[HTML] Female Agent [v1.4.6] [Crushstation]

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Y'know, when you guys were talking about hypnosis before, I hope there's a way for the agent to break it if she went down that path. Instead of always being penalized and having to eventually give in to whatever conditioning she was under, if the agent makes enough choices that counters her conditioning, then shouldn't she be able to overcome it? It'd get easier over time to resist the conditioning and ultimately beat the suggestions that the hypnosis has placed unto her. Yes, like withdrawal, it's easier to cave in to your cravings (increasing penalties, grayed out options, etc. as mentioned), but continuing to resist and also breaking the conditioning after going through all those penalties should have its own rewards. Just throwing my cents out there on that topic.
Very good idea, @Back, thanks. I think that not having some way to beat the conditioning could cheapen the hypnosis content (although I think beating it should be difficult). I'll do my best to implement something like this.
 
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Ok, so a thing I have noticed in discussions on this is that the MC is a highly trained agent and thus it might be immersion-breaking for her to get into some situations. For example, she should be smart enough to recognise the danger signs that someone might try to take advantage of her, whether a landlord or just a prick in the street.

However, her cover is as a girl who may not recognise those same signs. So it could be fun to have some tension between what she knows and how she chooses to act in order to maintain her cover. Perhaps with consequences down the line if she acts too aware.

Does that make sense?
Right! So when she's seen to actually use her spy skills that could cause an increase in her Suspicion score. Love it.

"Hey, boss, you know that new American girl at the Hard Cock Cafe? The one that speaks Russian, Arabic and Chinese? I hear the other day she broke a mugger's wrist in the street."

"Hmmm."
 

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I feel like the interplay of knowingly submitting to stupid situations (kinda like the casting scene after the oceania contest) can create interesting situation that tick of a lot of humiliation kinks.

Same with the hypnosis content too, it'll be interesting to see her becoming aware of being hypnotised but being unable to stop it (yet). I kinda hope beating the hypnosis would be more of a challenge to beat too, rather than just repeated choosing the "right" option. It just feels a bit too much like an obvious solution? Maybe have her need to get some kind of mystical herb or get the help of someone else, and hence ironically being forced to degrade herself further just in order to free herself from the hypnosis? Maybe she even trusts the wrong person with her triggers and it leads to worse situations.
 

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Crush, I don't know if its been suggested or not but the sexual history seems a pretty empty tab at the moment. Any plans to expand upon it? Perhaps have it list scenes that you complete successfully such as "Won wet T-shirt contest" perhaps with embelishments like got naked, made our with girls on stage. "Shot Amatuer porn"
 

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I cannot recall if I voiced this or not before, but I am a little concerned with all these skills that could be unlocked depending on how you went about the game and during character generation. With so many, will they ever be meaningful? (Most haven't.) Or will the game continue to rely on a small set of factors or kinks? Or are these other skills/experiences just for aesthetic purposes?

If the broad range of skills are going to be taken into account and be meaningful, then it's possible that development will be quite the grind as it tries to factor in all the various ways the PC agent could resolve the different scenarios that she finds herself in and the consequences of those actions. The outcomes of which may or may not branch off in unexpected ways that requires further work (that few players might even ever see).

On the other hand, maybe all these skills and their proficiencies are kept in the game, and that there are times where they would be extremely useful. But will those situations be few and far in between? Will they need a certain level of proficiency in that skill? How do you deal with ways that would allow the player to overcome those situations in a positive or in a less-detrimental way--instead of outright "failing"--that doesn't have those skills (without it snowballing into issue after issue in similar future situations)?

Quite the rabbit hole, no? That's not even taking into account the RNG factor the game already incorporates. Don't get me wrong, the game is a very detailed character generator so far and I enjoyed that (despite the fleshed out background information appearing to be unused afterwards). However, very little of the nonsexual skills can be used after the PC agent agrees to go on her assignment. Am I just overthinking it and shouldn't be concerned? What are your opinions on the matter?
 

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Crush, I don't know if its been suggested or not but the sexual history seems a pretty empty tab at the moment. Any plans to expand upon it? Perhaps have it list scenes that you complete successfully such as "Won wet T-shirt contest" perhaps with embelishments like got naked, made our with girls on stage. "Shot Amatuer porn"
good suggestion(y) and maybe not too hard to implement
 
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Right! So when she's seen to actually use her spy skills that could cause an increase in her Suspicion score. Love it.

"Hey, boss, you know that new American girl at the Hard Cock Cafe? The one that speaks Russian, Arabic and Chinese? I hear the other day she broke a mugger's wrist in the street."

"Hmmm."
I just want to toss in a thought on this subject, not spy skills but combat skills. A fairly large number of people, male and female, go to Thailand to train Muay Thai and even MMA nowadays. Consider working in some content addressing MCs interested in "training" combat skills as part of their cover.
 
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I cannot recall if I voiced this or not before, but I am a little concerned with all these skills that could be unlocked depending on how you went about the game and during character generation. With so many, will they ever be meaningful?
I've had this thought as well but decided to wait how this develops. Considering how slow the writing part of development goes (compared to coding and artwork which has been the main focus for quite some time now) i honestly can't fathom how all these skills could possibly come into play meaningful in the story. It's just so much. So many conditions, variables and possible outcomes of scenarios and dialogue trees.

So i guess we'll see how this continues to develop but i'm honestly sceptical.
 
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Back and Ashburn: thanks for raising the questions about skills. One of the rules mechanics I'm pretty pleased with is that skills can increase the player's stats – which is not something I've seen in other RPG rule systems – so that (for example) levelling up in the Kickboxing skill can increase your Strength and (physical) Daring, and levelling up Cosplay can increase your Creativity and (social) Confidence.

So even skills that are unused aren't necessarily useless, because they indirectly affect your agent's overall capabilities. (In a way, that reflects something that I've read about actual spy recruitment and training: they seek generalists who can quickly improvise solutions to problems they've never encountered before.) If your choice of how to break into a building is between climbing up a drainpipe to an open third-floor window or bluffing your way past the security desk, your decision might be influenced by whether your agent was a kickboxer or a cosplayer at university (even though she won't actually make a Cosplay or a Kickboxing skill roll in this scene).

That said: the more skills are used directly in the story, the better. I hope that the presence of the skills will inspire writers to factor them in to their scenes and side quests.

For instance: imagine you're writing a foot chase through a crowded night market. Lots of Running rolls for the agent and the thugs on her tail, obviously, but maybe you suddenly remember we have a Ride Bicycle skill, too! You can now insert a decision point where the agent can choose to steal someone's bike to aid her escape, and now introduce some Cycling skill rolls to weave through the crowd at high speed. This is suddenly a much more interesting scene!

Note how this cool little scene might have been hard to invent without the presence of the Ride Bicycle skill, and would certainly have been hard to implement in a way that felt exciting or fair without the skill. (Either deciding to steal the bike would succeed automatically – not exciting – or it would succeed or fail based on some kind of arbitrary random factor – not fair.)
 

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I just want to toss in a thought on this subject, not spy skills but combat skills. A fairly large number of people, male and female, go to Thailand to train Muay Thai and even MMA nowadays. Consider working in some content addressing MCs interested in "training" combat skills as part of their cover.
I definitely do want to include a Muay Thai camp as a location in Thailand. I hadn't considered that her learning MMA could be a good way to reduce Suspicion but it's a great idea (and easy to implement), so thanks!
 
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Crush, I don't know if its been suggested or not but the sexual history seems a pretty empty tab at the moment. Any plans to expand upon it? Perhaps have it list scenes that you complete successfully such as "Won wet T-shirt contest" perhaps with embelishments like got naked, made our with girls on stage. "Shot Amatuer porn"
Good idea, 0ne, thanks! I do intend to build out the sexual history tab as I think it's going to be an important way to keep track of the agent's adventure. I really like the idea of memorialising specific events here, like cheevos on the Xbox. :D
 

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I feel like the interplay of knowingly submitting to stupid situations (kinda like the casting scene after the oceania contest) can create interesting situation that tick of a lot of humiliation kinks.

Same with the hypnosis content too, it'll be interesting to see her becoming aware of being hypnotised but being unable to stop it (yet). I kinda hope beating the hypnosis would be more of a challenge to beat too, rather than just repeated choosing the "right" option. It just feels a bit too much like an obvious solution? Maybe have her need to get some kind of mystical herb or get the help of someone else, and hence ironically being forced to degrade herself further just in order to free herself from the hypnosis? Maybe she even trusts the wrong person with her triggers and it leads to worse situations.
Good observations, quauwdsi, thanks for sharing them.
 

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Old saves dont work. Is that always like this with each update?
Yeah I'm afraid that whenever we change something major, it breaks your saves from the last version. This is likely to continue for some time, but hopefully will settle down soon.
 

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So even skills that are unused aren't necessarily useless, because they indirectly affect your agent's overall capabilities.
There are few things that are important in designing role-playing game mechanics like skills:
1. More skills you have - the less important and weaker each individual skill become.
2. It is much easier to confuse a player if you have a lot of skills and player have no real ability to determine how useful each individual skill is.


So a good way to design a skill system for an RPG (of any kind) is to determine what a character would do in the game and then split everything that he or she would do in more or less equal parts and assign a skill to each part. You (as far as I can see in the game) used an opposite approach - you look at what you character would learn in her life and created skills from that. It is not really a good way, it just create a lot of clutter and trap options for the players.

For example: you have multiple firearms handling skills in your game which make very little sense because of thematic of your game. Heroine is not supposed to use guns during her assignment, she clearly will not have a lot of opportunities to use different guns, so how much better she is at handling M4 automatic carabine in comparison with her abilities with Glock 17 pistol or with a random sniper rifle is entirely irrelevant.
 

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Thanks cd13. My goal is to make Bangkok an open world experience that supports content written by others (i.e. side quests written by fans or hired writers). So with the RPG system, I actively tried not to limit the skills to ones that I anticipate using myself.

I think your observation about the granularity of skills is correct and it's something I've struggled with. With firearms specifically, I've reduced it to 3 skills: Sidearm, Longarm and Sniper. There's an argument for reducing those to a single Shooting skill, but that felt a little too simple when I considered it.

In terms of combat in the story, action scenes are in fact a popular user request! One fan has already contributed a complex action scene for Operators who get deployed to Syria, so agents may get to put quite a few rounds through an M4. :)
 

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My goal is to make Bangkok an open world experience that supports content written by others.
Is that the actual plan? I've read several posts on F95 and elsewhere that touched on it or inferred to that before, but I do not recall anything definitive.

I, for one, typically do not enjoy a work with multiple authors as the "voice" of the narrative tends to become disjointed. They become irregular and asymmetrical not only in tone, but in quality and even with the diction used. For instance, going from one writing style to another and then back again is an unpleasant, jarring experience especially if there's a great omission in the details we've come to expect in this project. Plus, with multiple authors you run the real risk of having less continuity in the plot--whether it be from past content or planned future content.

On the other hand, if you're just taking in ideas and reworking them into your project, then that's fine. I even welcome that. They're nice to have. You can do other plotlines you may never even considered, or have things pointed out to you regarding something you've overlooked or were less knowledgeable on. And when you feel like you're in a slump, then perhaps these ideas from other people with different life experiences and perspectives will inspire you to pen something awesome.

In my opinion, however, I generally believe having too many hands in the pot for a narrative project like this is a bad idea especially from fans. But, if you're going to outsource, then having a small team that can all get on the same sheet of music is the way to go, I believe. Frankly, I don't have any faith in the quality of any additions from random contributors.

One fan has already contributed a complex action scene for Operators who get deployed to Syria, so agents may get to put quite a few rounds through an M4.
This sounds interesting. Review it, edit it, and rework it into the story so there is a smooth transition from the existing work, and then afterwards.
 
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