VN Ren'Py Giant Guardians [v0.3.77] [Giant Guardians]

[Chivalry/Honor]

The existence of no man's land called "neutral territories" in the first place is one of Orphelith's biggest crimes. If the status quo wasn't being enforced by Orphelith, the "neutral territories" would have become parts of kingdoms, and enjoyed law enforcement.
Or, what is much more likely, the "neutral territories" WERE parts of the kingdoms, but then were annexed by Orphelith and turned into lawless hellscape they are now.

And I don't even have to come up with arguments for the latter theory. Literally most armed conflicts in the last 50 years that were "solved" by UN intervention - were by creating the no man's land demilitarized zones, stalling the conflicts indefinitely and letting those wars smoulder forever. Just like "neutral territories" in GG.

Yeah...

-From treating The Neutral Territories as a buffer for when kingdoms go to war, subjecting their citizenry to the marching armies of the kingdoms while refuges have more time to evacuate;
-Showing a callous disregard for the lives of The Neutral Territory people, saying that she'd have killed'em all if there weren't any innocent people there.

-Thinking and making it seem like it's entirely made of lawless, criminal and mostly anarchic land of evil-doers, while other stories like Croixelle and Naya's make it clear its not the case. Some of those people are innocents or people driven out of the Kingdoms thanks to its harsh laws(Kive's story demonstrates how damaging they can be in regards to her mom) and insufficient lively hoods.

-Refusing to prosecute any wandering giantess for rampaging and murdering The Neutral Territories people for the sake of political expediency, leaving the judgements at the hands of the giantesses respective kingdom, which is something none of them have any reason to do so, thereby giving her tacit approval while washing her hands off entirely.

-Refusing to hold her agents accountable to Timfalme's laws whenever they venture out into Neutral Territory, giving them permission to behave in a similar manner to Kendra against hostile criminals.

Orpelith is someone who, in the process of trying to create peace and enforce a stable status quo, has lost touch with her humanity, choosing to disregard morality for the sake of political expediancy. Her treatment of the Neutral Territories is not just saying its 'not her problem' and leaving it at that. They are treated as expendable fodder in her eyes, a release valve for the conflict in the five kingdoms.

 

[Mechanicus N173]

(From treating The Neutral Territories as a buffer for when kingdoms go to war, subjecting their citizenry to the marching armies of the kingdoms while refuges have more time to evacuate)
It's not the Queen's fault that the neutral territories are full of people. It is literally said that they are mostly criminals of the worst kind.
(literally are those whose lowest crime is murder.)
And yes, I also know that there are innocent people; such as those who are engaged in resource extraction, as well as those who are afraid of giants.
(I have always wondered why there are no cities in the kingdoms exclusively for little ones)
but it is a risk that they themselves took knowing the situation there.

(Showing a callous disregard for the lives of The Neutral Territory people, saying that she'd have killed'em all if there weren't any innocent people there)
It does not show contempt because they live in neutral territory, but because it is mostly criminals who live in those territories.

(Thinking and making it seem like it's entirely made of lawless, criminal and mostly anarchic land of evil-doers, while other stories like Croixelle and Naya's make it clear its not the case. Some of those people are innocents or people driven out of the Kingdoms thanks to its harsh laws(Kive's story demonstrates how damaging they can be in regards to her mom) and insufficient lively hoods)
The queen herself says that there are innocent people in the neutral territories and she never makes it seem as if only bad people live there. in fact that's why she says she doesn't annihilate them, because she knows there are innocents. Besides how can you say harsh laws when they locked up Kive's mother for murder?

(Refusing to prosecute any wandering giantess for rampaging and murdering The Neutral Territories people for the sake of political expediency, leaving the judgements at the hands of the giantesses respective kingdom, which is something none of them have any reason to do so, thereby giving her tacit approval while washing her hands off entirely)
True, but I wouldn't stick my hand in if someone killed the giantess in neutral territory either.

(Refusing to hold her agents accountable to Timfalme's laws whenever they venture out into Neutral Territory, giving them permission to behave in a similar manner to Kendra against hostile criminals)
well... yes, but that's how laws work, isn't it?
but also that's not over thinking Sheina's words, maybe it was just a threat. besides I don't think Timfale's soldiers go around the neutral territories acting like USA, Russia or the former British empire.

(Orpelith is someone who, in the process of trying to create peace and enforce a stable status quo, has lost touch with her humanity, choosing to disregard morality for the sake of political expediancy. Her treatment of the Neutral Territories is not just saying its 'not her problem' and leaving it at that. They are treated as expendable fodder in her eyes, a release valve for the conflict in the five kingdoms)
Orpelith is first and foremost the queen of Timfale, obviously she will act first for her kingdom rather than for third parties. She acts out of political expediency knowing that she has several people behind her to watch out for. If she acted as you want her to act, she would end up starting the very wars she wants to avoid. just look at how the conflict between Licalis and Virindice is starting and that there is possibly a hand behind starting that conflict. besides it is not the queen's fault the presence of innocent people in those kingdoms. Yes, she has problems that provoke those situations, but blaming her alone is not fair knowing the immensity of how problems are provoked.

Also, if you want to hate the queen there are other ways like:
-she's human?
-No
-Then there is nothing to talk about

 

[Sr.Nobody14]

Against every single fiber on my being I did Kive's route yesterday, telling Margarita she wasn't the one for me really broke my heart *sigh* stupid route

That ending is good, after all you are not cheating on her, when I talked to Kive she told us that we are special to her for the fact of not being... a jerk... that made my heart happy, and Margarita's interpretation of destiny is even deeper in this route... seriously how beautiful

 

[Sr.Nobody14]

LOL why? Naya 100% represents most citizens of her country. Have you seen how all the other giantess and even most tinies act? It's Madea who's the oddball in the beast kingdom. Naya represents her people well while Madea is a good second in command whose support is esential for diplomacy.

Yes, Naya represents her people well... A WILD ONE... they are not aware of the politics or the law that are transcendental for foreign relations. SHE HERSELF SAYS THAT SHE DOES NOT FEEL QUALIFIED, she recognizes it and it is fine, she did not ask to be born with that weight, but even so she is trying to do everything possible to keep things under control (being a beast it is difficult). I loved that background of Naya. 8/10

 

[Sr.Nobody14]

I used to think I had to be unfaithful with Margarita to be with Kive because I used a gallery unlocker on Kive's route... I misinterpreted everything XD

you can get into Kives route without cheating on marg and get a special dialogue. Ignore all her advances and when she asks If you don't find her attractive reply with:
"You're Beautifull Kive, but doing that would hurt margarita"

And then when she askes "But what are your feelings towards her? Do you love her?"
Reply with "I don't Know"

This unlocks an option in the pazuri scene where you can ask marg to stop and you break off the relationship while still being friends. Then you start the Kive route.

I used to think I had to be unfaithful with Margarita to be with Kive because I used a gallery unlocker on Kive's route... I misinterpreted everything XD

 

[Ppiopoopo]

Couega para android

 

[YouShallNotLol]

(From treating The Neutral Territories as a buffer for when kingdoms go to war, subjecting their citizenry to the marching armies of the kingdoms while refuges have more time to evacuate)
It's not the Queen's fault that the neutral territories are full of people. It is literally said that they are mostly criminals of the worst kind.
(literally are those whose lowest crime is murder.)
And yes, I also know that there are innocent people; such as those who are engaged in resource extraction, as well as those who are afraid of giants.
(I have always wondered why there are no cities in the kingdoms exclusively for little ones)
but it is a risk that they themselves took knowing the situation there.

(Showing a callous disregard for the lives of The Neutral Territory people, saying that she'd have killed'em all if there weren't any innocent people there)
It does not show contempt because they live in neutral territory, but because it is mostly criminals who live in those territories.

(Thinking and making it seem like it's entirely made of lawless, criminal and mostly anarchic land of evil-doers, while other stories like Croixelle and Naya's make it clear its not the case. Some of those people are innocents or people driven out of the Kingdoms thanks to its harsh laws(Kive's story demonstrates how damaging they can be in regards to her mom) and insufficient lively hoods)
The queen herself says that there are innocent people in the neutral territories and she never makes it seem as if only bad people live there. in fact that's why she says she doesn't annihilate them, because she knows there are innocents. Besides how can you say harsh laws when they locked up Kive's mother for murder?

(Refusing to prosecute any wandering giantess for rampaging and murdering The Neutral Territories people for the sake of political expediency, leaving the judgements at the hands of the giantesses respective kingdom, which is something none of them have any reason to do so, thereby giving her tacit approval while washing her hands off entirely)
True, but I wouldn't stick my hand in if someone killed the giantess in neutral territory either.

(Refusing to hold her agents accountable to Timfalme's laws whenever they venture out into Neutral Territory, giving them permission to behave in a similar manner to Kendra against hostile criminals)
well... yes, but that's how laws work, isn't it?
but also that's not over thinking Sheina's words, maybe it was just a threat. besides I don't think Timfale's soldiers go around the neutral territories acting like USA, Russia or the former British empire.

(Orpelith is someone who, in the process of trying to create peace and enforce a stable status quo, has lost touch with her humanity, choosing to disregard morality for the sake of political expediancy. Her treatment of the Neutral Territories is not just saying its 'not her problem' and leaving it at that. They are treated as expendable fodder in her eyes, a release valve for the conflict in the five kingdoms)
Orpelith is first and foremost the queen of Timfale, obviously she will act first for her kingdom rather than for third parties. She acts out of political expediency knowing that she has several people behind her to watch out for. If she acted as you want her to act, she would end up starting the very wars she wants to avoid. just look at how the conflict between Licalis and Virindice is starting and that there is possibly a hand behind starting that conflict. besides it is not the queen's fault the presence of innocent people in those kingdoms. Yes, she has problems that provoke those situations, but blaming her alone is not fair knowing the immensity of how problems are provoked.

Also, if you want to hate the queen there are other ways like:
-she's human?
-No
-Then there is nothing to talk about
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My two cents about the "they are mostly criminals of the worst kind" claim:


A certain political organization in 20th century had claimed that jews and slavs were sub-human scum. Just like Orphelith and Sheina do about neutral territories inhabitants.
The fact that the aforementioned political organization was in control of an entire nation is not reason enough to believe their claims as truth.

 

[Chivalry/Honor]

My two cents about the "they are mostly criminals of the worst kind" claim:
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A certain political organization in 20th century had claimed that jews and slavs were sub-human scum. Just like Orphelith and Sheina do about neutral territories inhabitants.
The fact that the aforementioned political organization was in control of an entire nation is not reason enough to believe their claims as truth.

Uhm, can you elaborate on the matter with Orpelith?

 

[Mechanicus N173]

My two cents about the "they are mostly criminals of the worst kind" claim:
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A certain political organization in 20th century had claimed that jews and slavs were sub-human scum. Just like Orphelith and Sheina do about neutral territories inhabitants.
The fact that the aforementioned political organization was in control of an entire nation is not reason enough to believe their claims as truth.

I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that the queen is propagandizing against the neutral territories.
She literally says that there are also innocent people in her first appearance.

They almost make Timfale look like a place out of the book 1984.

¿ademas estas comparando a las gente del territorio neutral con los judios y el Holocausto?

Me sorprende como llegamos a esto
en una pagina para descargar juegos porno XD

 

[Sr.Nobody14]

No entiendo cómo llegaste a la conclusión de que la reina se está propagando contra los territorios neutrales.
Ella literalmente dice que también hay personas inocentes en su primera aparición.

Casi hacen que Timfale parezca un lugar del libro de 1984.

¿además estas comparando a las gente del territorio neutral con los judíos y el Holocausto?

Me sorprende como llegamos a esto
en una página para descargar juegos porno XD
[/CITA]
amigo...es mucho mas que porno...muy pocas obras hacen que la gente tenga este tipo de discusiones.
hay que disfrutarlo...no?

 

[Mechanicus N173]

Y yo cuando dije que era malo?​

 

[Sr.Nobody14]

Y yo cuando dije que era malo?​

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[Dreamer44]

...What are you people discussing?

Because I think there are some misunderstandings.

 

[Chivalry/Honor]

...What are you people discussing?

Because I think there are some misunderstandings.

How Orpelith is a pragmatic ruler that ultimatly lost sight of her humanity. And how her desire for peace on Lamidania came at the cost of The Neutral Territories's people, being treated as expendable fodder in the conflicts between kingdoms and at the hands of her agents. Geo-political theory in short.

 

[Dreamer44]

How Orpelith is a pragmatic ruler that ultimatly lost sight of her humanity. And how her desire for peace on Lamidania came at the cost of The Neutral Territories's people, being treated as expendable fodder in the conflicts between kingdoms and at the hands of her agents. Geo-political theory in short.

I don't see the issue people have with the neutral territories.

Buffer zones between kingdoms; since they are lawless and technically under no jurisdiction, criminals escape there to avoid punishment. Civilians also move there for x reasons.

What's the issue there?

 

[Chivalry/Honor]

I don't see the issue people have with the neutral territories.

Buffer zones between kingdoms; since they are lawless and technically under no jurisdiction, criminals escape there to avoid punishment. Civilians also move there for x reasons.

What's the issue there?

That Orpelith doesn't care who gets hurt as long as she can wash her hands clean of the mess and avoid responsability? That she's responsible for some of the conditions that result in grevious harm to people of her kingdom, not only by driving people to Neutral Territory, but also continuing to allow harm to come to them without even trying to stop it?

 

[Creeperboy]

guys let's get one thing through our thick skulls, they end up in neutral territory either because they were exiled by their previous kingdoms (which means they're criminals) or, more often than not, because they CHOSE to go and stay in neutral territory, for whatever reason it may be. literally everybody knows that in neutral territory there's only "rule no.1: there are no rules", it's part of the freaking deal and they still go with it.
it's beyond common knowledge, it's common sense at this point.

i would say that it's Orphelit's fault if she forced people to go in neutral territory and told them that it's not dangerous, but we all know that that is not the case.

so yeah, that's on them, end of the story

 

[Durpi]

That Orpelith doesn't care who gets hurt as long as she can wash her hands clean of the mess and avoid responsability? That she's responsible for some of the conditions that result in grevious harm to people of her kingdom, not only by driving people to Neutral Territory, but also continuing to allow harm to come to them without even trying to stop it?

Why is she responsible if people don't want to live in any of those Kingdoms? It's not like people living there are innocent outcasts that are banished. Living in the buffer zones is a choice. I have the feeling that you all overestimate the influence the queen has other the other kingdoms. She has a lot of soft power but if she oversteps and the other nations start to rebel, things could become real ugly for everyone. And her first priority lies with the safety of her own citizens and kingdom before anything else.

 

[Ranma]

My take is that the Kingdoms in GG are essentially living in a period equivalent to the Cold War.
Queen Orphelith, being the wise and experienced ruler, is doing her best to keep the Nukes (read: Giantesses) from launching.
The fact that each Kingdom possesses these Weapons of Mass Destruction (read: Giantesses) is the only reason that all-out Nuclear War hasn't yet happened.
And she's been doing a balancing act of trying to appease all of the chief Atomic Bombs (read: Giantesses) as best as she can lest they explode in revolt.
By employing a Nuclear Deterrence Strategy, Queen Orphelith has been avoiding/delaying the Nuclear Fallout as much as possible, which would inevitably lead to extremely high tiny casualties, both inside and outside the Kingdoms.

 

[Sr.Nobody14]

My take is that the Kingdoms in GG are essentially living in a period equivalent to the Cold War.
Queen Orphelith, being the wise and experienced ruler, is doing her best to keep the Nukes (read: Giantesses) from launching.
The fact that each Kingdom possesses these Weapons of Mass Destruction (read: Giantesses) is the only reason that all-out Nuclear War hasn't yet happened.
And she's been doing a balancing act of trying to appease all of the chief Atomic Bombs (read: Giantesses) as best as she can lest they explode in revolt.
By employing a Nuclear Deterrence Strategy, Queen Orphelith has been avoiding/delaying the Nuclear Fallout as much as possible, which would inevitably lead to extremely high tiny casualties, both inside and outside the Kingdoms.

First of all: MERRY CHRISTMAS / FELIZ NAVIDAD!! Now, the Cold War thing is very well laid out. Homernia would be like the Soviet Union or some other strong opponent (Yakuu's latest update confirms this, using the princess as a scapegoat for one of his plans... malevolent)