in terms of taste, you have to come to terms with it.

The main thing is to do what you like and how it will be convenient for you;)
 
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Here's my advice, make the game as you planned and just make the minimal changes that are actually necessary for the game (bug fixes and minor game improvements). As soon as you violate your plan in terms of alterations and other garbage, your pleasant process will turn into hell.

In your case it’s difficult, you have a Patreon.

The main thing to remember is that this is a hobby and not a job. Hobbies should bring pleasure and not headaches. Yes, the sad fact is that you will not be able to please all players in terms of taste, you have to come to terms with it.

The main thing is to do what you like and how it will be convenient for you;)
Yeah I agree totally, fortunately as of now most of what people have said is what I want to develop further on, storybuilding, more game mechanics, more repetitive events so the game doesnt feel like u sleep, event, sleep, event, so most of the feedback as been positive and I agree, but I'm not naive and if something doesn't make sense for me, I will not change the course of the game because of one person

Thank you for your help tho! Your concern is really nice :D
 

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This game has no content so far. Lots of "locations" to visit with nothing to do there, no events or repeatable scenes.
 

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This game has no content so far. Lots of "locations" to visit with nothing to do there, no events or repeatable scenes.
The curse of these games is that the authors make it possible to go to a lot of places in the game and forget to fill them with content to make it make sense.

For example, I immediately solved this problem in my new game, I immediately began filling it with additional content :) As a result, I got 750 video clips for additional content in the game 0_o

Although you need to understand that my game is a little different, for example, here the author makes the routes that the player chooses and gradually develops one of the routes in this direction.

For example, I don’t have routes for the player, I use a modular system. Yes, there is a general premise of the game, well, then you do what you want. Although it is correct to say that the game has a beginning and an end, but everything else in between is what diversifies the game.

Therefore, everyone here has a different approach to development (although to say that this is infuriating is an understatement). I mean, in terms of the lack of content in the game, we are doing a patreon for that.
 

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This game has no content so far. Lots of "locations" to visit with nothing to do there, no events or repeatable scenes.
There are events my friend in the sub route, you get a warning when there's a new one, there's not alot of them yet, but they are there, as for the locations yes, next update will focus on adding more stuff around the world.

If you played the domination route then no, there are currently no real events, only differences in dialogs, next update will have content tho :)
 
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MC is a completely passive protagonist and as a player you have no agency (ability to make decisions). Things just happen to the MC. Should consider reformatting as a visual novel type game instead of an open world. I understand that this is a MVP release, but everything that happens to the MC there is no choice involved other than two interactions where you can chose sub or dom, and then thereafter you are locked into that route with no more options.

I know I'm not being fair to gaaby when I complain about this, but I'm really getting sick of the trope sub = trans = gay. Guys can prefer women's clothes without being attracted to men or being subs. Sigh. Yeah, that is the genre, I get it.

Also, the CSS on the phone screens is horrible. And the only link to the phone is when you're in the bedroom... that feels weird.
 

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MC is a completely passive protagonist and as a player you have no agency (ability to make decisions). Things just happen to the MC. Should consider reformatting as a visual novel type game instead of an open world. I understand that this is a MVP release, but everything that happens to the MC there is no choice involved other than two interactions where you can chose sub or dom, and then thereafter you are locked into that route with no more options.

I know I'm not being fair to gaaby when I complain about this, but I'm really getting sick of the trope sub = trans = gay. Guys can prefer women's clothes without being attracted to men or being subs. Sigh. Yeah, that is the genre, I get it.

Also, the CSS on the phone screens is horrible. And the only link to the phone is when you're in the bedroom... that feels weird.
Appreciate the feedback, everything you mentioned is currently in the works to be changed/developed in the next release, I'm currently working on it as I write this, there will be more choices and I want to make it feel more like a game and not a visual novel, which realistically is what the first release is, but that's not my aim for the game.

As for the genre thing, nothing I can do about that, it's what I personally enjoy in an HTML game and the type of game I wish to develop since it's what I've been invested in for some years now, there will be two routes to the game so maybe try the other one, maybe you'll enjoy it more, once it's developed further.

I've already changed the CSS on the phone to make it look better, I did the phone when I started learning and I agree it wasnt very pleasant, hopefully you enjoy the new one once the game is out, about the phone being in the bedroom, it's all due to my lack of knowledge since I do not know how to make it go back to the last passage the player was and not to a specific passage, I'll try to do that in the future tho.

Thanks for the words!
 
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Appreciate the feedback, everything you mentioned is currently in the works to be changed/developed in the next release, I'm currently working on it as I write this, there will be more choices and I want to make it feel more like a game and not a visual novel, which realistically is what the first release is, but that's not my aim for the game.

As for the genre thing, nothing I can do about that, it's what I personally enjoy in an HTML game and the type of game I wish to develop since it's what I've been invested in for some years now, there will be two routes to the game so maybe try the other one, maybe you'll enjoy it more, once it's developed further.

I've already changed the CSS on the phone to make it look better, I did the phone when I started learning and I agree it wasnt very pleasant, hopefully you enjoy the new one once the game is out, about the phone being in the bedroom, it's all due to my lack of knowledge since I do not know how to make it go back to the last passage the player was and not to a specific passage, I'll try to do that in the future tho.

Thanks for the words!
Here is an easy example of how you can make the player go back.

<< return "Write your text here">>

Well, if you need a button and not a regular link, here is an example of a button.

<<button "Return" `previous()`>><</button>>
 
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Here is an easy example of how you can make the player go back.

<< return "Write your text here">>

Well, if you need a button and not a regular link, here is an example of a button.

<<button "Return" `previous()`>><</button>>
The problem is the phone has gmail and whatsapp, so the player goes 2 passages in and when he returns to the last passage, he just goes back to the phone and can't leave it, that's why I didnt use the previous method, I need something else and there's a way to do it, I just don't know how to :/
 

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The problem is the phone has gmail and whatsapp, so the player goes 2 passages in and when he returns to the last passage, he just goes back to the phone and can't leave it, that's why I didnt use the previous method, I need something else and there's a way to do it, I just don't know how to :/
Right now I’ll connect the heavy artillery ;)
 

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Next, we create any passage and open it through a button like this. <<button 'Passage name'>><<run slideWin("Passage name")>><</button>> After that, a passage opens over the game itself and you can close it with a button like this.

<<button 'Close the passage' >><<run slideWin("hide")>><</button>>
 
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Next, we create any passage and open it through a button like this. <<button 'Passage name'>><<run slideWin("Passage name")>><</button>> After that, a passage opens over the game itself and you can close it with a button like this.

<<button 'Close the passage' >><<run slideWin("hide")>><</button>>
Hmm I think I understood the method, like a skip type of thing, I'll give it a shot to see if I can get it working
 

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MC is a completely passive protagonist and as a player you have no agency (ability to make decisions). Things just happen to the MC. Should consider reformatting as a visual novel type game instead of an open world. I understand that this is a MVP release, but everything that happens to the MC there is no choice involved other than two interactions where you can chose sub or dom, and then thereafter you are locked into that route with no more options.

I know I'm not being fair to gaaby when I complain about this, but I'm really getting sick of the trope sub = trans = gay. Guys can prefer women's clothes without being attracted to men or being subs. Sigh. Yeah, that is the genre, I get it.
I completely agree with this. Having a submissive preference in the bedroom, and gender dysphoria or homosexuality are not the same thing. There are also degrees and limits to how submissive they are and what kinks they're into, then there's also the fact that plenty of men may enjoy being submissive in the bedroom but not in life or as a lifestyle.

That being said, if we have no control over what kinks we see in scenes or lifestyle choices the MC will make or participate in then there isn't really a game here, and a visual novel would be a better format with a focus on story.
 

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I completely agree with this. Having a submissive preference in the bedroom, and gender dysphoria or homosexuality are not the same thing. There are also degrees and limits to how submissive they are and what kinks they're into, then there's also the fact that plenty of men may enjoy being submissive in the bedroom but not in life or as a lifestyle.

That being said, if we have no control over what kinks we see in scenes or lifestyle choices the MC will make or participate in then there isn't really a game here, and a visual novel would be a better format with a focus on story.
I plan to change that but one thing will not change, the MC will be feminized/sissified over the course of the sub route and the opposite for the male domination route, he will become more and more dominant, the player will have choices and have to play the game to get the scenes to occur, like grinding a stat and finding stuff around the world, quests sent by the characters that he has to do etc.

I understand what you mean but that's my idea for this game, I want to do something similar to Perverted Education, you will have choices, just not the choice to opt out of your end goal.

I understand this first release is lacking in lots of senses and I'm literally working all day on it to make the game an actual game and I know what I have to change, I'll try to deliver the next update with improved features ASAP.
 
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