That's all well and good, but that's not the question I was asking. Rather than saying "is this game measurably better than Fenoxo's stuff" I was asking "is there some way of knowing if Fenoxo's games (really by extension ANY porn games) are actually as well known as they appear to be."
Whoops, my bad.
First, I misreaded the other guy (I thought he was implying that LT was one of the 2 games, instead he was talking about CoC and TiTs -I guess?-).
Thinking that, I thought you were asking why LT should be considered good.
English sin't my first language, and sometimes I rush and get confused, sorry.
On second read, the other guy also says "well-known" not "best games", which it's a completely different matter.
My apologies again *blush¨*
The answer I anticipated was for someone to point out how much money Fenoxo pulls in. I was looking, though, for some objective comparison of the size of his fanbase against the entire community of people who would play a porn game. The community of people who play a lot of Japanese RPGMaker treadmill stuff, for instance, seems not to overlap as much as I would've expected with folks who play all those English-language 3D VN games in the "popular games" section. I frankly am not sure that appropriate data has ever been collected.
It just gets me thinking about how many porn game players there are, how much of that "market" Fenoxo is actually capturing, and what really makes for a "popular" porn game as opposed to a "high quality" game. There's no industry association for pornographic video game developers, which I guess would be who normally tries to determine all of that stuff. For at least some developers, it'd be useful to know who they could be selling their game to that they aren't. Maybe the "industry" is large enough for there to be one now. I mean, hell, actual real-world pornography producers have trade associations and even conventions, but then again their market is (I assume) at least thousands of times larger than this one. But there's really no way to know right now.
I think I understand what you mean this time.
From what I've seen on different forums... yeah, "overlapping" is not that common.
One might think that a "porn gamer" might be more diverse, but seems like not.
Just following your RPGmaker example, I've seen peopel ask for furry stuff, get directed to Fenoxo, and they didn't had a clue because "it's not their thing". And most of the time, the answer it's "but it's just text". I've seen also more than one discussion starting because "pics or it didn't happens"... those that seem to NEED graphics (CGs, 3D or pixel art) and those that claim that text is better because you use your imagination.
Fenoxo and Co., if I recall correctly, it's around 35-37k on Patreon, probably one of the highest (if not "the". Breeding Season got the record back at their day).
He's a celebrity on the Furry fandom (he even got invited some time ago to a Furry-Con, for non-porn reasons.). Also, I've seen some old work of him on other games, the one I remember mostly it's an old slave (Aeris) for Slavemaker.
Out of text-furry games, I don't thinks he's widely know for what he does, but seems to be recognized as a furry-developer, even from devs of games completely different. Basically, "name rings a bell" at least.
Aside of his own "rep", he also has merchandising (which might expand his horizons), and there's also a sort of porn-games convention or the like, which he attended some time ago.
Also, he does roam around and look for other games, making reviews, which also not only attracts people, but makes "his people" look for other things (not always for the good. His forum's fanbase is mostly composed of an obnoxious mob of sour trolls, which tend to poison other forums and places. As they did with Lilith's Throne blog, to the point of trolling just for the sake of it, including Innoxia herself)
I know, not exactly what you mean, but those are the tidbits I got around, in case it serves for anything.
The market it's (of course) very wide, and there isn't a specific demographic-census made.
Seems like the two main types are graphic vs text, and the the branches being the fetishes and kinks, and fast-playing vs heavy-background (that aside the obvious difference of oriental/occidental games, of course)
It's very hard to pinpoint numbers, since Patreon (for example) has variable numbers: it might be just half a dozen high-cash Patreons and a handful of little ones, or thousands of little ones.
Could be interesting to have a poll in this forum, to have at least a local measure.
So, basically, I was just having trouble staying on-topic, as usual.
Bah!
It's an almost dead thread, from a thopic that doesn't gives much to talk. At least derailing about this it's interesting
If anything, my biggest real complaint so far--and it's a bizarre one for a text game, I know--is that it's just too damn wordy. I think I got off on the wrong foot with this one, and the world-building for this one just hasn't done it for me, which is why I'm holding off on rating it. I want to try it again from the start to give it a fair shake, when I'm in less of a "don't want to read all this crap" mood. I think I might skip the prologue next time.
Really?
I actually find it... "light-readable", compared to any of Fenoxo's games (CoC2 it's by far the worst. Seriously, it's so dense and uninteresting/uninspired, that I didn't even bothered reading the sex scenes, just the last lines in case I needed to do something).
LT almost feels like... dunno, there's a sort of "cuteness" or "good vibes" around, and it's because the game, despite the thematic, feels very friendly.
The text and dialog is nowhere near as dense as CoC/TiTs. Granted, the intros are always tedious (but that's our fault), but even so, the story and texts are always straight to the point. If anything, it feels simplistic, or even naive at some points, but -at least for me- that's a bonus.
I don't see the need to read 5 pages or 20k words of a simple missionary fuck, or the over-description with two dozen adjetives for a cock being held.
...and daaaamn that was a wall text *blush*