Do Porngames need to have unrelated Gameplay ?

[Ixiah]

I mean, a lot of Games here fall into 3 Categories:
VN Style
Rpg with Sex
"Management Games"
What i find frustrating about a lot of them is they have Gameplay that doesnt releate to Sex.
Take the Rpg games, you have bad to pretty good, if you count in japanese Srpg, games that after playing some unlock events or Pics.
So what ?
I might as well play Octopath Traveler and look at exhentai every 10 fights.
It never feels as if your own actions or decisions lead to porn.
Which brings me to the Management Games, like Big Brother.
It looks like you do have freedom but after a while you realise all you do is grind numbers, with little to zero agency and to unlock events you have to follow a pretty narrow Path.
Yes i know, BB has some different paths, but in the end it is just choosing a different dialogue option.
So that leaves me with Brothel Trainer Games.
They are the closest thing to what i seek(and the games i support on Patreon) but even they seem to be limited.
Brothel City has just different Cards to unlock.
Games like Zum Damenhaus or Porn Empire havent any meaningful Endgame or reasons to keep playing after you seen all the Animations, Hentai High School might be good if it wasnt so damn grindy, realy slow incremental Progress and just stock random Eventpics taken from various Hentai Games.

 

[kaiten]

I reckon there are two kinds of porn games people play. One's the non stop fapathon which is pretty much a VN with lots of sexual content or maybe a management game with pretty lax requirements for scenes. The other kind is a game first and foremost with porn being the icing on the cake. I know I occasionally play porn games just for the game part. Jack o' Nine Tails comes to mind...also Slave Maker.

 

[RooksAreCool]

I reckon there are two kinds of porn games people play. One's the non stop fapathon which is pretty much a VN with lots of sexual content or maybe a management game with pretty lax requirements for scenes. The other kind is a game first and foremost with porn being the icing on the cake. I know I occasionally play porn games just for the game part. Jack o' Nine Tails comes to mind...also Slave Maker.

If that's the case of your category, what do you think of combat based ones? What category do they fall into?

 

[Yukino]

I like games that are not just porn, because for porn only, i can read porn comics and watch porn movies/anime.
Of course the not-porn part needs to be good, either good story for RPGs or good management design for management games.
Games that are just porn get boring pretty quick for me.
For example, i played Crusader Kings 2 alot with mods. Playing CK2 with the Games of Thrones mod and a bunch of mindcontrol and fantasyporn mods is just marvelous and kept me playing for many hours even if the porn part itself was rather limited. (maybe i should check the new mod versions for CK2 and start again, now that i think about it)

 

[tomcire]

Are "adult" games just porn games?
The gameplay have to follow the experience that the developer want to offer, I agree with you that many time the gameplay is totally off and has noting to do with the rest of the game.
Some rpg adult games could be amazing rpgs with some adult element, and many VN (expecially japanese ones) are novels that focus on other themes, even just simply not erotic romances, and offer an interesting story.
Everything has to do with what the developer wants to offer and how he can be coherent with its own idea. Developing a gameplay and realizing that it is totally wrong for the game is very frustrating.

 

[polywog]

Do Porngames need to have unrelated Gameplay ?

No, you don't need unrelated gameplay.
You can make a game where every button is a nipple, a vagina or a dick.
No, sir. You don't NEED gameplay at all, your game can just be dicks.

 

[Avaron1974]

Porn games don't need to have anything but some players need to realise not every game is aimed at them.

Example, see a game launch in RPGM and you don't like RPGM?

You are not target audience. Comments like "RPGM no download" just make you look like a moron.

See an NTR game and you hate NTR ..... You are not the target audience.

Every style of game has it's place. Some of us prefer RPG's, some prefer VN's, some prefer Unreal and some prefer Ren'py. All a game needs to do is entertain the people it's aimed at.

 

[Jon_Sleeper]

Exactly as avaron said. The term game has a very broad meaning. Any piece of software that is made for entertainment purposes and contains some level of interactivity could be classified as a game.

 

[Finsit]

I don't like the term "porn game".

I use it when talking to normal people because that is a term they can understand easily, "erotic game" could be ambiguous.
And I may also slip that of all people that knows that I'm an erotic game developer I never had any negative reaction from them. And that range from people somebody that doesn't know my name to my family. (Just pointing that out because many are ashamed of it)


But I prefer to use the word "eroge" as I think it conveys a better meaning.

For me the strongest point of adult games is that they merge gameplay with pornographic and erotic content. The later content being more important than the former, but I think there is matter of preference.

As other here pointed out, if you just want pornography you don't need a game for that.
But if you only want story you also don't need a game for that, there is plenty of text, comic/hentai, movies or anime.


Games are about adding interactivity.
It can be a porn game if you add interactivity to porn. I don't think it can really be very interesting in itself, but I'm not an arcade type of game myself so it's probably that.

That is why I think the eroticism is the most important part of a game.


But for me gameplay is a part of narrative setup of a game a story can be told with it. Because of that it should match the story being told the same way it should in regular game.

Now in the context of a mostly amateur and semi-pro dominated adult game scene, I would say you don't get many people thinking about the setup they have in hand and crafting a game instead of making them.

If we can solidify the scene with better revenue systems (not being vulnerable to Patreon's and PayPal's whims) and creators finally pride themselves. We might have a true adult indie game scene.

And gamers know that indie games are good when it comes to think about their media and play with their codes.


TL;DR :
porn game = arcade game
erotic game = the rest of games
adult game scene need to mature into adult indie game scene.

 

[Ixiah]

Porn games don't need to have anything but some players need to realise not every game is aimed at them.

Example, see a game launch in RPGM and you don't like RPGM?

You are not target audience. Comments like "RPGM no download" just make you look like a moron.

See an NTR game and you hate NTR ..... You are not the target audience.

Every style of game has it's place. Some of us prefer RPG's, some prefer VN's, some prefer Unreal and some prefer Ren'py. All a game needs to do is entertain the people it's aimed at.

And all of this misses the point.
I was simply stating that mostly we play sub-par regular Games, with Sex scenes added.
If you like that, fine.
But that doesnt change my desire to play a Game where Porn is an more integral Part of the Game itself.

 

[Avaron1974]

And all of this misses the point.
I was simply stating that mostly we play sub-par regular Games, with Sex scenes added.
If you like that, fine.
But that doesnt change my desire to play a Game where Porn is an more integral Part of the Game itself.

No, it didn't miss the point.

I repeat not all games are for everyone. It doesn't change your desire, no but it doesn't change the fact that not every game is made for you.

 

[Ixiah]

No, it didn't miss the point.

I repeat not all games are for everyone. It doesn't change your desire, no but it doesn't change the fact that not every game is made for you.

So....what ?
The same goes for you as well, you dont have to play or produce the Games im looking for.
Honestly, whats the point you are making, im asking for Exotic Fruits and you are telling me not everyone likes Pears and Apples and that i simply shouldnt eat them.

 

[Avaron1974]

So....what ?
The same goes for you as well, you dont have to play or produce the Games im looking for.
Honestly, whats the point you are making, im asking for Exotic Fruits and you are telling me not everyone likes Pears and Apples and that i simply shouldnt eat them.

You asked a question and I answered. Now you're getting pissy because it wasn't the answer you were looking for.

 

[freedom.call]

I don't know what porn games need (apart from the obvious porn).

I love the fact there are a fair amount of games for every taste, even I've found around 30 I like playing!

 

[Finsit]

@Ixiah :
I reply to your question : Do Porngames need to have unrelated Gameplay ?

I'm saying that what you consider being unrelated is more often than not, in fact related.

I would agree it's unrelated in for example the case of a breakout clone that reveal an image once all the bricks are cleaned.
Here it's a totally unrelated gameplay.

But for a VN with choices it's integrally part of the erotic setup. For RPGM it could be, I had a blast with Overwhored.
As for trainer games or more loosely what you call management game well, I might point out that the football manager series is quite popular of PC I think the most popular genre in the football theme.
So grind or number could in their own right be played for fun.
An a good game really using that kind of systems as a erotic mean would be Free Cities for example.


@polywog: Nice analogy.

 

[Fliptoynk]

Sure why not? Me an my buddies played pipi & bibi's whoopee and we had a blast

 

[HopesGaming]

Gameplay for some can add to the immersion and give a bigger satisfaction for getting the scenes as rewards.
And for others it just feel like a bore and tedious.

Preferences.
Nothing wrong with having preferences.

Problems occur when someone becomes entitled and demand a game to be made the way he prefers.
Goes into the threads and rate it 1 star and talk shitery.
I'm never going to understand that mentality. It's just so odd. Still get those from time to time in my thread.

 

[Fliptoynk]

Problems occur when someone becomes entitled and demand a game to be made the way he prefers.
Goes into the threads and rate it 1 star and talk shitery.
I'm never going to understand that mentality. It's just so odd. Still get those from time to time in my thread.

Kinda unfair, huh?

I'm the exact opposite of who yo talkin about... For its good overview, genres, and screenshots, I rated the game 5 stars even though I haven't tried it nor downloaded it then WHAAAM!!!!
Warning for infraction...

 

[Ixiah]

Gameplay for some can add to the immersion and give a bigger satisfaction for getting the scenes as rewards.
And for others it just feel like a bore and tedious.

Preferences.
Nothing wrong with having preferences.

Problems occur when someone becomes entitled and demand a game to be made the way he prefers.
Goes into the threads and rate it 1 star and talk shitery.
I'm never going to understand that mentality. It's just so odd. Still get those from time to time in my thread.

And thats what i mean, i love to have Gameplay, but no matter how fun the rpg/sidescroller/vn can be on its own, it always feels disconnected from the Sex part.

 

[Finsit]

And thats what i mean, i love to have Gameplay, but no matter how fun the rpg/sidescroller/vn can be on its own, it always feels disconnected from the Sex part.

Well ye olde Meet'n Fuck series certainly don't fall into that disconnected category, do it ?