VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [S1 v0.85c] [NeonGhosts]

[ffive]

Yeah especially said character been gone for most of the game. So either gonna have to do a rushed job or spend alot of Season 2 building her up for it to make a bit of sense imo for a non Dark Path.

The game already been building Cassie up for half of its length. Both in how she's supposedly completely attached to Guy when he was taking care of her, and explicitly showing you multiple instances of Guy potentially being obsessed with his little sister, starting as early as Ch.2

If people are clamoring for Cassie content it's because the game has already generated plenty of interest in her, with regular mentions of her at least once per chapter.

(now, if you have somehow ignored all that and for you the character "has no buildup" then that's fine, but i'd say this is more on how you parsed the game, and what you paid (and didn't pay) attention to, than on the game itself)

 

[Pixillin']

The game already been building Cassie up for half of its length. Both in how she's supposedly completely attached to Guy when he was taking care of her, and explicitly showing you multiple instances of Guy potentially being obsessed with his little sister, starting as early as Ch.2

If people are clamoring for Cassie content it's because the game has already generated plenty of interest in her, with regular mentions of her at least once per chapter.

(now, if you have somehow ignored all that and for you the character "has no buildup" then that's fine, but i'd say this is more on how you parsed the game, and what you paid (and didn't pay) attention to, than on the game itself)

Yeah, it's been built up for awhile. I don't see how you could miss it if you weren't using the skip button. It's sort of an obsession with Guy. However, I personally am not that interested. I mean, I'll do my best to be a good big brother and that's about where my plans for Cassie end.

 

[NeonGhosts]

Just ignore them Neon, we totally get it.

Anyways did you read my comments on jealousy and monogamy? I mentioned that we should have multiple endings for this game, like a good end and a bad end for each path, I don't want the dark path to just end in a bad ending, it would be nice to have a good ending too for it.

Also I mentioned that the acceptance of polygamy should be an issue for the girls, especially girls who are not dependent on Guy like Ashe, Cassie, Britanni and so on. Other girls who are financially dependent on Guy can begrudgingly accept it but it would be nice to see their moments of jealousy too, like Nicki, Mason, and Viola.

I think it should depend on how dependent they are on Guy and his money and how invested they are with him emotionally but it should not be common and there should be some hard choices to make when choosing which girl to end up with. For replayability purposes and also because that's more realistic. I would like to end up with Cassie tbh if I had to pick. And jealousy is another aspect that is so common in relationships but most adult games just go from "I want us to be together" to "oh you have been sleeping with other women behind my back? No problem".

It's just so weird there should be like genuine outburst and I would love seeing scenes of 2 girls you sleep with competing and literally having hostile interactions with each other due to their involvement with you.

I've given a lot of thought to how to ultimately end things, and I plan to have a lllllot of different factors impact the ending. I wouldn't be super surprised if I didn't need a full dev cycle, just to do the ending scenes. So, don't worry about a lack of variety. I'm already experimenting with this a bit for some new material at the end of Season 1, which basically shows where all the love interests are, while Guy's in jail, depending on the choices you've made.

As for the love interests' reaction to Guy cheating or going for non-monogamous arrangements.. That'll also vary. There's one character I'm explicitly writing as polyamorous, and Risa's already said she doesn't really care who Guy sleeps with. Characters that're in a girlfriend arrangement with you, will likely be hurt if you go outside the relationship. Characters that are mostly just sleeping with you out of mutual interest or because you're offering them something, probably won't much care if you're sleeping around.

I've already caused a minor kerfuffle when I said I have no immediate plans for a harem path. The reason for that being that I just can't rationalize a good way to write it, where it'd make any kind of sense. So, there will be opportunities for threesomes and such, and in those arrangements we might see more interaction between love interests, varying from jealousy to camaraderie. But, I don't want to over-promise and under-deliver. Just know that it is something I've thought about.

 

[Dessolos]

The game already been building Cassie up for half of its length. Both in how she's supposedly completely attached to Guy when he was taking care of her, and explicitly showing you multiple instances of Guy potentially being obsessed with his little sister, starting as early as Ch.2

If people are clamoring for Cassie content it's because the game has already generated plenty of interest in her, with regular mentions of her at least once per chapter.

(now, if you have somehow ignored all that and for you the character "has no buildup" then that's fine, but i'd say this is more on how you parsed the game, and what you paid (and didn't pay) attention to, than on the game itself)

Yeah, it's been built up for awhile. I don't see how you could miss it if you weren't using the skip button. It's sort of an obsession with Guy. However, I personally am not that interested. I mean, I'll do my best to be a good big brother and that's about where my plans for Cassie end.

I think it depends what counts as build up to you for me it has no build up character wise. For me it's nothing other than awaiting / can't wait for her to show up. I see it more as anticipation than build up because guy kind of just sent 1 letter and bought a swimsuit and that is it from what I can recall until show shows up. Unless I forgot a scene or something. I saw the build up as something only on Guy's end because of how he is anxious and obsessed with making things right and reconnecting. But for Cassie I didn't see any.

 

[Ragnar]

The game already been building Cassie up for half of its length. Both in how she's supposedly completely attached to Guy when he was taking care of her, and explicitly showing you multiple instances of Guy potentially being obsessed with his little sister, starting as early as Ch.2

If people are clamoring for Cassie content it's because the game has already generated plenty of interest in her, with regular mentions of her at least once per chapter.

(now, if you have somehow ignored all that and for you the character "has no buildup" then that's fine, but i'd say this is more on how you parsed the game, and what you paid (and didn't pay) attention to, than on the game itself)

Obssesed with Cassie? Lol no, if anything she should be angry with him because Guy has been m.i.a since his College days.
Guy's trying to retake the relationship with her now that he has his own shit together.

 

[Pixillin']

I think it depends what counts as build up to you for me it has no build up character wise. For me it's nothing other than awaiting / can't wait for her to show up. I see it more as anticipation than build up because guy kind of just sent 1 letter and bought a swimsuit and that is it from what I can recall until show shows up. Unless I forgot a scene or something. I saw the build up as something only on Guy's end because of how he is anxious and obsessed with making things right and reconnecting. But for Cassie I didn't see any.

We haven't really gotten anything from Cassie's POV yet. That's coming in Chapter 11. It would have been kinda weird if Neon kept cutting to Cassie scenes to show how she felt about things. There has been an ongoing mystery about exactly what happened in Guys family that alienated him from everyone though.

 

[MagicMan753]

I've given a lot of thought to how to ultimately end things, and I plan to have a lllllot of different factors impact the ending. I wouldn't be super surprised if I didn't need a full dev cycle, just to do the ending scenes. So, don't worry about a lack of variety. I'm already experimenting with this a bit for some new material at the end of Season 1, which basically shows where all the love interests are, while Guy's in jail, depending on the choices you've made.

As for the love interests' reaction to Guy cheating or going for non-monogamous arrangements.. That'll also vary. There's one character I'm explicitly writing as polyamorous, and Risa's already said she doesn't really care who Guy sleeps with. Characters that're in a girlfriend arrangement with you, will likely be hurt if you go outside the relationship. Characters that are mostly just sleeping with you out of mutual interest or because you're offering them something, probably won't much care if you're sleeping around.

I've already caused a minor kerfuffle when I said I have no immediate plans for a harem path. The reason for that being that I just can't rationalize a good way to write it, where it'd make any kind of sense. So, there will be opportunities for threesomes and such, and in those arrangements we might see more interaction between love interests, varying from jealousy to camaraderie. But, I don't want to over-promise and under-deliver. Just know that it is something I've thought about.

Very interesting, will there be multiple girls who can be in the girlfriend stage and the other girl/girls accept them based on who it is. (Besides Risa and the girl you are writing to be poly.)

For example, we know Nikki has an issue with Alex, or Ashe with Nikki, but could we see them be OK with a certain other girl or girls. Like maybe a true throuple or maybe even foursome relationship. Maybe they are a little hesitant at first. But then they maybe accept a certain second/or third relationship.

Just curious how this could go.

 

[Dessolos]

We haven't really gotten anything from Cassie's POV yet. That's coming in Chapter 11. It would have been kinda weird if Neon kept cutting to Cassie scenes to show how she felt about things. There has been an ongoing mystery about exactly what happened in Guys family that alienated him from everyone though.

yeah im fully expecting some real build up in Ch 11 and onwards now. Since for me it was more just anticipation

As for the love interests' reaction to Guy cheating or going for non-monogamous arrangements.. That'll also vary. There's one character I'm explicitly writing as polyamorous, and Risa's already said she doesn't really care who Guy sleeps with.

I actually forgot about Risa saying that. I was always under the impression Risa didn't care but secretly does care if you treat her right. Kind of like if you don't sleep with her in the motel but wait till you are at her house. It feels more romantic and some Risa appreciates and was probably the start of something more serious for Risa where she might not want to share. While opposed to the motel she wouldn't care

 

[ffive]

I think it depends what counts as build up to you for me it has no build up character wise. For me it's nothing other than awaiting / can't wait for her to show up. I see it more as anticipation than build up because guy kind of just sent 1 letter and bought a swimsuit and that is it from what I can recall until show shows up. Unless I forgot a scene or something. I saw the build up as something only on Guy's end because of how he is anxious and obsessed with making things right and reconnecting. But for Cassie I didn't see any.

We've only seen Guy's side of things so yes, there's nothing that we'd see from Cassie's side, but this is no different from any other character --- e.g. we don't get to see the 8+ months Nicki spent away from Guy from her perspective either. Heck, we don't even see the previous years those two spent interacting from Nicki's perspective. Just as we don't really see perspective of any other character (save for brief instances where Guy may overhear others, but, again, that's technically Guy's POV too) It's only ever Guy's thoughts, Guy's emotions and at best the things he is told by the others.

And just like Guy tells you about how great friends he's been with Nicki when they worked at the retail store together, he also tells you (and others in game) how close he's been with Cassie until he's abandoned his family. He also tells you, the player, how he's been trying to follow her through her socials afterwards and how he's doing it to this day (the game actually shows you him checking up on Cassie regularly) You see the flashbacks he's having about her, and all sorts of thoughts and desires he can have about her, as well.

All this clearly establishes strong emotional attachment Guy, the character in the game, has to his little sister. And from what we're told, it at least used to be the case how his sister felt about him. Now, Guy doesn't know if this is still the case, but that's what we'd eventually find out.

 

[Pixillin']

Very interesting, will there be multiple girls who can be in the girlfriend stage and the other girl/girls accept them based on who it is. (Besides Risa and the girl you are writing to be poly.)

For example, we know Nikki has an issue with Alex, or Ashe with Nikki, but could we see them be OK with a certain other girl or girls. Like maybe a true throuple or maybe even foursome relationship. Maybe they are a little hesitant at first. But then they maybe accept a certain second/or third relationship.

Just curious how this could go.

As of the end of season 1, I don't really see it. I can see most of the girls being down for a threesome - as in a one-off night of fun but don't see most of them being cool with an poly-throuple situation. First, it would help if she was bi - and I don't think any of the main li are. Second it would have to be someone she liked and third the Li would have to be comfortable enough with her relationship with Guy to not feel jealous or threatened by it (Plus 4 I guess she would have to be not terribly conservative in her overall outlook - which I think eliminates Viola and Carolina for example). Mason might go for it, if you keep him in pet mode but that's about it.

 

[ffive]

As of the end of season 1, I don't really see it. I can see most of the girls being down for a threesome - as in a one-off night of fun but don't see most of them being cool with an poly-throuple situation.

As far as "Season 1" goes there's only like literally two girls who could even claim they're potentially in a relationship with Guy, and that's Nicki and Ashe. It feels completely premature to talk who would or wouldn't be cool with anything, when most of them didn't even come anywhere close to what one would call established relationship, and we have zero clue what their views on it would be like (or if they even want one)

 

[ffive]

Obssesed with Cassie? Lol no, if anything she should be angry with him because Guy has been m.i.a since his College days.
Guy's trying to retake the relationship with her now that he has his own shit together.

Cassie being potentially angry with Guy doesn't mean he can't be attached to and/or obsessed with her, something we can observe (and potentially influence).

On Cassie's end, people can have very different reactions to being abandoned. Some will be angry yes, while others can pine for the person who abandoned them all the more. Or have some combination of those feelings.

 

[Pixillin']

As far as "Season 1" goes there's only like literally two girls who could even claim they're potentially in a relationship with Guy, and that's Nicki and Ashe. It feels completely premature to talk who would or wouldn't be cool with anything, when most of them didn't even come anywhere close to what one would call established relationship, and we have zero clue what their views on it would be like (or if they even want one)

That's true, but we did get some insight into their overall personalities and sort-of outlook on life. The only way I can see it happening is if you're basically playing sugar daddy to multiple women - which is a different kind of relationship. Nicki is both jealous, and protective - maybe over protective of Guy and shows no sign of being into women at all. Ashe is kinky but still seems like she would want her boyfriend/partner to be just hers (but could be open to a one - night threesome or two here and there, just for fun.) Brittany and Gaby both seem like they're still in a sort of high school relationship mode, where you have A boyfriend and anything else is cheating. Carolina, and Viola both seem cautious and conservative. Mason is pretty open to whatever, but he's still in a mindset where sex is transactional and it's the only real currency he has. Risa might be up for it, but if you're with Risa you're on shaky ground in every way. She is not stable.

 

[Ragnar]

Cassie being potentially angry with Guy doesn't mean he can't be attached to and/or obsessed with her, something we can observe (and potentially influence).

On Cassie's end, people can have very different reactions to being abandoned. Some will be angry yes, while others can pine for the person who abandoned them all the more. Or have some combination of those feelings.

That's not my point, you don't cut contact with the person you're obsessed about. Iirc Cassie is first mentioned when Guy takes Ashe to his home. He explains to Ashe that he's trying to rekindle his relationship with his little sister after being years away from their home.
Neon can write an incest story between them if he wants but so far there is no relationship of any kind to talk about.

 

[MagicMan753]

That's true, but we did get some insight into their overall personalities and sort-of outlook on life. The only way I can see it happening is if you're basically playing sugar daddy to multiple women - which is a different kind of relationship. Nicki is both jealous, and protective - maybe over protective of Guy and shows no sign of being into women at all. Ashe is kinky but still seems like she would want her boyfriend/partner to be just hers (but could be open to a one - night threesome or two here and there, just for fun.) Brittany and Gaby both seem like they're still in a sort of high school relationship mode, where you have A boyfriend and anything else is cheating. Carolina, and Viola both seem cautious and conservative. Mason is pretty open to whatever, but he's still in a mindset where sex is transactional and it's the only real currency he has. Risa might be up for it, but if you're with Risa you're on shaky ground in every way. She is not stable.

Yeah, we did get some insight into their personalities, but who's to say they can't change. Like Ashe, maybe that threesome can turn into something else. Maybe she will be more willing to share or have a throuple with Wren or one of the blondes. Pick the right dialogue, and Nicki even hints at being ok with girls, just not Alex. I feel like jumping the gun and saying for the younger girls its relationship or cheating, nothing else, is pretty presumptuous. Not Going to go through all the girls, but same thing can occur for them.

I see potential evolution in them, maybe they will be OK with certain girls, maybe they will be more accepting of certain situations, even in the romance path, depending on who and how things play out.

I think just assuming no one will be open to throuples or poly, or other multiple girl relationships on romance paths is just wrong. I think some girls can evolve, personalities are not stagnant, they change, they grow, so I could see many girls possibly accepting relationships like this depending on the girl.

 

[ffive]

Nicki is both jealous, and protective - maybe over protective of Guy and shows no sign of being into women at all.

I think it's worth to remember that Nicki is also pretty insecure, eager to please and folds easily under pressure (see: Brent and her alleged dating experiences before Brent) Not to mention she doesn't technically have to be in relationship with Guy, but merely act as outlet for his sexual urges as part of her "assistant" deal. It's not very hard to see her put up with being a part of a wider arrangement with a belief that's the best she can have, if you don't go out of your way to build her confidence up. And i could see Ashe finding this scenario with her boyfriend having a "sex pet secretary" as pretty hot, so long as she feels she's the actual girlfriend.

As for the others, like i said, i have yet to see that they're even interested at all in a relationship with a guy decade their senior. Not including Caroline here -- in her case i think it's fair to expect she'd want a regular relationship, if for no other reason than her daughter's stability.

That's not my point, you don't cut contact with the person you're obsessed about.

Oh, that's something that can actually happen in many ways and for number of reasons. Being obsessed with someone doesn't automatically mean you'd never stay away. Be it out of consideration, guilt, being cut off by the other party, technical/financial reasons, the list goes on.

 

[Dessolos]

Yeah, we did get some insight into their personalities, but who's to say they can't change. Like Ashe, maybe that threesome can turn into soemthing else. Maybe she will be more willing to share or have a throuple with Wren or her blonde. Pick the right dialogue, and Nicki even hints at being ok with girls, just not Alex. I feel like jumping the gun and saying for the younger girls its relationship or cheating, nothing else. Not Going to go through all the girls.

I see potential evolution in them, maybe they will be OK with certain girls, maybe they will be mlre accepting of certain situations, even in romance path, depending on who and how things play out.

I think just assuming no one will be open to throuples or poly, or other multiple girl relationships on romance paths is just wrong. I think some girls can evolve, personalities are not stagnant, they change, they grow, so I could see many girls possibly accepting relationships like this depending on the girl.

I think Ashe might be one of the easier ones to talk into threesome / poly cause of how kinky she is and she feels like she is pretty open sexually. Just got to prove to her she can fully trust us and we will never cheat on her or do something she doesn't like. I think her issue might be more not that she is jealous of Nicki but rather she doesn't want to lose us to another girl.

 

[Pixillin']

Yeah, we did get some insight into their personalities, but who's to say they can't change. Like Ashe, maybe that threesome can turn into something else. Maybe she will be more willing to share or have a throuple with Wren or one of the blondes. Pick the right dialogue, and Nicki even hints at being ok with girls, just not Alex. I feel like jumping the gun and saying for the younger girls its relationship or cheating, nothing else, is pretty presumptuous. Not Going to go through all the girls, but same thing can occur for them.

I see potential evolution in them, maybe they will be OK with certain girls, maybe they will be more accepting of certain situations, even in the romance path, depending on who and how things play out.

I think just assuming no one will be open to throuples or poly, or other multiple girl relationships on romance paths is just wrong. I think some girls can evolve, personalities are not stagnant, they change, they grow, so I could see many girls possibly accepting relationships like this depending on the girl.

I think you're used to porn logic in these things and you're mainly engaging in wishful thinking. Neon tends to avoid porn logic, at least so far. Maybe there will be a throuple path but I have no idea with who. This isn't one of those games where you get to play build a bear with your relationships and pick whoever you want. But I don't see much happening in a harem direction outside the dark path, where you're controlling them with money and they mostly hate you. (And at least to me, having a harem of women around who hate you is not an excellent life-choice.)

 

[Ragnar]

I think it's worth to remember that Nicki is also pretty insecure, eager to please and folds easily under pressure (see: Brent and her alleged dating experiences before Brent) Not to mention she doesn't technically have to be in relationship with Guy, but merely act as outlet for his sexual urges as part of her "assistant" deal. It's not very hard to see her put up with being a part of a wider arrangement with a belief that's the best she can have, if you don't go out of your way to build her confidence up. And i could see Ashe finding this scenario with her boyfriend having a "sex pet secretary" as pretty hot, so long as she feels she's the actual girlfriend.

As for the others, like i said, i have yet to see that they're even interested at all in a relationship with a guy decade their senior. Not including Caroline here -- in her case i think it's fair to expect she'd want a regular relationship, if for no other reason than her daughter's stability.


Oh, that's something that can actually happen in many ways and for number of reasons. Being obsessed with someone doesn't automatically mean you'd never stay away. Be it out of consideration, guilt, being cut off by the other party, technical/financial reasons, the list goes on.

Sure, but that's fanfiction not what we can read in FiN so far.

 

[Pixillin']

I think it's worth to remember that Nicki is also pretty insecure, eager to please and folds easily under pressure (see: Brent and her alleged dating experiences before Brent) Not to mention she doesn't technically have to be in relationship with Guy, but merely act as outlet for his sexual urges as part of her "assistant" deal. It's not very hard to see her put up with being a part of a wider arrangement with a belief that's the best she can have, if you don't go out of your way to build her confidence up. And i could see Ashe finding this scenario with her boyfriend having a "sex pet secretary" as pretty hot, so long as she feels she's the actual girlfriend.

Yeah, but then you're on the darker/controlling/corruption side. It's not a romantic throuple relationship, it's you dominating and controlling them.