Seeking Games like Kingdom of Deception (no VN)

[Pretentious Goblin]

I'm looking for one or more of the elements that make the early game of KoD special:

- Renowned MC being humiliated / degraded
- Reluctant sex work, including and especially exhibitionism (stripping, dancing, etc.)
- Strong MC in a vulnerable position (but no / avoidable rape)
- Brutish males that MC looks down on

I can come up with several games that have each, but nothing quite like KoD. I guess Makina comes closest. So on the off chance that someone has played KoD and knows what I'm talking about, any more like that would be appreciated. And no, not Karryn's Prison, they ruin it with the hokey dialogue and convoluted combat / sex. And I already know Third Crisis, it's decent.

 

[crnisl]

Thank you for your requests in general, and this one in particular. You express in your requests things that I like but hadn't formulated for myself.


Unfortunately, I can't really recommend anything specific to you. Here's a couple of games you haven't played, but they also don't quite fit what you're looking for.

Have you tried creating a character in an AI chat or something like that and running an "adventure" with them? You can try this one, for example,

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, it gives free credits every day + for money, you can use powerful models like Gemini. In any case, if you already have experience with suchlike things, it would be interesting if you could share your thoughts and know-how.

• Luna in the Tavern comes close, with Luna's (Luna is a famous char in DOTA, and she's treated like kinda celebrity in this story) reluctant lewd work and very avoidable rape. But the writing could be better, I guess, especially in regard to the reluctance theme. And most likely the gameplay is not what you want. Even though it's not tagged as a vn, it's not rpg or anything, just a story-clicker with choices.

• The Crimson Demonslayer I've already recommended it to you. The strong FMC is using the succubus ring to restore her full power, so she has to perform lewd things that are getting escalated, because her common sense is getting corrupted. There's no real rape because FMC is actually always in control. I guess that's not properly responding to your request, because no real humiliation and reluctance, with this emotionless fetish, right? Still, the game is exactly strong-renowned-FMC flaunting-dedicated. Quite short and essentially an rpgmaker-based vn, but at least, no grinding.

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

Thank you for your requests in general, and this one in particular. You express in your requests things that I like but hadn't formulated for myself.
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Love the comic, that's the theme I'm going for (though obviously with progression). Unfortunately the games don't fit for one reason or another. As for the AI suggestion, I only have experience with NovelAI and my impression is it takes some effort to get decent outputs, especially for a longer story and multiple characters.

 

[crnisl]

Unfortunately the games don't fit for one reason or another.

The core reason is that you're pursuing the vibe of a "reverse trainer", and these games don't provide it.

Female-cop-undercover games ( Female Agent / Officer Chloe: Operation Infiltration ) come closer, with their signature reluctant sex work for the males that FMC looks down on. But these games lack FMC neither being renowned (undercover, and anyway not a celebrity), nor really strong. As well, the FMC is not really much humiliated deliberately, it's just a sleazy work. So, this is like a bleak and watered-down version of what you're actually looking for.

Fashion Business with its bar/prostituion/escort works is essentially on the same level. We trade the lil bit of the cop-power for FMC being a celebrity, but it doesn't mean much, 'cause she's either undercover, or anyway her celebrity status is not used in an interesting way most of the time. At least, lots of content, and her bitchy character is somewhat a captivating feature.

Luna Reloaded could be rated a bit higher, with FMC being a strong bitch and (optionally) providing her reluctant sex services to the brutish men that she looks down on. Sure, we would like the FMC being more celebrity, but the nostalgic vibe of the old amazon movies like Red Sonja and Xena redeems this flaw a bit. Alas, not much of the content so far, and it's just a visual novel. Luna's Fall from Grace, its prequel, is completed and has more content, but it's less fitting to the request.

Fallen Paladin seems more fitting. I felt it like Pyorgara's Soldier's Life+Corrupting The Priestess taken together, but from the other side. FMC is both strong and renowned, she's reluctant and always stays the mean-angry bitch, she's providing her reluctant sex services to the men she despises, and she's doing exhibitionist things. It could be a great game if it was more developed - more events, more outfits, more story, more choices, etc. Alas, as it is, it's far from being on par with KoD.

Love the comic, that's the theme I'm going for (though obviously with progression).

Do you know any suchlike comic/manga/stories/anime, with a proper progression?

The japanese makers tend to jump at raping the strong-famous-bitchy "Princess-Knight" in a hurried way, and the further progression tend to be about gangbangs and animals and tentacles, quite boring.

I like the art and characters of Taira Hajime and Mukai Masayoshi, for example, with the slender proportions and classical fantasy. But their works bear this problem.

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

Yeah, Female Agent was pretty good and having meaningful choices definitely helped, I should check it out sometime if there's something new. Chloe has unavoidable rape and mediocre dialogue.

FB could be better with sharper dialogue. It tries to have a dynamic similar to Gloria in ioY getting blackmailed into this or that and throwing a fit about it, but it doesn't really land, and the sex scenes are especially weakly written. The grind gets diabolical too.

Luna Reloaded I checked out briefly, but with it being a VN and the dialogue being kinda stilted from the outset (who speaks the other person's name every other sentence?) I gave up on it quickly. I dunno, maybe it deserves another chace.

Do you know any suchlike comic/manga/stories/anime, with a proper progression?

There's

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that has the "strong independent company exec turned into the office bimbo" plot. It's decent, but I got put off by the extraneous cuckold stuff.

Then there's

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, which has probably the juiciest gonzo erotic prose I've seen, and has most of the themes with the mom, and somewhat with the feminist GF too. It's another cuck story, but with the mom it's more about breaking down her "strict principal" persona. It's hurt only a little by the corruption being almost supernatural, with the corruptor being basically a sex god that doesn't have to do much of anything to reduce the girls' brains to mush. The writing sells it though imo.

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does the reluctant sex-work very well with tons of content, and with the optional Overboss scenes in the Nora route it also brings some sweet defilement of MC's and former life and professional pride, what's left of it at that point. I wish it had more support for MC being played as a seasoned wastelander rather than just someone trying to escape danger, but it does have a breadth of other RP options, including being resistant.

Slutcraft definitely qualifies as a reverse trainer, has a strong MC, has reluctance without rape, and the early game is pretty strong, but where it fails is the males. I hated how Stukov was written, and wished it was just the alien environment corrupting MC.

Naked Ambition is another reverse trainer with a haughty VIP MC and it's well-written, but it lacks fine control, being driven at least 50% by RNG with the card draws and randomized event order. It can also spring surprise-sex on MC, but I imagine it can be avoided if you know what stats to train. I still don't know how good the progression is, but it starts out decent with the Vizier scenes.

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

I just remembered a story series mostly about royalty becoming submissive to orcs, with a lot of intrigue and politics and war and stuff along the way. I never took the time to get into it, but the ones I read fit most of the criteria.

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[crnisl]

Thanks for your recommendations.

There's

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that has the "strong independent company exec turned into the office bimbo" plot. It's decent, but I got put off by the extraneous cuckold stuff.

I recall that I kinda liked "Jessica's Change Mangement" about a business exec being blackmailed and gradually bimbofied.

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And there was "The Fall" by Ichasennin about Rin and Saber (from Fate/Stay Night) being gradually brainwashed and corrupted. It is a quite well written and voluminous story. The beginnings for each of them fits your criteria, but once they're getting properly brainwashed, the story becomes not so interesting imho.

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[Eliza12]

Can't think of anything really close to KoD, but here are a few with some of the elements you listed, mainly renowned MC being humiliated/degraded and strong MC in a vulnerable position.

One of the routes in Fran and Sinner’s Island, Lilitales also for one of the routes, Violated Heroine Serena route (probably the closed to KoD in terms of scenes), Witch of Steel Annerose, Breakthrough - The Seven Azure Flesh Pots (official translation releases in 5 days), The Survival of Sarah Rose, A New Dawn, Knight & Princess, ONEONE1 games on fallen routes.

 

[Heritor]

I'm looking for one or more of the elements that make the early game of KoD special:

- Renowned MC being humiliated / degraded
- Reluctant sex work, including and especially exhibitionism (stripping, dancing, etc.)

Have had this thread pointed out to me. Off the top of my head you could try the KoD developer Hreinn Games earlier effort Noxian Nights if you can get on with RPG maker games (heroine is a betrayed war veteran forced to lie low in occupied town), and also potentially Anduo Games' Third Crisis (heroine is a superhero transported to the future where evil has won forced to lie low in pervert town).

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

Have had this thread pointed out to me. Off the top of my head you could try the KoD developer Hreinn Games earlier effort Noxian Nights if you can get on with RPG maker games (heroine is a betrayed war veteran forced to lie low in occupied town), and also potentially Anduo Games' Third Crisis (heroine is a superhero transported to the future where evil has won forced to lie low in pervert town).

Yeah, I'm aware of them. NN I didn't like that it basically forced the initial H, whereas KoD lets you choose. TC is good, but tonally lighter than KoD.

 

[HeelsMaiden]

Another undercover policewoman game, this time the job of the female agent is to pretend to be a civilian inside trains to catch molesters. It's still only a trial but looks promising.
https://f95zone.to/threads/chikan-undercover-agent-rina-v0-07-trial-metamorphose.234500/

It's probably only a slight overlap with what you want but I'll drop it here anyway because the gameplay is somewhat more interesting than the average adult games. Reminds me of Karryn's Prison gameplay a bit but roguelike and simplified.